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Bjorn,

There is the fact he might need access to Earth's gravity to keep access to Speed Force. That or the fact he didn't feel like risking the vaccuum of space by bouncing around a module built almost 100 years or so before he was born. As for the super vibrate, it only works if you hit. Thawne's accuracy leaves a lot to be desired.

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Also, super speed in zero G could have really bounced him around the inside of the capsule.

More importantly, maybe to do a long term mission in disguise, not using his speed was the only way to keep Black Flash from finding him?

Ray's the one who said "Aha you can't use your speed in space", and Thrawne simply didn't correct him.


Joel,

Hm! You make a good point about using Speed Force. Black Flash senses it more than he sees. So it might be that.


That actually makes a fair amount of sense.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

So this week's episode mad the feels and the sad.

Especially since Nate loses his Grandpa and probably now his squeeze.

Thawne proves he can science. Just not so much in fighting a guy in zero gravity and an Iron Man suit.

What was the deal with Grandpa anyway? I'll admit I really don't know much about the Steel family, but did Grandpa have any powers at all? Or was he the only member of the JSA without anything??

I kind of liked Thawne not having 'much' speed in zero G. I kind of called it when he first started floating around... but he should have still been able to vibrate his hand through Ray's chest. And Ray should have blasted him much earlier... Otherwise I really liked both of them this time around.

I love the 'future characters' like Thawne and Abra Kadabra... The whole 'Yeha, I learned astrophysics in grade school' concept is a lot of fun.


I'll admit I'm surprised that Thawne put himself in a position that he couldn't use his speed... Why didn't he get one of his lackie.... fellow members of the Legion to go on the space shuttle instead. "Speedster on the moon' was a heck of a gamble...

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I'll admit I'm surprised that Thawne put himself in a position that he couldn't use his speed... Why didn't he get one of his lackie.... fellow members of the Legion to go on the space shuttle instead. "Speedster on the moon' was a heck of a gamble...

Because he thinks they're both too dumb to handle a deep cover mission and also know how to run a rocketship?

Also, because he considers himself smarter than everyone else in the room, so obviously his plan is infallible.


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Well... the league of assassins are the perfect people to handle deep cover missions... but I'll grant you 'too dumb to run a rocketship'. That actually makes a lot of sense.

Better question... why go to the moon during Apollo 13? Isn't that flag still up there? Take your own spaceship up there in the future and get it done.


Phantom,

I don't think that Thawne HAS a spaceship. Unless you meant the Legends...

As for Grandpa, no he had no powers, but he was skilled as showcased by his covert cover thingie. But I guess he got accepted into the JSA simply because they had some military backing. Maybe?!

I also think the reason Thawne went instead of either of the others is a) He didn't trust them after they flubbed their last two missions. b) like everyone said, he knows how to use technology and space travel.

Anyways know we'll see how this plays out. Plus apparently WWI is a factor...somehow.

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Can't wait for the tolkien episode.


Wait...This is the Tolkien episode?!! Sweet! :D

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WW1, the Somme


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Also, never take a ship into an meteor field.

Ah. Yes. The "meteorite belt", just outside lunar orbit. I can't even...


Damon,

I just assumed it was more of a random event of meteors myself. But I get why you'd be annoyed with it.


I do space stuff for a living, so while this last episode was fun to watch, my wife had to all but hold me down during some of the things that even a *tiny* bit of research could have corrected.

Space Science Spoilers:
Such as, no LEM Descent Stage at the Sea of Tranquility next to the Apollo 11 flag, the LEM was *way* too roomy, the LEM had no airlock (as soon as Ray exited he would have killed Thawne), Apollo 13 was actually the fifth moon mission, not the seventh (since Apollos 7 and 9 only orbited the Earth) etc...


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Tar,

Yeah I was annoyed by that part as a historian. But I guess once again, they didn't bother to do the research.


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Damon,

I just assumed it was more of a random event of meteors myself. But I get why you'd be annoyed with it.

I forget which character, but someone did specifically refer to the "meteorite belt."


Damon,

Maybe. I don't recall after they had to figure out how to land the thing and Grandpa Heywood ended up taking the express elevator down...


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The history and science in this episode hurt my head almost as much as that distraction by Stein.

But Snart next week.


Thawne probably went because he was only one that could fake being an astronaut. He didn't use super speed to avoid the whole death thing.


Vid,

There might be that. I dunno. Regardless it's done, now let's see Tolkein right them out of THIS mess.


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So I seem to have missed something. After they figure out where the Dues ax Machina (or would that be Dues ex Sanguina?) is. Why did they have to retrieve it in 1916? Why not - oh I don't know - anytime between the death of Gawain and the end of the world?


Green,

Maybe because they were concerned about a deadline? I dunno. That one puzzled me too. But at least it gave Rip a chance to do a Tolkien homage.

