Has to at least be two nice souls otherwise the heads fight over it.
Nah. I'm sure one 20th level paladin is enough for Demorgorgon.
I just don't think he shows up for every single soul.
Maybe she ran out of replication stuff. I dunno.
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Maybe they fund her power supply?
Honestly, I missed how the Time Bureau became an actual contemporary federal agency at all (don't bother explaining now, in a way I'd rather not know), and I've just been rolling with it.
Anything that makes fun of Hemingway is a good episode in my book. The kaiju episode prior was also awesome (if Gail Simone ever watched tv, she would have loved it).
Yeah gotta agree. I don't mind the dynamic they're doing with the Time Bureau... or even that it's funded by a government, but I'd rather it was based out of like 2350 or 4245. Time Travel should be based in the future or it just feels weird.
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Regardless, I think funding aside, the fact that the Time Bureau went from faceless drones that blockaded the way for the Legends to do their job, to being helpful assistants, makes them more interesting.
Bjorn,
I'm very much familiar with Neron since I kind of grew up in the 90s when they were revamping some of the DC villains along with other stuff. That and there was a pretty interesting Pre-Flashpoint Post-Final Crisis storyline involving him, Lord Satanus and Lady Blaze.
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Jumping from the Arrow thread with a LoT related thought;
Thomas Seitz wrote: A fully powered Firestorm wouldn't have made things easy because it's a show about TIME TRAVEL, not altering structures.
Having Firestorm take the role of the clothing / costume and food generator for the Legends, and then casually mentioning after his departure how much harder it is to provision and equip for missions, would have been an interesting route to take.
It wouldn't even have required much at all of the effects budget, since we wouldn't need to actually *see* Firestorm creating the outfits (or meals) anymore than we see Gideon make them. (It usually happens off-screen anyway.)
Set,
Only one problem. Firestorm could never affect ORGANIC matter. But I do agree, that would make more sense than having a ship replicate for them.
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So uh. Yeah That lingerie piece from the Minotaur episode. You know the one. Followed by the reminder that she used to be a world class assassin. It was a good episode.
It was a good episode. I just am curious now how far gone the timeline is now thanks to John's 'fix".
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Dear CW, please let me know when I can bingewatch the Sirens series. Thank you.
(Yes I know it was intended to be a) awful b) a parody of the oughties Birds of Prey that was awful, and c) I don't care, I want it.)
How much fun did the actors have with the puppet scene?
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DQ,
I was more curious about how much fun did the guys have as the A-team.
Also I don't need a Birds of Prey when it's clear we just need World's finest with Benoist and Rose. :)
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Oh yeah, there were definitely some Charle's Angels riffs there too (particularly the films), especially with the poses. And really the BoP show WAS 2000s Charlie's Angels x superheroes. It made me think of BoP with the codenames and how their personalities were all slightly off and darker and edgier for no reason. Plus for some reason, them giving Gideon a permanent (skin tight outfit-wearing) body made me think of when the BoP executives forced the showrunners of BoP to write a plot where Barbara could get a spinal implant (something Arrow stole later) so she could walk (and wear skin-tight outfits while doing so) because they found the wheelchair "unsightly" (what they were exactly quoted as saying). BUT I could be reading way too much into that, I admit.
Gideon/hard Drive also made me think of Andromeda Ascendant.
Which, if that is possible in an alternate timeline, it is possible in the prime timeline.
Reminds me of Aya from the CG Green Lantern series.
I'm still kind of curious if Neron will get a full on display or just continue using the dead guy...
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SOOO glad LoT is back.
But WTF with AvaLance, y'all? I could see Ava's POV as far as "Hank allows us to be here, we can't turn on him just like that?" but "All I'm asking you to do is turn a blind eye to highly illegal/unethical treatment of prisoners FOR LOVE," is a bit of an unreasonable ask, and one she knew Sara was not going to agree to. Ava seemed a bit ooc just to force the breakup... or she knows/is doing something we're not aware of yet.
OMG lunch delivery girl! She shoulda just gone through the portal!
