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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Randarak wrote:
Arrow is going to have Constantine (and the same actor. I love continuity, especially where its unexpected). I am giddy with anticipation. That show didn't get a fair shake.
ok. Post here to let me know when that happens. Constantine is my favorite thing ever put to the screen by DC.

Its the November 4th episode, "Haunted"

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Randarak wrote:
Arrow is going to have Constantine (and the same actor. I love continuity, especially where its unexpected). I am giddy with anticipation. That show didn't get a fair shake.
ok. Post here to let me know when that happens. Constantine is my favorite thing ever put to the screen by DC.

He's on the next episode, airing Wednesday, November 4. Watch the trailer.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Hama wrote:
Tarondor wrote:

I won't be watching.

The trailer takes a swing at a political commentator (gosh, was a it commentator from the left?) in the first five seconds.

Pass.

What. Seriously? That must be the lamest excuse not to watch a show ever.
Polarization of the masses leads to narrow-mindedness like this. Pick a party is no longer enough: you must now choose the whole life package that comes with it, including the type of food you eat, the religion you choose and whether or not you think evolution and climate change are real.

I could never wrap my head around that.

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Hama wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Hama wrote:
Tarondor wrote:

I won't be watching.

The trailer takes a swing at a political commentator (gosh, was a it commentator from the left?) in the first five seconds.

Pass.

What. Seriously? That must be the lamest excuse not to watch a show ever.
Polarization of the masses leads to narrow-mindedness like this. Pick a party is no longer enough: you must now choose the whole life package that comes with it, including the type of food you eat, the religion you choose and whether or not you think evolution and climate change are real.
I could never wrap my head around that.

There's a big difference between avoiding media because its creators have different beliefs, and avoiding it because its creators actively despise me for my beliefs and want to laugh about how stupid/evil I am.

I don't remember what Tarondor was referring to in the trailer, but I've certainly avoided media because I don't want to be ridiculed and insulted while consuming it.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Randarak wrote:

I enjoyed the show. It has a lot of room to grow and develop, and I'm hoping if it does well, they'll put more money into it for effects.

DC Comics has several black characters besides John Stewart, several of them mainstream. According to this list, there are over 100. A great many of them are main stream characters.

this is the most hilariously optimistic statements I have ever read.
Yours is the most annoyingly unnecessary comment I have ever read.

sorry about that, having a bad autocorrect day. I meant to say "ONE OF" the most hilariously optimistic statements I have ever read. The power of positive thinking is a good thing, but dc is notoriously ham fisted in their diversity efforts. And this is coming from someone who flipped out over one of the people who worked on mosaic being at comic con.

He was in the bathroom when I tried to thank him for everything he did....I pray he shows up next year.


Freehold DM wrote:
Randarak wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Randarak wrote:

I enjoyed the show. It has a lot of room to grow and develop, and I'm hoping if it does well, they'll put more money into it for effects.

DC Comics has several black characters besides John Stewart, several of them mainstream. According to this list, there are over 100. A great many of them are main stream characters.

this is the most hilariously optimistic statements I have ever read.
Yours is the most annoyingly unnecessary comment I have ever read.

sorry about that, having a bad autocorrect day. I meant to say "ONE OF" the most hilariously optimistic statements I have ever read. The power of positive thinking is a good thing, but dc is notoriously ham fisted in their diversity efforts. And this is coming from someone who flipped out over one of the people who worked on mosaic being at comic con.

He was in the bathroom when I tried to thank him for everything he did....I pray he shows up next year.

Okay, THAT I can understand. Diversity should come naturally. In my opinion, people write best what they know. If the publisher wants to be more diverse, have a more diverse writing staff, not people making a diverse effort on the behalf of others.

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RainyDayNinja wrote:
Hama wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Hama wrote:
Tarondor wrote:

I won't be watching.

The trailer takes a swing at a political commentator (gosh, was a it commentator from the left?) in the first five seconds.