ALSO annoyed they couldn't keep the name straight! I mean at least Roy/Rip/Arthur Darvill got it right. Plus the fact I agree with Tolkein, Nate should NEVER do accents.

Finally I'm a little surprised but not that surprised the team turned on Rory about his past and stuff.


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Oh, you mean you don't pronounce it "Tol-KEEN?"

Also, I thought the team was rather unsympathetic towards Mick. I mean, an earlier episode had Stein performing surgery on him to try to remove the Snart hallucinations, so it's not like they didn't know he had issues.


Tar,

I've always pronounced it "Toll-KEN" but I admit I could be wrong.

Also no one besides Stein knew about the hallucinations. Mick threatened him to not tell the team. So Stein didn't.


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/ˈtɒlkiːn/, or closer to TALL-keen.
Lots of English speakers seem to have trouble with an long unstressed 'ee' sound, for some reason, and want to make it stressed.

So who else is convinced that Rory is either conning the LoD to get Snart back or will have a change of heart?


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Tar,

I've always pronounced it "Toll-KEN" but I admit I could be wrong.

Also no one besides Stein knew about the hallucinations. Mick threatened him to not tell the team. So Stein didn't.

Ugg, forgot the sarcasm-implying wink after my comment. Needless to say, it was a nails-on-chalkboard moment.

As for the hallucinations, I forgot that he told Stein to keep it a secret. Doesn't explain why he didn't ask Stein to back him up.

On a slightly related note, does Mick have a snappy nickname for Stein? You know, like "haircut" for Palmer or "skirt" for Supergirl?

Is it wrong that Mick has become my favorite character so far? Not that he is necessarily morally redeemable, but his brutal honesty and simplicity is a bit refreshing.

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I enjoyed all of the Tolkien in jokes... and the fact that they didn't feel the need to do the 'nudge nudge wink wink' routine to let the audience know each time they were doing so.


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Is it wrong that Mick has become my favorite character so far? Not that he is necessarily morally redeemable, but his brutal honesty and simplicity is a bit refreshing.

Oh, season two has been wonderful for Mick. I thought he was the most dead weight character of season one, but he has been a LOT of fun this time around!!

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I'm just sure that Mick is gonna trick the Legion.


Mick probably will either have a change of heart OR at least decide to trick them sure. Mostly though I had this thought: HOW the Hell does this NOT fall apart on them (The Legion of Doom)?

You have FOUR disparate personalities, each wanting their own version of Heaven in reality. Nothing that either could agree on that I see.

So unless there's something I missing, it was going to fall apart anyway MERELY because you can't have 4 different version of the same reality at once. At least..not cohesively. I don't care how powerful the Spear is.

CB,

The Tolkein injokes were spot on. Without being overt, I certainly grant you.


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I'm not sure Mick is clever enough to 'trick' them. I mean... sure he's underestimated, but Mick is just too 'simple-minded' to really be sneaky.

He wants his friend alive. He wants money. He likes to burn things... He's not some great Machiavellian planner. He may switch sides again, but really I think he joined up with Snart because that was his buddy who liked him the way he was... not for whoever he may someday become. The legends (for some reason) just don't appreciate the murdering, pyro thug that he is...

FYI, I absolutely loved this exchange.

"Piece of Cake."
"You thought that was easy??"
"NO... I want a piece of cake... and a beer!"

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Eh, I don't think that's fair. Mick hasn't murdered anyone all season. I'm pretty sure Sarah has more blood on her hands at this point.

Also, his flamethrower doesn't light things on fire. It's mostly concussive. I think the laser guns the Legion is always toting are more dangerous.


Phantom,

That may be, but I honestly keep wondering how smart the Legion can be if they all thought "Hey this can totally alter reality to my whims! Let's do it together!"

Instead maybe I dunno, small changes over time? Just saying...


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Phantom,

That may be, but I honestly keep wondering how smart the Legion can be if they all thought "Hey this can totally alter reality to my whims! Let's do it together!"

Instead maybe I dunno, small changes over time? Just saying...

Oh definitely, but that's the problem with villains. They don't trust each other and they don't share without getting something. I was very annoyed that Thawne didn't just grab the spear and run off....because seriously, why would a future person allow past people to change reality. That's EXACTLY what got him in trouble in the first place with Eddie.... But then Malcolm was keeping the instruction book close to his vest till they were all in the loop...

I really do expect that to be part of the problem. Too many people messing at the same time will screw it up.


Phantom,

Well it's an all powerful weapon which no one, NO ONE understands exactly how it works or the extent of its powers. It's like giving a ring of wishes to 13 year old PCs. The crap that happens...just undoes everything.

But as for why Thawne didn't run up, steal the book and the SPear and run off, my two guesses: he couldn't go anywhere without the Time Sphere guiding him (which needs a pilot I'd assume) AND he probably can't read whatever language that's in. That's just a guess though.