Show, please do not be setting up Zari with Nate. (They're setting up Zari with Nate, aren't they?) (As an aside though, Nate is far less unlikeable than he used to be. I've been enjoying his plotline.)
Liked the team's various shenanigans. Ray's teambuilding was hilarious.
LoT is back tonight!
Great news^^
SOOO glad LoT is back.
But WTF with AvaLance, y'all? I could see Ava's POV as far as "Hank allows us to be here, we can't turn on him just like that?" but "All I'm asking you to do is turn a blind eye to highly illegal/unethical treatment of prisoners FOR LOVE," is a bit of an unreasonable ask, and one she knew Sara was not going to agree to. Ava seemed a bit ooc just to force the breakup... or she knows/is doing something we're not aware of yet.
I could see it. After all, Sara is an Ex-league of Shadows assassin who willing hangs out with Rory of all people and her entire purpose is to be the grayest of the 'good guys'...
And I REALLY loved the line that was something like "So WHAT?? Last month you were sending them to HELL... when did we start caring about the monsters?? "
It really is pushing Sara into defining exactly who she wants to be. Is she a part of the Time bureau determined to save mankind from temporal/supernatural threats... or is she a loose cannon with a time machine who does whatever she wants, whenever she wants without regard for any authority...
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I can see why Chaotic/Neutral Good (formerly Neutral/Evil) Sara would (and has in the past) butt heads with Lawful Neutral Ava. That was how their relationship started. But they seemed to be moving past that, mostly with Ava softening a bit, but also with Sara respecting her methods. Sara made clear the recent problem with the methods--not with Ava herself, but that there was something up with Hank and the office. That Ava was entirely unwilling to hear Sara out and said, "Look I just need you to turn a blind eye or you don't love me anymore"--in other words, she showed no trust for Sara whatsoever, and was suddenly being extremely manipulative. That was what seemed OOC. (Brainstorm: what if that's a different Ava? [I know it's not though because she cried.])
The line about Hell was a good counterargument, and honestly I'd have to rewatch the earlier part of the season (which was forever ago, thanks CW and your nonsense scheduling) to remember how much they had looped in Ava post not-Amaya capture (because she's the one who pushed the Legends toward helping the creatures out). But I thought they had already all gotten on the same page that some of the Otherkind had more complex issues that wouldn't be resolved by punting them to Hell (the Unicorn and the Fairygodmother ostensibly deserved it). But it was still a deflection to the fact that Sara was suggesting some really bad stuff that Hank was using the time bureau for, and it's weird to me Ava just outright rejected it without a single moment thinking about it. She knows the Time Bureau has been manipulated before. And she knows Sara isn't going to turn a blind eye to that kind of torture/mistreatment... although IDK if Ava is aware Sara herself was a prisoner who was experimented upon once (this happened waaaaaaaay back in Arrow so many may have forgotten this)--I have a feeling Sara is taking the news of what's happening at the Bureau personally.
So Ava's either covering something up and feels unable to tell Sara about it even though she knows Sara won't like it, or she had a out of the blue face-heel turn for plot reasons.
Ava may also be be very pragmatic. The multiverse NEEDS the Time Bureau... or else it will collapse on itself. Again...
In order to keep the Bureau working, they NEED Hank Sr's money. A sketchy manipulated Time Bureau is better than no Time Bureau at all. Sara's always the kind who would tear it all down rather than go against her beliefs... but Ava doesn't have that luxury of getting on the high horse.
And besides... from her point of view, even if something bad is going on... keep the money flowing, and figure it out quietly. Don't just go rogue and (AGAIN) jeopardize EVERYTHING that ever was or will be...
Sadly this all based on the ludicrous premise that A) the Time bureau is based in 2018 in an office building funded by the government and not somewhere removed from time or somewhere in the far enough future that Tech and money aren't a problem... And B) Sara and her team weren't the worst time travelers to ever exist.
So they have to set up some goofy scenarios to make the debate 'work'... but I can see both their sides. Ava's off the rails a bit... but not COMPLETLEY OOC.
