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My thought was that the scene was happening in Norway but that the nuke is, more than likely, Russian (or Soviet, given the era).

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Did the first episode come on already? I knew I was forgetting something.


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

First episode felt a bit rushed and somewhat rough, but it's a better pilot than Supergirl's and that show has turned out quite well. If it doesn't get any better I'll still watch it. Hopefully, like Flash and SG, it will improve as it gets settled into a comfortable pace.

Yeah I kind of agree. Could have really used a two hour pilot, because it strained credibility a bit that some random guy could contact a bunch of folks and tell them he was a time traveler who needed their help...without a little bit more disbelief. The Hawkfolks are pretty much the only folks who should have signed on with little hesitation, because of their connection to Vandal Savage.

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They split the pilot into two one hour segments although I wish they hadn't done that.


MMCJawa wrote:

it strained credibility a bit that some random guy could contact a bunch of folks and tell them he was a time traveler who needed their help...without a little bit more disbelief. The Hawkfolks are pretty much the only folks who should have signed on with little hesitation, because of their connection to Vandal Savage.

Stein has always been one to eagerly jump at things he finds theoretically plausible, and I believe both he and Ray are aware of Flash's experiences with Reverse Flash, so they know time travel is a thing. Sara may be as well, secondhand through Ollie.


So, good and bad...

I liked

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...the real explanation foy why those eight had been chosen. I never accepted the "You're LEGENDS" BS, and it strained credibility to the breaking point that of all the people who have ever lived, these eight were somehow ideally suited to dealing with the problem.

...Sara's point that they're only inconsequential nobodies in Hunter's future, which they're specifically out to change.

...Boardman being the Hawks' son. It not only gave a reason for someone to have made a lifelong study of Vandal Savage, but noted that the Hawks haven't been coming together and immediately being killed time after time; they've led lives and had families. I don't think this was ever considered in any comics version of them.

I didn't like

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...the use of Chronos as a name. Yes, the show is about time travel. We get it.

...the idea that he can look at a wristwatch, immediately determine that two bystanders -- and all their possible descendants -- are unimportant to the timeline.

...that those bystanders were executed on the spot. What's his protocol if someone who sees him is important to the timeline?

...the fact that all eight of them couldn't beat Chronos, only (barely) escape from him. Yes, they're new as a team, but few of them are completely inexperienced on their own. Savage is going to eat this bunch alive.

There's something I don't get about the whole premise of combatting Savage throughout time: they can choose a point in time where they believe him to be relatively weak and hit him there, and will fail because if they succeeded the first time out there would be no show. So far, so good.

Now, if they hit him again at any point after that, he'll know about them ahead of time and will have prepared for them. Realistically their only option is to keep going farther back in time, so that they gain experience against him but he's taken by surprise every time. Unfortunately, the earlier they encounter him in the timeline, the greater the chance they'll create big ripples. So as they mitigate one danger, they increase another.

I didn't get the impression any of that would be happening. Seems like they'll be jumping more or less randomly (from the audience's viewpoint) back and forth in time.

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Having watched the fight with Cronos (sp?), it's not that the new team couldn't beat him. They could have, through overwhelming firepower and numbers. They had a wounded civilian with them that needed medical attention, and Hunter wanted to get out of there before the Waverider sustained even more damage (thus potentially stranding them in 1975), so they got the flock out of there (good call on his part).

And I suspect that if his mission had been sanctioned by the Time Masters, he could have gone to a particular point in time to effectively deal with Savage. But he's not sanctioned, so the whole time jumping thing may be a means to avoid detection from his former employers, provided they don't linger in a period too long.

I think the show is off to a good start with this episode, though we still have the second half of the pilot to watch. I particularly like that Hunter said that time itself would be their biggest adversary, so I'm excited to see how that plays out in future episodes.

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I'm still hoping Booster Gold shows up.

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Damon Griffin wrote:

So, good and bad...

I liked
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I didn't like

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There's something I don't get about the whole premise of combatting Savage throughout time: they can choose a point in time where they believe him to be relatively weak and hit him there, and will fail because if they succeeded the first time out there would be no show. So far, so good.

Now, if they hit him again at any point after that, he'll know about them ahead of time and will have prepared for them. Realistically their only option is to keep going farther back in time, so that they gain experience against him but he's taken by surprise every time. Unfortunately, the...

Wristwatch stuff:
Maybe, since he's a time traveler, he just saves those 2 dudes' IDs, does a bunch of research later, then he gives himself the answers about him in the past.

Like when Bill and Ted tell their future selves to hide that whatever behind the couch in the past so their present selves can have it.

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Also, that actor playing Rip Hunter/Rory Pond is gonna be type-cast as a time traveler.

It's weird watching him trying to not be The Doctor, or The Doctor, or The Doctor, or The Doctor, or Captain Jack Harkness.

