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Dal Selpher wrote:

Melissa Benoist and Mehcad Brooks, even just in the second episode are also flouting some considerable on-screen chemistry and my favorite scenes were, once again, scenes they shared.

Exactly my point! Now they just need to get Mr. Friendzone out of the way so they can go forth with the sweet love by the fire making!

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Do we need to start a #TeamKara or #TeamCat campaign for James? Because he totally needs that #TeamCat in his life.


I found this show to be pleasant enough to merit watching. If it gets boring, I'll probably go away. The clunky writing from the pilot seems to be slightly smoothed out in the second episode, a trend that needs to continue. Arrow's third season was painful.

One thing that makes me a bit nervous is Henshaw and Schlott being put into 'sensitive' areas of Kara's life. When you know that half of the allied cast ends up as super villains, it makes you subconsciously wonder about when the hammer is going to drop. (Caitlin Snow, don't break my heart.)

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archmagi1 wrote:
Do we need to start a #TeamKara or #TeamCat campaign for James? Because he totally needs that #TeamCat in his life.

TEAMKARA ALL THE WAY!!!

Cat's an old hag!

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Imagine Cat complaining all the way during intercourse, forgetting to enjoy it along the way.


Kain Darkwind wrote:
One thing that makes me a bit nervous is Henshaw and Schlott being put into 'sensitive' areas of Kara's life. When you know that half of the allied cast ends up as super villains, it makes you subconsciously wonder about when the hammer is going to drop.

While I fully expect Henshaw to go full evil at some point, I suspect Winn is the son of Toyman rather than the will-be villain himself. The IMDB page for the show goes so far as to list actor Henry Czerny as "Toy Man" for 1 episode.

Henshaw though is sure to go bad. His "I used to." comment to Kara in this latest episode strikes me as foreshadowing for his motivations in that regard.


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archmagi1 wrote:
Like 30 tops? Lets assume Supes was 24 when Kara landed (based on the imperical data), and is 36 now. Assume Jimmy is +/- 2-5 years from Clark, we have him in the 39-31 range, which still fits "approaching middle aged", particularly if he was on the older end. The actor himself is 35, but Kara's actor is 27. If we apply the -3 years, we have 32, which *could* possibly be still young enough to reasonably pursue a 24 year old (none of my similarly aged peers in my circle would drop down to that young).

In contrast, I know several folks who would not have any issue dating someone that young (and I know a few married couples who met with that sort of age gap between them). Hell...I am 35 and don't see anything wrong with dating a 24 year old.


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Dal Selpher wrote:
Kain Darkwind wrote:
One thing that makes me a bit nervous is Henshaw and Schlott being put into 'sensitive' areas of Kara's life. When you know that half of the allied cast ends up as super villains, it makes you subconsciously wonder about when the hammer is going to drop.

While I fully expect Henshaw to go full evil at some point, I suspect Winn is the son of Toyman rather than the will-be villain himself. The IMDB page for the show goes so far as to list actor Henry Czerny as "Toy Man" for 1 episode.

Henshaw though is sure to go bad. His "I used to." comment to Kara in this latest episode strikes me as foreshadowing for his motivations in that regard.

Really? And not the glowing red eyes?

Hank Henshaw snapped when exposure to radiation caused him to lose his physical body. He created a robot body for himself, but his wife committed suicide when she saw him in it. So yeah, 'once' seems to imply he's heading right along the same path. It is sort of amusing that black Jimmy (a character whose racial identity or image is not particularly strong) gets a ton of flack, but Hank Henshaw, a guy who at some point in his life should look exactly like Superman (who is a white guy) gets none.

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Finally saw it last night, and I agree with what's been said here. I really was curious how Astra really framed her actions (which we don't know yet) as "speaking the truth" and "trying to save the planet." It could well be that she was. Or it could be that she's an eco-terrorist. I wanted Supergirl to at least hear her out before they started fighting.

Also, terrible wire-work, but I enjoyed the show in spite of it.

I also see James as Jimmy at a much later point in his life. He's not the plucky cub reporter/photographer who always gets into trouble anymore. He's achieved major milestones in life, and he's learned enough about who he is to articulate what was wrong with his rise to prominence in the first place, which I thought made for a great monologue. In other words, I think there's a spark between them, but I think he's at a different phase of his life than Kara is.