Pass.

What. Seriously? That must be the lamest excuse not to watch a show ever.
Polarization of the masses leads to narrow-mindedness like this. Pick a party is no longer enough: you must now choose the whole life package that comes with it, including the type of food you eat, the religion you choose and whether or not you think evolution and climate change are real.
I could never wrap my head around that.

There's a big difference between avoiding media because its creators have different beliefs, and avoiding it because its creators actively despise me for my beliefs and want to laugh about how stupid/evil I am.

I don't remember what Tarondor was referring to in the trailer, but I've certainly avoided media because I don't want to be ridiculed and insulted while consuming it.

Oh god. I just rewatched all the trailers. They were KINDA making fun off Bill'o Riley. Which isn't really hard to do. By saying that Kara's boss doesn't want to sit next to him. That's it. That's all.

Seriously dude, if you're not gonna watch a superhero show ower a joke mad at someone you admire, you should really think long and hard about priorities in life.

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I'd be more concerned about admiring Bill'o Riley ...

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Marc Radle wrote:
I'd be more concerned about admiring Bill'o Riley ...

Well, considering it's CBS, home of made up news *coughTANGcough*...

More seriously, there's a lot to admire about Limbaugh, O'Riley, Stern, agree or disagree with them, they're successful at their chosen endeavours.

Heck, Limbaugh himself said he admired the way Stern found a niche market and capitalized on it. He didn't agree with the demographic, but he didn't deny the success.

Back on topic, I'll likely catch this this weekend. GF is binge watching Arrow on Netflix to get caught up right now. :-)

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Catering to niche markets is ok. Like motorcycle aficionados. Or even people with conservative or liberal views. Fine. What is wrong is to stop questioning those who cater to your market segment *because they cater to your market segment*

That's lazy, and with everything in life, laziness leads to your demise.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
I'd be more concerned about admiring Bill'o Riley ...

Well, considering it's CBS, home of made up news *coughTANGcough*...

More seriously, there's a lot to admire about Limbaugh, O'Riley, Stern, agree or disagree with them, they're successful at their chosen endeavours.

Heck, Limbaugh himself said he admired the way Stern found a niche market and capitalized on it. He didn't agree with the demographic, but he didn't deny the success.

Back on topic, I'll likely catch this this weekend. GF is binge watching Arrow on Netflix to get caught up right now. :-)

Sorry, but commercial success is not a measure of quality.

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Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
I'd be more concerned about admiring Bill'o Riley ...

Well, considering it's CBS, home of made up news *coughTANGcough*...

More seriously, there's a lot to admire about Limbaugh, O'Riley, Stern, agree or disagree with them, they're successful at their chosen endeavours.

Heck, Limbaugh himself said he admired the way Stern found a niche market and capitalized on it. He didn't agree with the demographic, but he didn't deny the success.

Back on topic, I'll likely catch this this weekend. GF is binge watching Arrow on Netflix to get caught up right now. :-)

Sorry, but commercial success is not a measure of quality.

Where did I imply it was?

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I enjoyed the first episode of "Supergirl." Lots of explosions and CGI action. What I expected. It was fun.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
I'd be more concerned about admiring Bill'o Riley ...

Well, considering it's CBS, home of made up news *coughTANGcough*...

More seriously, there's a lot to admire about Limbaugh, O'Riley, Stern, agree or disagree with them, they're successful at their chosen endeavours.

Heck, Limbaugh himself said he admired the way Stern found a niche market and capitalized on it. He didn't agree with the demographic, but he didn't deny the success.

Back on topic, I'll likely catch this this weekend. GF is binge watching Arrow on Netflix to get caught up right now. :-)

Sorry, but commercial success is not a measure of quality.
Where did I imply it was?

Well, success without quality leaves nothing to be admired IMHO.


Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Hama wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
I'd be more concerned about admiring Bill'o Riley ...