I'm glad its finally back but that was a weak episode. The Ava think seemed way too melodramatic.
If the Time Bureau works for the government, and employs former costumed heroes, why exactly didn't they 'Suicide Squad' Mayor "Green Arrow" Queen?
First of all, the Time Bureau does not employ costumed heroes as a rule (Nate is working for them because his Dad is with the Department of Defense and is funding them, not because he is a "costumed hero"). The Legends in the current plot IIRC were working in conjunction with the Time Bureau, but that is a very tenuous relationship--the last several episodes that I assume you haven't watched feature them fighting with each other (though things have ended well. Ish.).
Secondly, I have only been barely paying attention to Arrow, but last I heard he was formally working for Star City's police, and otherwise he is devoted to protecting his city and wouldn't want to leave it. I also doubt that the Time Bureau would consider him an ideal hire--he's a bit of a loose cannon, and they are very by-the-book. Finally, he'd probably want to stay out of Sara's way and let her do her thing on her own (and given the tenuous relationship they have with the Bureau, he wouldn't want to be at odds with her). If they did ask for costumed heroes' help he's probably low on their list for those whom to ask.
Also, I heard a rumor that beyond Hellblazer, there are actual metahumans on the team. With actual powers or meta-tech. More than a Red Laser Gun that sometimes sets things on fire.
I am not sure what you mean. On the Legends team? Do you watch the show?
Current lineup is Sara Lance/White Canary (no powers but a highly-skilled combatant/assassin [a Batperson-class hero]), Mick Rory/Heatwave (no powers, but a highly skilled thief with, yes, a fancy flamethrowing gun), Charlie (a shapeshifter, though her shapeshifting powers have been dampened so she can only do it sometimes), Zari (she is "Isis" but they aren't calling her that; has a mystic necklace that gives her wind control powers and she is also an expert hacker), Ray Palmer (ATOM, with the Atom Suit, expert engineer), Nate/Citizen Steel (metahuman with the ability to transform his skin to steel; also a historian), and Constantine. Nora Darkh, a magic-user, is also involved with the plot and sometimes helps the Legends. Oh, and they've just been joined by a werewolf-sort-of person, but I am not sure how long she's sticking around with the show. (Personally I hope not long, I find her really annoying.)
Not a lot of "powers," no, but some, and frankly with time travel, a lot of their skillsets can be as valuable as powers--they need people who can come up with clever solutions and be mentally adaptive to situations, not just blow s@&+ up with fancy SFX.
On the most recent episode itself... I feel like them leaving Charlie behind was an allusion to something else that I can't quite remember. Loved the road trip motif.
I don't know why Ray didn't just tell the police officer the immediate truth (apart from humor's sake) -- someone dropped a jar and it rolled under the brake. That is totally a believable thing to happen on an old RV.
Solid episode but not great. Way too many reliances on tired tropes: trying to tell someone something and the other person won't let you, innocent person trying to help dying person accused of killing them because they're standing over the body, etc. Feels like they randomly generated a bunch of standard plot devices/turns and then figured out how they could apply them to the characters to write the...
Hey guys, I think I figured out how they write this show!
I wish I cared more about Mona, but I don't. You can be a kind person and also possess common sense. She's just stupid, and is never actually made to face the consequences of her stupid decisions because somehow being cute and well meaning makes her exempt from responsibility. She never owns her own decisions or actions, she always just makes excuses and expects to be coddled.
More interested in the magic plot, Neron, and what's going to happen to Nora. And of all things the plot has finally gotten me caring about Nate. It's a good time for things starting with N, apparently.
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Fair enough, Bjorn.
No, GreenDragon, Zari is not a lesbian and was not introduced as such. Sara is bisexual (as introduced on Arrow). John Constantine is bisexual. There've been various other queer folk on the show as well. But not Zari. I believe the last person she flirted with before now was Jonah Hex.
Yes, Ray was introduced on Arrow and used to date Felicity.