Registering my guess, with no supporting evidence, regarding Hank Henshaw:

Some people have speculated Henshaw may be the Martian Manhunter, on the strength of nothing more than a flash of red eyes and a comment that he "used to" have a family.

In the comics, Hank Henshaw became the Cyborg Superman after his human body was disintegrated by radiation; he beamed his mind into the birthing matrix that carried Superman from Krypton to Earth as an infant and constructed a cyborg body in the image of Superman. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Kara's ship, which we know the DEO has on hand, was at some point involved in transforming Director Henshaw into a not-fully-human form.


The show would be improved immeasurably by not having every single scene reference Superman multiple times. :P


I watched the first two episodes (not sure what day it comes on, or if there's a third yet), and it was okay. Potential to get better.

They're really hammering the female empowerment angle in bordering on cringeworthy ways. It's written in very jarringly, rather than naturally. Almost like they have a quota of lines they have to fill. Good example is when Kara's being put through her paces and immediately assumes she's being run hard because she's "just a girl" rather than that she's, you know, a brand new member of a secret task force with unknown limitations to her abilities.


I want to say last night's episode was definitely better on the dialogue front. A lot less clunky and a bit of wit on occasion.

I didn't care for

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Kara being so angry at Jimmy for calling in Supes to save her life, especially after her big speech at how important it is for people to be able rely on and help each other last episode. I could understand if she was merely on the ropes and Superman jumped in, but she was definitely going to die if he hadn't intervened.

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Kalshane wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

plot spoiler:
Superman jumped in? did you see Superman? I've written off that show due to time constraints but if Superman makes guest appearances...
Details please!

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Kalshane wrote:
** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **Details please!

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You see a blurry outline of a guy in a blue outfit with a red cape. The shot is from SG's perspective (she is on the virge of unconsciousness) from behind and below so you can't see his face, only a burrier dark outline of the back of his head. Very clearly SM, but which SM is unclear (multiple movie versions, tv version or a "new" SM).

Yeah, it's handled the same way it was in the pilot

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with a blurry image of a man in blue with a red cape.

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Boo, #teamcat losing out to #teamkara, thooooo #teamloissister is in the mix now too. C'Mon Cat, leave the billionaires alone, go for the photog!


Kalshane wrote:

Yeah, it's handled the same way it was in the pilot

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I wonder if they'll run with that. Take advantage of the license/actor limitations.

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That's all anyone ever sees of him. So busy, so driven, he's always just a blur.


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Kalshane wrote:

I want to say last night's episode was definitely better on the dialogue front. A lot less clunky and a bit of wit on occasion.

I didn't care for
** spoiler omitted **

I think it made sense in light of Cat's piece on Supergirl and her slam against millenials.

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Registering my guess, with no supporting evidence, regarding Hank Henshaw:

Some people have speculated Henshaw may be the Martian Manhunter, on the strength of nothing more than a flash of red eyes and a comment that he "used to" have a family.

In the comics, Hank Henshaw became the Cyborg Superman after his human body was disintegrated by radiation; he beamed his mind into the birthing matrix that carried Superman from Krypton to Earth as an infant and constructed a cyborg body in the image of Superman. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Kara's ship, which we know the DEO has on hand, was at some point involved in transforming Director Henshaw into a not-fully-human form.

So in the comics was Henshaw a telepath? That was the impression I got from the lastest episode.

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Or technopath integrated with the base.


I rather enjoyed this latest episode. Winn won me over this episode though arch - I was thinking the Kara/Jimmy angle was dang good (and the two really do have good on screen chemistry), but dang if Winn didn't charm me over to his team. Kara saving him at the party helped a bunch too. The way he looked at her afterward... dang. Nobody will ever treasure her or treat Kara like Winn would. Shoot man.

Ahem. Moving on, I also wanted to note that the part of the episode that I found the most touching and heartwarming was the online chat conversation between Kara and Clark just before the end. I *loved* that. Absolutely loved it. The music, tone, Kara's expressions and Clark doofy emoticon even all caught me by surprise. It's silly and kind of simple, but that was the highlight of the episode for me.

Beyond that, it's also worth mentioning that I don't think Alex is as wooden as she was in the first two episodes. The scene between her and Kara just being sisters and arguing over chinese food at the end of the episode was endearing and something they really needed in the show. I hope we get to see more of it.


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Kalshane wrote:

I want to say last night's episode was definitely better on the dialogue front. A lot less clunky and a bit of wit on occasion.