Well, considering it's CBS, home of made up news *coughTANGcough*...

More seriously, there's a lot to admire about Limbaugh, O'Riley, Stern, agree or disagree with them, they're successful at their chosen endeavours.

Heck, Limbaugh himself said he admired the way Stern found a niche market and capitalized on it. He didn't agree with the demographic, but he didn't deny the success.

Back on topic, I'll likely catch this this weekend. GF is binge watching Arrow on Netflix to get caught up right now. :-)

Sorry, but commercial success is not a measure of quality.
Where did I imply it was?
Well, success without quality leaves nothing to be admired IMHO.

In the U.S., success is often concidered admirable in its own right. Which has, no doubt, led to many if the problems we face to today. Basically, in addition to being admired, success obviates you of any ethical (and often legal) woes you might have encountered along the way.

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BigDTBone wrote:
In the U.S., success is often concidered admirable in its own right. Which has, no doubt, led to many if the problems we face to today. Basically, in addition to being admired, success obviates you of any ethical (and often legal) woes you might have encountered along the way.

c.f. Steve Jobs, Donald Trump, Roman Polanski, et cetera

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Not sure Steve Jobs should be on that list ...


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Marc Radle wrote:
Not sure Steve Jobs should be on that list ...

And that pretty much seals my point.

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Marc Radle wrote:
Not sure Steve Jobs should be on that list ...

Of course he should be. He was a terrible person and stole more than half of the "revolutionary innovations" from his competitors, or worse, friends. He was terrible to his employees, often screaming at them and driving them to tears.

Oh but hey he was successful.

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I liked the pilot of Supergirl. It's optimistic and good-natured, which is exactly what I wanted from it. I looked up it's cast, and there are some interesting names showing up, like Maxwell Lord and Red Tornado. I 'm looking forward how the show starts to roll.

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Chris Mortika wrote:
1) Where did Kara learn how to throw a punch? Realistically, Supergirl should be pretty hapless in a fight, relying entirely on her powers.

Kara may not have skill, but she still has that raw Kryptonian strength to default to until she learns how to fight.

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Chris Mortika wrote:


2) I am fascinated by Kara's mortal persona being clumsy and mild-mannered. Clark does that, because Clark is trying to disguise himself, to appear the opposite of Superman. But Kara isn't trying to keep a secret identity. She just wants to live like a normal person. I understand that means "Don't go around throwing dumpsters over buildings." But why does that include glasses? Why the lack of self-confidence?

Every hear of "Left Hand Syndrome"? Many parents have a superstitious fear of left-handed children seeing left-handedness as a sign of the Devil, so they go to extreme lengths to force right-handedness including binding the left arm into immobility. The children wind up having all sorts of neurotic issues as a result of it.

Linda has a major case of this because she has been forcibly repressing her Kryptonian aspects. (So in certain ways maybe Clark was being genuinely clumsy because of his own efforts.)

Note of course that I should have said Her Cousin, since Clark, Superman, and several other proper nouns and noun combos are banned from the show because of IP issues. Which is the real reason why we have a black character named JAMES Olson.

If I remember correctly Hank Henshaw is the super villain who becomes the Cyborg Superman in the Reign of the Supermen.

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Hama wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Not sure Steve Jobs should be on that list ...

Of course he should be. He was a terrible person and stole more than half of the "revolutionary innovations" from his competitors, or worse, friends. He was terrible to his employees, often screaming at them and driving them to tears.

Oh but hey he was successful.

Steve Jobs was the engine that drove the disparate parts of Apple. Everything said of the above is true, but that does not change the fact that he was more than just a very successful evangelistic salesman. He had the vision and he knew how to hire the right people to bring that vision to reality. He turned his failures into fodder for the reinvention of a dying Apple. And he had the drive and the determination to make all those "wrong" choices which made Apple the most valuable company on the planet today. He revolutionised 5 industries... that's not a trivial accomplishment.