IDK, the plot hasn't called for much use of their powers in the last couple eps. I honestly didn't think about it till you pointed it out, and don't really care. It hasn't been necessary, and the show only has so much budget--it's the CW, after all. *shrug*
Though I did think in the most recent ep, when Nora questioned the chair being too small for Ray to sleep in, it would be funny if he used his shrinking tech to get smaller, but the scene as it was resolved amusingly.
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Anyway. This episode. THIS. EPISODE. Jane Austen, Nora and Ray shenanigans, a seance featuring Rory as medium, AND a full blown Bollywood musical number?
I LOVE THIS SHOW.
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No, Nora!
I knew that would happen to Ray.
Okay, Mona was less annoying in the Jane Austen episode, but all redemption was lost in this one. She was AWFUL and there is no reason to tolerate how invasive and disrespectful she is. She's CREEPY and inappropriate as HELL, and it isn't okay because she's an adorable former sandwich girl. Zari really would be totally justified in tornadoing her away with her powers. Or kicking her out an airlock. Okay, Maaaaybe murder isn't justifiable yet, but she really needs to learn to take "no" and "Back off" as answers, and accept there are consequences to not doing so.
Nate used his powers. Happy GD?
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I'm happy Nate used his powers. I just wish there was more room in the budget for stuff like that.
Wow. Another fairly solid episode. I didn't even mind Nate and Zari, and they had some good whupass moments. Loved the Indiana Jones references.
The nipple thing was gross. But for once, I'm curious about what happens to Gary. I'm afraid for Ray. But with Nora up and about, I'm more afraid for Neron.
I realized what bothers me about Mona. She shows some very clear signs, if not all, of sociopathy. She is incapable of empathy or respect for boundaries--her only reaction to others emotions is how they make her feel; for example, she uses Zari's feelings for Nate as entertainment, even though she makes Zari feel uncomfortable. She is incapable of deep attachments or forms unhealthy attachments--her value for people is in how useful they are to her. She praises people overenthusiastically when she approves of their actions/finds them entertaining/finds them helpful, but turns on a dime with rage (with or without the werewolf influence) if they displease her. See her interactions with Jane Austen a couple episodes ago, and what she did to Charlie this episode; if she knew how to be a real friend, she'd respect her friend Charlie had good reason to do what she was doing, and even if not, she would confront Charlie quietly about it, not try to raise an angry mob against her. I think even her relationship with Konane was largely self-serving--he made her feel special and gave her a sense of purpose; likewise her care for magical creatures isn't real kindness (because her behavior can often endanger them as much as help)--it just makes her feel special. If he hadn't or hadn't been utterly positively responsive to her, she would have turned on him. Overall she is borderline narcissistic--she can only evaluate a situation based on how it relates to her and her well-being, and has little sense of responsibility, consequences, or respect for others' personal boundaries. Moreover, she is reckless (a classic trait) and incapable of accepting responsibility for her actions. Finally, she is nearly incapable of shame -- she nearly killed Jane Austen because she was angry to learn romance novels don't always reflect real life (and she is a motherf!#!ing ADULT here), and even if the werewolf amplified her reaction, a neurotypical person with average capacity for regret and empathy would be horrified for a long period of time over what she nearly did.
And my biggest problem isn't that she's a sociopath (there are fictional sociopaths whom I adore to a disturbing degree), it's that the writers seem to be portraying her obvious sociopathy as acceptable human behavior others should tolerate. And THAT is horrifying.
All I know is if the Legends want to rid themselves of Neron, they should get Shazam to help them with that. Or else Doctor Fate.
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I realized what bothers me about Mona. She shows some very clear signs, if not all, of sociopathy. She is incapable of empathy or respect for boundaries--her only reaction to others emotions is how they make her feel; for example, she uses Zari's feelings for Nate as entertainment, even though she makes Zari feel uncomfortable.
