could you put your mind in a golem


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is it possable to put your mind or soul into a golem


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Yes, if only the government would approve my grant.

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Quite. Soulbound doll would be the quintessential example, but there're also some more advanced "soulbound" creatures. I like the Soulbound Shell.

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lord of rabbits wrote:
is it possable to put your mind or soul into a golem

That's up to your GM, but if it actually happened to you in real life, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't enjoy it very much. So why should your character want to?

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LazarX wrote:


That's up to your GM, but if it actually happened to you in real life, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't enjoy it very much. So why should your character want to?

That's making a rather core assumption, don't you think? There are many factors as to why someone would "enjoy" it, as well as many reasons why one would tolerate it if it were uncomfortable. Assuming that it is uncomfortable.

I can envision a story in which this would end up poorly. (I've read my fair share of science fiction) But given the genre we're talking about is fantasy, there's room for stories where this isn't by default an unwise decision.


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I made a wizard with a shield guardian once. He enchanted the guardian's attuned amulet to be an intelligent magical item, essentially giving the golem autonomous intelligence (since the amulet could control the body).

Perhaps you could do something similar?

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aptinuviel wrote:
LazarX wrote:


That's up to your GM, but if it actually happened to you in real life, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't enjoy it very much. So why should your character want to?

That's making a rather core assumption, don't you think? There are many factors as to why someone would "enjoy" it, as well as many reasons why one would tolerate it if it were uncomfortable. Assuming that it is uncomfortable.

I can envision a story in which this would end up poorly. (I've read my fair share of science fiction) But given the genre we're talking about is fantasy, there's room for stories where this isn't by default an unwise decision.

Remember how pissed off Xykon was when he found out that as a lich, you can't drink coffee?


I created an android for a campaign (originally GURPS, but I converted her to Pathfinder) that is just this. She is a robot AI created from a living mind (the involuntary upload process killed her though, something she is very much aware of and affects how she thinks of herself.)

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LazarX wrote:


Remember how pissed off Xykon was when he found out that as a lich, you can't drink coffee?

Do you remember how happy that paraplegic was to pretend to drink coffee? No? Perhaps that'd be an interesting story to tell then.

I'm not saying there are no stories in which being placed within a golem would be bad. (In fact, I stated the exact opposite.) I'm saying that there are stories that may exist in which it not only could be okay, but beneficial. And it doesn't even take the extreme example above. Perhaps being a golem *doesn't* come with all the downsides you're assuming in this story. Because, why not?


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My quintessential example of why my 99% should absolutely hate it is Alphone Elric of Full Metal Alchemist. Sure, it occasionally had upsides to being a suit of armor. But he couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, couldn't feel (touch sensation).

While there might be some twisted people who believe the benefits outweigh the negatives, or some short sighted people who think that the negatives wont be that bad...I think ultimately you'd end up with a lot of people who were shells of their former selves.

However, if were talking mechanics here you can probably achieve something like what you want. At the very least the technology guide offers clone pods and neruocams. You can grow a body and implant your mind into it. Getting it uploaded to an actual construct may be a little more difficult, though it seems reasonable you could upload your body to an advanced enough robot, which is a type of construct.


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Golems are never going to give me peace of mind, I'm telling you they are trouble! Run them out of town, they have no place among ordinary folk.


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Given the number of cultures willing to embrace mummification as a means to produce eternal guardians for tombs, you'd think soulbound guardians would get some play, if only for being less smelly.


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Morzadian wrote:
Golems are never going to give me peace of mind, I'm telling you they are trouble! Run them out of town, they have no place among ordinary folk.

*Looks up at his towering shield guardian*

"Good luck with that."


The lack of tactile sensitivity in most golems would likely drive the 'rider' within insane rather quickly, making a flesh golem the most attractive option.

Having said that it could be pretty cool, especially if the golem is a receptacle for something analogous to astral projection or magic jar. Expensive as all get out ... but cool.


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The short answer is yes (at least one notable NPC on Golarion has made the attempt).

Long answer is, I'd imagine it would be possible to do so a couple of different ways:

1) Magical soul transfer. The Shabti are an example of this, as are the Soulbound Dolls.
2) Mind meld. This could be interesting, and a good question might be- does the melder take control over the construct, or do they have to battle for control (or even become a subservient personality)?
3) Brain in a jar. Make a construct, and then preserve your brain in it. The construct would still be its own semi-sentient self, with full control, but the brain would be an "on-board" advisor commanding the construct.


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lord of rabbits wrote:
is it possable to put your mind or soul into a golem

"This is how villains are made, or so I heard. Do go on with your plain however, I would love to see how this turns out."

Gets comfy in his chair and pops some popcorn

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Am I really the first to refer to THIS?


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Could possibly work with a custom magic jar wondrous item that you install into the golem. Though, it would likely be rather dangerous if your crystal was shattered.


As an alternative, why don't you make a golem you can ride? Like your own arcane Gundam.


Typically no. You would need specific rules to allow it.


well. idk about pathfinder. but in 3.5 in the ravenloft products, there came van-richten arsanal(not sure i spell it right,i have a hard copy at home)
where part of the book talks about the "higher alchemy" including creating alchemical children (clones made from alchemy that were constructs) that with other alchemical proses(basicly one that isused on a body to 'gather" the soul from the remains) can be sued to move the spirit int othe body of one and make it the new body of that spirit.

there were two basic alchemical childern offered. one sort of standard cclone\construct (almost same as original but no con ability score and some acid imune and such) the other was an improved one that got bette atributes and also had the ability to be made with some speacial powers. like the ability to have a floid form and ooze if needed or to shapechange to look like a specific other or re-attach saverd limbs etc.