I didn't care for
** spoiler omitted **

I think it made sense in light of Cat's piece on Supergirl and her slam against millenials.

But if he hadn't done it, she would be dead. Hard to prove your worth when you're dead.

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Dal Selpher wrote:


I also wanted to note that the part of the episode that I found the most touching and heartwarming was the online chat conversation between Kara and Clark just before the end. I *loved* that. Absolutely loved it. The music, tone, Kara's expressions and Clark doofy emoticon even all caught me by surprise. It's silly and kind of simple, but that was the highlight of the episode for me.

I can only second this. My favorite part so far. Clark's message about Kara beating Reactron and how he never have done so was good. It clearly lifted her spirit. That's the Superman I know- he inspires people with deeds and words alike.

Also I think that Reactron was kinda cool villain.

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Jacob Saltband wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:

Registering my guess, with no supporting evidence, regarding Hank Henshaw:

Some people have speculated Henshaw may be the Martian Manhunter, on the strength of nothing more than a flash of red eyes and a comment that he "used to" have a family.

In the comics, Hank Henshaw became the Cyborg Superman after his human body was disintegrated by radiation; he beamed his mind into the birthing matrix that carried Superman from Krypton to Earth as an infant and constructed a cyborg body in the image of Superman. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Kara's ship, which we know the DEO has on hand, was at some point involved in transforming Director Henshaw into a not-fully-human form.

So in the comics was Henshaw a telepath? That was the impression I got from the lastest episode.

He's the Cyborg Superman... able to integrate with any piece of technology. He was one of the four would be replacements when Superman was killed by Doomsday.

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Damon Griffin wrote:

Registering my guess, with no supporting evidence, regarding Hank Henshaw:

Some people have speculated Henshaw may be the Martian Manhunter, on the strength of nothing more than a flash of red eyes and a comment that he "used to" have a family.

In the comics, Hank Henshaw became the Cyborg Superman after his human body was disintegrated by radiation; he beamed his mind into the birthing matrix that carried Superman from Krypton to Earth as an infant and constructed a cyborg body in the image of Superman. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Kara's ship, which we know the DEO has on hand, was at some point involved in transforming Director Henshaw into a not-fully-human form.

Note that this is from a no-longer canon continuity in which Kryptonians aren't naturally born, and Kal-El was shipped off planet as a developing fetus, rather than a young child.


Indeed.

The current canon Cyborg Superman is actually

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Zor-el, reformatted by Braniac and a sort of "proteus" planet... far too long to go into, here, but there was some seriously messed up stuff that went down in that particular arc.

Not that I liked it better than the Henshaw arc. I still think the Supergirl comic property is being woefully undermanaged. But, I'll take what I can get for now.

Corrected my spoiler


Kalshane wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Kalshane wrote:

I want to say last night's episode was definitely better on the dialogue front. A lot less clunky and a bit of wit on occasion.

I didn't care for
** spoiler omitted **

I think it made sense in light of Cat's piece on Supergirl and her slam against millenials.
But if he hadn't done it, she would be dead. Hard to prove your worth when you're dead.

Her complaint was that Jimmy didn't know she was dying. As soon as she went after Reactor he called SM in for help.

I'm liking the social commentary in this series. Little bits here and there dealing with sexism and generational stereotypes SG has to deal with.


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Her complaint was that Jimmy didn't know she was dying. As soon as she went after Reactor he called SM in for help.

I'm liking the social commentary in this series. Little bits here and there dealing with sexism and generational stereotypes SG has to deal with.

Regardless of the timing, she'd still be dead if he didn't do it.

It just seemed odd, especially after last week's big speech from her about the importance of being able to depend on others for help.

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Kalshane wrote:
Regardless of the timing, she'd still be dead if he didn't do it.

Maybe.

Yes, she passed out... but is there any reason to believe Reactron could have actually killed her? What actual 'damage' did he do? No broken bones. No blood flow. Heck, not even any real bruising. A few hours later she went back and beat him senseless... primarily by holding out her hand to block the energy blasts.

For all we know, in the earlier fight Kara had a seizure and fainted because of all the sparkly lights. :]

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CBDunkerson wrote:
Kalshane wrote:
Regardless of the timing, she'd still be dead if he didn't do it.

Maybe.

Yes, she passed out... but is there any reason to believe Reactron could have actually killed her? What actual 'damage' did he do? No broken bones. No blood flow. Heck, not even any real bruising. A few hours later she went back and beat him senseless... primarily by holding out her hand to block the energy blasts.