And the writers no doubt have considered none of this. :)
They likely intended it to seem 'cute,' when it's kind of disturbing. It seems to be one of the hazards of characters being written in such an over-the-top exagerrated-for-affect manner. They can't just be occasionally silly, they have to be acting so erratically that their behavior in an actual person you know in real life could be symptomatic of a stroke.
Then again, I'm a total hypocrite. I loved Anya, on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Cordelia before her, both of whom were played as the 'funny sociopath' at times.
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Dude, my favorite character in the MCU full stop is hilarious and adorable sociopath Dottie Underwood. The thing is her show makes it crystal clear that she's a mentally disturbed, dangerous person who people should not want to be like.
Anya and Cordelia, who I also loved (though I liked Cordy more on Angel) were also played for laughs, yes, but it was in a way that their behavior was not coddled or, when egregious, tolerated by the other characters, and they were eventually forced to own their own nonsense.
I agree with you about Mona. With her, I feel like they went, "Hey, what if we took the manic pixie dream girl and made her a werewolf?" and thought that would be fun. Forgetting that first of all, the manic pixie dream girl is a fairly terrible trope, and secondly, that they're sending a message that horrible monsters are okay if they're cute. NOW, maaaaybe they are self aware. The first monsters the Legends fought this season were on surface pretty/nice/lovely but then turned out to be terrifying--the unicorn and the fairy godmother. And maybe Mona is supposed to be like a more subtle version of the Unicorn, and she will end up a villain. But so far it seems like the writing condones her behavior because it's "cute."
Thomas, and I hope this comes off with the amused tone I intend, but do you EVER watch shows/movies for the characters actually in them, or just the ones you wish were there? :)
DQ,
I watch shows and some times think "If I could use the Infinity Gauntlet, I'd write this better." or you know, make shows that have more sensible plot devices...
Mostly because I can't rationalize having magic and time travel in the same show without some more powerful DC magic guys.
That and I miss the Legion of Doom.
I'll take the answer as "No," then. :) And it's fine to want things. You just seem so unhappy all the time, I'm worried about you! :)
This is a show where last year's season finale involved defeating the big bad using a giant superpowered furby. Sensible plot devices, or anything sensible, is not its strong suit, and never will be. Expecting otherwise will lead to disappointment.
Nora is supposed to be pretty freakin' powerful, and Constantine isn't a slouch. Moreover I like that in-over-their-head theme that they tend to do in this show. It's what I liked about the old Birds of Prey comic... people not very powered somehow figuring out how to handle high level comicbook stuff because they have to. The interest and the tension comes from the fact that there is no easy solution to problems. I hate it when the uberpowerful dudes come in and fix things with... I wanna say snap of their fingers but then I feel like I'm invoking a whole other universe here. I'm very happy we have a world where, until proven otherwise, those dudes don't even exist.
If you're looking for crazy high powered DC magic, I recommend getting your fix by picking up Justice League Dark comics. They're very good right now, although if you're a fan of Doctor Fate you won't like what's happened with him.
DQ,
I do read DC Comics. Some of it (like parts of Justice League Dark) I do like. Some...like Heroes in Crisis I REALLY hate. And some like the recently released Year of the Villain...I can't honestly wrap my head around.
As for my emotional state...I'd say I'm happy about three things; the eventual return of DC animation as the premiere comic story telling, MCU eventually getting Kang, Galactus and maybe Apocalypse in some stories. Matt Ryan's Constantine finally get his own show after NBC screwed him out of the old one.
I know you read the comics, I just didn't know if you were catching JLD. :) I always very definitely pick and choose what I read carefully (from any company). I think from DC I'm reading JLD and Wonder Woman and that's it, and otherwise have no idea what's going on and am content in my ignorance. (Wonder Woman is doing fun stuff with mythology right now so I'm enjoying that.)
Are you referring to Constantine being in Legends or is there an animated series?
I'm referring to the rumor of him getting his own TV show on the CW. But unclear if that's a thing.
I am not picky about reading comics since what I like and what someone else likes isn't always the same thing.
Also while I read a LOT from the big two, I do occasionally pick up something from say, Image or Dynamite or even IDW.