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Phantom,

Well it's an all powerful weapon which no one, NO ONE understands exactly how it works or the extent of its powers. It's like giving a ring of wishes to 13 year old PCs. The crap that happens...just undoes everything.

But as for why Thawne didn't run up, steal the book and the SPear and run off, my two guesses: he couldn't go anywhere without the Time Sphere guiding him (which needs a pilot I'd assume) AND he probably can't read whatever language that's in. That's just a guess though.

yeah, once Malcolm was revealed to have the knowledge, I was fine with Thawne not running away with all the power. I'm just glad that they tossed that in there.

I am a little curious what Malcolm wants though... Thawne and Dahrk are pretty solidly in the 'I don't want to be killed' camp... Snart and Rory are probably in the 'I want Snart to live... and lots of money' camp...

What is merlyn's big goal? Power? He got his butt stomped and his hand cut off and lost a lot of respect, but what's he going to do to get that back? His is the only really 'complicated' wish I can really picture... though I'm sure they'll all make bigger splashes than just that.


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My guess?

He wants to undo what he did to the Queen family, have Thea be his loving daughter, and probably still have control over the League.

But that's just a guess.

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phantom1592 wrote:
What is merlyn's big goal? Power? He got his butt stomped and his hand cut off and lost a lot of respect, but what's he going to do to get that back? His is the only really 'complicated' wish I can really picture... though I'm sure they'll all make bigger splashes than just that.

If they had infinite money for guest stars, I would expect Malcolm to want the following;

1) his wife and son back alive again,
2) ownership and control of Merlyn Enterprises (and all his millions / billions) back again,
3) the League of Assassins to know nothing of his continued existence (or that he somehow be both the new R'as al-Ghul *and* still the CEO of Merlyn Global Enterprises! Having your own fanatical death-cult of assassins would certainly make resolution of HR issues a breeze...),
4) Oliver Queen to have blown up on the boat with his dad,
5) his hand back, and
6) *maybe* Thea to know that he's her father and be totally cool with it. (Or maybe not. With Tommy and his wife alive again, he might not care about Thea as much, or want to introduce too many new variables to the very good life he had before his wife died...)

But they don't, and we won't see Tommy Merlyn or Thea, and he'll probably wish for something lame.

Being one of the five, I'd 'wish' for a new reality in which the wishes of the other four didn't involve me / couldn't affect me / didn't conflict with my own wishes (or for the other four to not be a part of *my* little corner of the new reality at all, if the spear is capable of that...).


Set,

I'm with you on all those but again you're right they don't have much in the way of lots of money. I still think there's no Oliver in this. But I could be wrong.

As for what it's capable of...no clue but that would be an interesting test of its powers.


Set wrote:


If they had infinite money for guest stars, I would expect Malcolm to want the following;
1) his wife and son back alive again,
2) ownership and control of Merlyn Enterprises (and all his millions / billions) back again,
3) the League of Assassins to know nothing of his continued existence (or that he somehow be both the new R'as al-Ghul *and* still the CEO of Merlyn Global Enterprises! Having your own fanatical death-cult of assassins would certainly make resolution of HR issues a breeze...),
4) Oliver Queen to have blown up on the boat with his dad,
5) his hand back, and
6) *maybe* Thea to know that he's her father and be totally cool with it. (Or maybe not. With Tommy and his wife alive again, he might not care about Thea as much, or want to introduce too many new variables to the very good life he had before his wife died...)

Am I forgetting which hand he lost, or did he grasp the spear with his "fake" hand? If the latter, does that mean Merlyn is left out of the wishing pool?


Tar,

I'm pretty sure he used his real hand. Not that it would have matter since it's still connected to the rest of him.


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I'm willing to bet they will all turn on each other when it comes down to it. My money is on Malcolm. Most likely rory is gonna decide the fate of the world. (yay now the universe has 2 suns and no earth.)


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I suspect Rory isn't that stupid. More like everybody gives him free beer and cake from now on.


Lol The world is exactly as it was plus anytime someone sees rory they buy him a beer and a piece of cake.


And possibly some non-family friendly services.


Well I guess we'll find out on Tuesday! Next to last episode of the season folks! Who have thunk it?


Rip Hunter, Pastry Chef of the future and future Mini!


So am I the only one who is enough of a religious nerd to joke that the writers obviously don't believe in Transubstantiation, lest getting rid of the Spear would be a piece of cake?

Without posting anything too spoilery, am I the only one who thinks Snart is more of a jerk than usual? Or is that just a case of plucking him from an earlier part of the timeline?

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I don't think there is ANY point in the timeline which explains this version of Snart. He is a fundamentally different / more malevolent character than he was even before meeting Flash and starting down his 'road to redemption'. Maybe they used that mind rewiring gizmo on him like they did to Rip.

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