:-P

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I'm liking this


Krensky wrote:
I'm still hoping Booster Gold shows up.

Oh, agreed!

:::hums I'm my own grandpa:::


They really should have aired this episode last week. Things work a lot better as one long episode than two normal ones. I am quite enjoying this show. If it keeps up like this it will easily blow Arrow out of the water, probably Supergirl and might actually challenge Flash. Not sure if it will do anything to Agent Carter.
Dahrk's cameo was entertaining.

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Stephen Amell dropped this bombshell. CAN'T WAIT


Hama wrote:
Stephen Amell dropped this bombshell. CAN'T WAIT

YAY! Now all he needs is

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the silly Robin Hood hat!
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Spiral_Ninja wrote:
Hama wrote:
Stephen Amell dropped this bombshell. CAN'T WAIT

YAY! Now all he needs is ** spoiler omitted **

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And the arrow jet and arrow car and arrow boat and arrow...

Krensky wrote:
Spiral_Ninja wrote:
Hama wrote:
Stephen Amell dropped this bombshell. CAN'T WAIT

YAY! Now all he needs is ** spoiler omitted **

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Damon Griffin wrote:

I didn't like

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To be fair, he IS s based on e comic book supervillain of the same name, time-travelling and manipulating supervillain David Clinton aka Chronos, arch-nemesis of Atom. And oh boy that's a upgrade on his comics costume.

I really liked these first two episodes. It's fun superhero action with lot of fun characters. They function in battle a bit too well together, but what the hell.

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But oh man, I did NOT see Hawkman's death coming.

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Rosgakori wrote:
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I won't miss the guy, and I kind of wish she'd had something different to say at his death than 'Oh, I suddenly remembered loving him all those other lifetimes and I never got to tell him!' He was a condescending controlling overbearing ass to her, most of the time, and curmudgeonly me would laugh to hear her say, 'After 206 lifetimes of falling in love with that schmuck and then getting murdered, maybe it's time I have a life all to myself... Catch you on the reboot Carter.'

White Canary seemed, to me, super out of character this episode (not that I don't prefer that to where they could have taken her, retreading Thea's 'came back wrong' arc). She acted more like the Sara who got on the boat with Oliver all those years ago, than the Sara who came back as a League assassin (to say nothing of the Sara who leaped out of a Lazarus Pit!). Apparently, whatever Thea's maladjustment 'murder addiction' thing was after being Lazurus'd didn't affect Sara nearly as much... She came back to party!

Rip's failing to interest me yet, as a character. I suspect that the rest of the team, with the artificially intelligent time-ship, Gideon/Waverider, handling the inevitable time-travel-Treknobabble/rulesposition, would make for a leaner cast.

I blame Guardians of the Galaxy for ruining the 'dead wife and child-as-motivation' trope for me. Rip mentions how Vandal Savage killed his family and all I hear is Rocket saying, 'Boo hoo, my wife and child are dead. Everybody's got dead people! That's no excuse to get everybody else dead, too!'

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Dude, Sara was high as a kite during this episode.

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Set wrote:
Rosgakori wrote:
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White Canary seemed, to me, super out of character this episode (not that I don't prefer that to where they could have taken her, retreading Thea's 'came back wrong' arc). She acted more like the Sara who got on the boat with Oliver all those years ago, than the Sara who came back as a League assassin (to say nothing of the Sara who leaped out of a Lazarus Pit!). Apparently, whatever Thea's maladjustment 'murder addiction' thing was after being Lazurus'd didn't affect Sara nearly as much... She came back to party!

Rip's failing to interest me yet, as a character. I suspect that the rest of the team, with the artificially intelligent time-ship, Gideon/Waverider, handling the inevitable time-travel-Treknobabble/rulesposition, would make for a leaner cast.

I blame Guardians of the Galaxy for ruining the 'dead wife and child-as-motivation' trope for me. Rip mentions how Vandal Savage killed his family and all I hear is Rocket saying, 'Boo hoo, my wife and child are dead. Everybody's got dead people! That's no excuse to get everybody else dead, too!'

Don't forget Constantine worked his mojo on Sara, where he didn't get to with Thea. Also Thea's bloodlust abated for a while after Dhark tried to whammy her.

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Really big spoiler question:

Is Hawkman really dead? Or just comic book dead? Or just cryogenically frozen and we'll thaw him out next episode dead?

I was kind of distracted when I was watching it.

That dude who played the younger version of the professor dude did a good job of copying him.

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SmiloDan wrote:
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Dead dead. The showedge Savage absorbing him.

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Of course, all they have to do is pick up a new version of him out of the timestream somewhere. There's over 200 others. Hopefully, a less annoying one.

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OK, thanks.


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The show isn't really grabbing me so far.

At least they

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got rid of the obnoxious dead-weight that was Hawkbro. Hopefully it sticks.