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By stealing most of what they used.

It's not what you accomplish. It's HOW you accomplish it.

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LazarX wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:


2) I am fascinated by Kara's mortal persona being clumsy and mild-mannered. Clark does that, because Clark is trying to disguise himself, to appear the opposite of Superman. But Kara isn't trying to keep a secret identity. She just wants to live like a normal person. I understand that means "Don't go around throwing dumpsters over buildings." But why does that include glasses? Why the lack of self-confidence?

Every hear of "Left Hand Syndrome"? Many parents have a superstitious fear of left-handed children seeing left-handedness as a sign of the Devil, so they go to extreme lengths to force right-handedness including binding the left arm into immobility. The children wind up having all sorts of neurotic issues as a result of it.

Linda has a major case of this because she has been forcibly repressing her Kryptonian aspects. (So in certain ways maybe Clark was being genuinely clumsy because of his own efforts.)

Note of course that I should have said Her Cousin, since Clark, Superman, and several other proper nouns and noun combos are banned from the show because of IP issues. Which is the real reason why we have a black character named JAMES Olson.

If I remember correctly Hank Henshaw is the super villain who becomes the Cyborg Superman in the Reign of the Supermen.

Interestingly enough, episode 2 didn't seem to have the IP issues of pilot with all sorts of proper names flying around.

And hank henshaw had a red glowey eyes moment at the end of the episode and I'm not sure that it wasn't him talking to Astra at the end. Though she doesn't seem subtle enough to do that obvious double double after taunting him in the warehouse.

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Finally got around to watching the pilot, then followed it up with the new episode. I gotta say...

...meh.

The chick playing Supergirl certainly looks the part, and I love the dude playing Jimmy Olsen. They seem to have great chemistry. Other than that, the rest of the characters had me yawning. Exccept Cat Grant, whom I found to simply be self-centered and basically annoying. The other friend, whatever his name was, also kind of annoying.

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I found the idea of Kara's ship getting somehow sucked into the Phantom Zone, then mysteriously freed, kind of lame. And the crash and release of hundreds of alien criminals, including what seems to be at least 3 other Kryptonians...where the f#&% was Superman. What, he wouldn't have been hunting them down all this time?

Still, the special effects are pretty good. And the fights have been well done. I liked Hank Henshaw being thrown in the mix. Helen Slater and Dean Cain as Kara's adoptive parents was a nice touch.

I'll at least give it a few more chances, see if it starts to grow on me, but I'm not holding my breath.

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I liked a few moments. Plus Cat Grant gives good advice.


LazarX wrote:
Note of course that I should have said Her Cousin, since Clark, Superman, and several other proper nouns and noun combos are banned from the show because of IP issues.

Now, now. They have used the word "Superman" in the show. They're just establishing that this isn't his show, he's not going to be making guest appearances, and we should all get used to not hearing the name.

LazarX wrote:
If I remember correctly Hank Henshaw is the super villain who becomes the Cyborg Superman in the Reign of the Supermen.

Correct. Also, the friend Aberzombie found annoying is Winn Schott; Winslow Schott is the Superman villain Toyman.

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Hama wrote:

By stealing most of what they used.

It's not what you accomplish. It's HOW you accomplish it.

The merits and vices of Steve Jobs belong in another thread, but Apple gets a bum rap for "stealing" much of what they paid good coin to acquire, such as the license for the GUI from Xerox, which they're still paying today. And for all the theft they've supposed to have done, Google and Microsoft stole from them just as much, if not more. It's part and parcel of the tech game.

I remember this last because one of the signs of Commedore's money woes on the Amiga was Xerox suing them for license fee payment.


PLEASE TAKE YOUR POLITICS SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! We are here to discuss the SUPERGIRL show, not your political views.


Oh hey is this the Apple thread? I have some things I want to say about iTunes's new updates.