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just thought of something could I summen and outsider and trap them inside as a garden or something. and what about when crafting weapons and you die on the final day and your mind go's in to the weapon would that work here.

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This happens (after a fashion) in a published PFS scenario.

don't read if you don't want to know which one and how:
Rescue at azlant ridge. Ancient Azlanti huge iron golems, and a device that temporarily transfers a PCs consciousness to one of the golems to take control of it.


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If you don't care about how you become a construct you may wish to start gathering starmetal. Also, perhaps you recently watched an episode of an old disney show where someone did this with the Golem of Prague?


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I once had a player whos pc was a level 16 wizard the time. He was faced with a choice at some point. To remain trapped in a extradimentional prison or to transfer him self into a advanced iron golem like thing. He spend a good level as a unstoppable killing machine before he found out how to get his own body back.
If this is your own PC that want to go that way, talk it over with the GM. If you are the GM just do it. And remember the magic immunity:)

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See Also: Neverwinter Nights 2 --> Mask of the Betrayer --> Shapers & Binders, Academy of --> Poruset, Master.

Mind you, that's epic-level territory.


I always assumed being a golem was rather unpleasant considering flesh golems have that whole chance of going berserk thing. Maybe that's just because the earth elemental inside is trying to break free from its enslavement and more potent golems crush the elementals will more thoroughly.

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Bardarok wrote:
I always assumed being a golem was rather unpleasant considering flesh golems have that whole chance of going berserk thing. Maybe that's just because the earth elemental inside is trying to break free from its enslavement and more potent golems crush the elementals will more thoroughly.

I'd imagine it's unpleasant for a more basic set of reasons. Imagine you're Tony Stark. Now imagine being permanently sealed inside the Ironman armor and NEVER being able to take it off. That would kind of put a major crimp on the activities you enjoy doing.


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There's Possess Object. It won't let you put your mind into a golem, but you could put your mind into a statue that is roughly golem-shaped. You can even put your mind into a castle, seeing there's no size restriction on Possess Object. Think about it. An animated castle.

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voideternal wrote:
You can even put your mind into a castle, seeing there's no size restriction on Possess Object. Think about it. An animated castle.

Be my guest.

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This is what the Soulbound Shell is for.

voideternal - You should take a look at the Stone Colossus.

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The people saying that becoming a golem seems unpleasant: You're probably right.

But there are reasons to do it anyway.

Maybe the alternative is dying (but you're not quite evil/skilled enough to become a lich.)

Maybe your normal body has crippled or missing limbs.

Maybe you're experimenting on others.

Maybe you've gone mad and are trying to get rid of the frailties of flesh.


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voideternal wrote:
Think about it. An animated castle.

I don't have to think about it.


I guess animating a castle (or colossi) is kinda childs play given the ruleset/options of Pathfinder.

How about casting Possess Object on your planet? You could even stretch your continental plates to shape yourself roughly into a golem.


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Well, in Robocop 2, the bad unit was a druggie who liked the idea.

As to placing your brain into a golem, it is easy. Just get eaten by it. :-)

For placing your consciousness into one, that is harder. You could become a ghost and possess one.

/cevah

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Cevah wrote:

Well, in Robocop 2, the bad unit was a druggie who liked the idea.

Not really. he wasn't put in there volountarily. Also need it be mentioned that he was bat-flipping insane AND sociopathic? And even more so AFTER he was borged? He's a textbook expample of cyberpsychosis


LazarX wrote:
Cevah wrote:
Well, in Robocop 2, the bad unit was a druggie who liked the idea.
Not really. he wasn't put in there volountarily. Also need it be mentioned that he was bat-flipping insane AND sociopathic? And even more so AFTER he was borged? He's a textbook expample of cyberpsychosis

This is a problem?

/cevah


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Uh, not sure for what purpose, but you could consider reskinning, i.e. synthesist summoner.


why stop at just putting mind/brain into a giant golem? golems are freaking huge and if your a small race i am sure you could fit nicely into its chest cavity. from there you would just have to figure out how to link your thoughts to that of the golem's . if you figure that out you could just jump out when ever you get back to camp or back from patrolling the city. it would be your own personal Mech golem and they said a weak wizard could never make a great melee brawler look who is laughing now!!!


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Claxon wrote:
My quintessential example of why my 99% should absolutely hate it is Alphone Elric of Full Metal Alchemist. Sure, it occasionally had upsides to being a suit of armor. But he couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, couldn't feel (touch sensation).

For every example you can bring up of someone who hates it, I could name someone who thought it was the bees' knees. People/monsters are always getting uploaded into the internet, or into ship's computers, and refusing to get out. Voldemort and liches are quite willing to tear their souls asunder for a state that is arguably worse than putting your whole, undamaged soul into a safe metal casing.

A character mortally afraid of death would be quite happy to find a safe and non-evil means of avoiding it. Not everybody is going to break down (figuratively speaking) because they can't drink coffee anymore. Some people have different priorities.


Theconiel wrote:
Am I really the first to refer to THIS?

Or this... Doctor Who's Cybermen (New Version) They are in a constant state of pain, the only thing keeping them going is the emotion supressing chip. They feel the pain, they just don't care. Disable the chip, and the pain overwhelms them.

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