I just couldn't get into it. I was bored the whole time, and I had high hopes for it. I've yet to watch the second episode; it's just taking up space on the DVR. I can't bring myself to sit down and view it.


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The second episode is superior to the first. Stuff actually HAPPENS.

They really should have aired both parts on the same night, since they really don't work as standalone episodes.


Marik Whiterose wrote:
Set wrote:
Rosgakori wrote:
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White Canary seemed, to me, super out of character this episode (not that I don't prefer that to where they could have taken her, retreading Thea's 'came back wrong' arc). She acted more like the Sara who got on the boat with Oliver all those years ago, than the Sara who came back as a League assassin (to say nothing of the Sara who leaped out of a Lazarus Pit!). Apparently, whatever Thea's maladjustment 'murder addiction' thing was after being Lazurus'd didn't affect Sara nearly as much... She came back to party!

Rip's failing to interest me yet, as a character. I suspect that the rest of the team, with the artificially intelligent time-ship, Gideon/Waverider, handling the inevitable time-travel-Treknobabble/rulesposition, would make for a leaner cast.

I blame Guardians of the Galaxy for ruining the 'dead wife and child-as-motivation' trope for me. Rip mentions how Vandal Savage killed his family and all I hear is Rocket saying, 'Boo hoo, my wife and child are dead. Everybody's got dead people! That's no excuse to get everybody else dead, too!'

Don't forget Constantine worked his mojo on Sara, where he didn't get to with Thea. Also Thea's bloodlust abated for a while after Dhark tried to whammy her.

Not to mention the symptoms go away when Thea murders dudes, but Thea has a conscious preventing her from doing it. Canary has fun murdering b#&+@es all show.


Oh... Ma... God

Ma Hunkel is coming to TV

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Greylurker wrote:

Oh... Ma... God

Ma Hunkel is coming to TV

I know! It's like someone broke the seventh seal, and the apocalypse is *awesome.*


So... Why did the time masters allow Hunter to stop Vandal Savage but won't do the same to other genocidal world leaders, such as Hitler, Stalin or Genghis Khan?

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They didn't.


Krensky wrote:
They didn't.

Did I miss something? Did they not allow him to go back in time and stop Savage?


Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
They didn't.
Did I miss something? Did they not allow him to go back in time and stop Savage?

The bounty hunter sent back by the other Time Lords Masters to murder their faces suggests no.


Sundakan wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
They didn't.
Did I miss something? Did they not allow him to go back in time and stop Savage?
The bounty hunter sent back by the other Time Lords Masters to murder their faces suggests no.

Ah... I missed the part where he tells who sent him... I had to multitask during the episode... Gotta rewatch it later.

That said, I really don't like time travel stories... Hopefully this show will be one of the few exceptions... They did make like Barry Allen, after all.


Lemmy wrote:
I missed the part where he tells who sent him... I had to multitask during the episode... Gotta rewatch it later.

Hunter petitioned the Time Masters, they said "No" and he went anyway. Telling his recruits he was sent to stop Savage was one of the lies he told them to get them on board.


Yeah, Hunter fed the other characters a complete line of bull about the mission, beyond the "Dark Future" and the death of his family.

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Rip Hunter lies.

A lot.

About a lot of things.

Just look at what he did to his father.

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I really liked this episode. Great start post-pilot. Good moments for all of the characters, and the beginnings of them coming together as a team, as well as the fact that they clearly aren't there yet.

Also, confirmation that the Arrowverse does have Batman and Superman!


JoelF847 wrote:
Also, confirmation that the Arrowverse does have Batman and Superman!

Or did before Hunter started messing with time, anyway. :)

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I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall...


Could it be "Because of my incompetent meddling I've caused men of steel to die and dark knights to fall?"

Nah, not serious.


Troodos wrote:

This could be a chance to bring in DC characters from other times: Jonah Hex, the Demon Knights, the Justice Society etc.

Also, may I say this: THE LAST CENTURION WILL NEVER DIE

I heard they are going to meet Jonah Hex.


Damon Griffin wrote:
Well, they do have a Time Master on board. Pulling Sara out of the time stream before she was killed would cause continuity problems, but she could be dug up only hours after being buried. The question then becomes, does the Lazarus Pit work after you've been embalmed?

She was never embalmed.

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I still continue to enjoy this series greatly. Caspar Crumb is a great as Vandal Savage, and he is a blast every time.

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Captain Cold part was good, and showed again Miller's great acting skills. I really liked how he interacted with his youngers elf and with his father again.

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I get why they didn't go with Savage being a neanderthal. Too much makeup.


I thought he was a Cro-Magnon, that's the same as modern humans

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Hama wrote:
I get why they didn't go with Savage being a neanderthal. Too much makeup.

They didn't go with him being a Neanderthal because he is a Cro-Magnon.

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