For all we know, in the earlier fight Kara had a seizure and fainted because of all the sparkly lights. :]

You don't have to suffer any noticeable physical damage to die. He could have stopped her heart or fried her brain.


First off, if we know that Reactron had fought Superman to a standstill and hurt him several times, we can assume that no one, Kara included, thought that he was incapable of killing her.

Secondly, I think the issue with calling in Superman (rather than getting help from her friends and team) is that it makes her look really weak. It starts setting her up for being targeted to ambush Supes as well.

But really, the reason is that it wanted to establish a clear justification for why Superman doesn't show up on the show. Get her out from under his shadow right off the bat.

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Arrgh - it seems that CBS has decided to air episodes out of order to be sensitive to the Paris bombings. The next scheduled episode featured bombings, so they're swapping in the following week's episode "Livewire" instead.

While I completely support being sensitive to current events, there's no need to screw the viewing experience up - re-run something instead, and air in the correct order would be way more preferable. I'll probably hold off watching until I can watch them in the intended order.


With an episodic show like this, the only reason you'll be likely to notice is because they announced it.


Well that is very disappointing, I was looking forward to the baby sitting episode.

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Rynjin wrote:
With an episodic show like this, the only reason you'll be likely to notice is because they announced it.

Except that it does have meta plots that are slowly developing, between the relationship status between Supergirl and Jimmy and the other other guy, and Henshaw's "red glowing eyes" secret.


Which I doubt will be resolved or even significantly develop in the next two episodes.

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Or even be remotely interesting. (Sorry I couldn't resist) [/unlurk]


JoelF847 wrote:
I'll probably hold off watching until I can watch them in the intended order.

I wouldn't recommend that. CBS hasn't announced a new date to air that episode.

In 1999, a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode called "Earshot", featuring a planned on-campus shooting, was supposed to have aired three weeks ahead of the "Graduation Day" two-part Season 3 finale. But the Columbine shootings happened the week before the intended air date, so it was pulled. It eventually aired by itself, two months after the season finale; about three months past its originally scheduled date.


I remember about that episode from Buffy. I hope we don't have to wait that long for this episode.

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Last night's episode was pretty cool....

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I enjoyed the interactions between the Danvers women, and the awkward Thanksgiving dinner.

Also, the bit about Friendzone's dad being in prison. Maybe we'll get to see Toyman at some point this season.

Livewire wasn't nearly as annoying in this series as she was in the old Superman Animated series. And props to the writers for throwing in that reference to The Weird comic miniseries when Hank Henshaw was showing off his energy trap. I'll have to go back and re-watch that bit, however, because I can't be sure if he said Zarolatt or Macrolatt.

And with the revelation that Daddy Danvers was working for the DEO, I have to assume there's some connection between his death and Cyborg Hank Henshaw.

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Zarolatt if I'm not mistaken.

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Zarolatt if I'm not mistaken.

That's what I thought, but couldn't be sure. Either way, it gives me hope that I may finally get to see a live action version of one of my favorite comic book heroes.

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The time hop this week totally screwed up the love triangle // friend zone plot. IT guy was totally brooding about James the two times he got cblocked. That tiny bit of plot we missed made for some awkwardness, enough to tell we missed an episode.

The Danvers house flashbacks answered a lot of questions surrounding the space pod and whatnot that the deo has.

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Also the mentions of bombs. Which never happened.


Don't forget about how nice Kat Grant was being to Kara and Supergirl. You can really tell we missed at least one episode.

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That was an interesting episode...

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Finally getting to see the sisters suspicious of Henshaw. That fight's going to be fun to watch.

Sooooo.....Max Lord has been turned into a less iconic version of Lex Luthor.

Not a big fan of Friendzone, but I love the little hints about his past. All the toys and s$*~.

And, I could be wrong about this, but in the opening sequence they flash across a screen at the DEO showing images of a couple alien fugitives. I think one of them is supposed to be Despero. He was big. He was the right color. Looked like he had the third eye. I did not see a fin on his head. Could be cool.


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Well I am glad I didn't have to wait long for this episode.

I am surprised that the bosses son is not a brat at all.

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With regard to the supposition in my previous post about an image from the opening sequence....

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I now think I was in error. I had thought it might be a shot of Despero, but it could actually be Jemm, Son of Saturn. He's been slated for an appearance sometime this season.

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*grumbles about missing this week's episode...

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