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EP2 was pretty good. I liked the black guy carrying a cryptonite dagger around.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Oh hey is this the Apple thread? I have some things I want to say about iTunes's new updates.

You forgot to read the EULA again, didn't you?

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LazarX wrote:
Note of course that I should have said Her Cousin, since Clark, Superman, and several other proper nouns and noun combos are banned from the show because of IP issues. Which is the real reason why we have a black character named JAMES Olson.

The names Superman, Jimmy Olson, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and Perry White have all been used on the show... in the first two episodes. Ergo, I'm not seeing much of a ban.

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LazarX wrote:
Hama wrote:

By stealing most of what they used.

It's not what you accomplish. It's HOW you accomplish it.

The merits and vices of Steve Jobs belong in another thread, but Apple gets a bum rap for "stealing" much of what they paid good coin to acquire, such as the license for the GUI from Xerox, which they're still paying today. And for all the theft they've supposed to have done, Google and Microsoft stole from them just as much, if not more. It's part and parcel of the tech game.

I remember this last because one of the signs of Commedore's money woes on the Amiga was Xerox suing them for license fee payment.

Thieves! They're all Thieves!

Although I did see an article the other day about how we should stop using the word "thief" because of racism or some s#~~ like that. All I could think was..."At last! We have an opening to push the word 'Rogue' into everyday use! Next up, 'alignment'!"

And I remember the Amiga. My parent's bought one for the house. I used to play Seven Cities of Gold on it. Fun times.


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LazarX wrote:
Note of course that I should have said Her Cousin, since Clark, Superman, and several other proper nouns and noun combos are banned from the show because of IP issues.

Now, now. They have used the word "Superman" in the show. They're just establishing that this isn't his show, he's not going to be making guest appearances, and we should all get used to not hearing the name.

LazarX wrote:
If I remember correctly Hank Henshaw is the super villain who becomes the Cyborg Superman in the Reign of the Supermen.
Correct. Also, the friend Aberzombie found annoying is Winn Schott; Winslow Schott is the Superman villain Toyman.

I think technically he is Winslow Schott Jr. His dad is apparently going to show up later this season as Toyman, based on casting rumors. Although I suppose he could also end up becoming a second version at some point.

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Junior needs to die. He getting in Jimmy's way.

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Oh come on who'd pick that dude over Jimmy? He's cool, confident, nice, polite, also ridiculously good looking...

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Yeah, but it's gonna be hard for Jimmmy and Kara to make sweet love by the fire if that little punk is constantly interrupting them.

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But this refined, approaching middle aged, James just doesn't have time for a full on fling with a 'kid' (albeit a circa 50ish (12k+24pz+12e) y/o kid). He's got to tie down that Ally McBeal love interest. Even though Cat is chronologically only a few years older than Kara, James has got to be looking up at that rich cougar with much more lust than his Best Friend's kid cousin. Afterall, we know that GenX'ers and Millennials don't get along on the best of terms.

Plus, with aliens on the planet, it is just a matter of time before the Omicronian leader Lrrr shows up for his Single Female Lawyer finale episode...


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But this refined, approaching middle aged, James just doesn't have time for a full on fling with a 'kid' (albeit a circa 50ish (12k+24pz+12e) y/o kid). He's got to tie down that Ally McBeal love interest. Even though Cat is chronologically only a few years older than Kara, James has got to be looking up at that rich cougar with much more lust than his Best Friend's kid cousin. Afterall, we know that GenX'ers and Millennials don't get along on the best of terms.

Plus, with aliens on the planet, it is just a matter of time before the Omicronian leader Lrrr shows up for his Single Female Lawyer finale episode...

~laughter~

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But James is like 30 tops.

And oh, yeah ~laughter :D~

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Like 30 tops? Lets assume Supes was 24 when Kara landed (based on the imperical data), and is 36 now. Assume Jimmy is +/- 2-5 years from Clark, we have him in the 39-31 range, which still fits "approaching middle aged", particularly if he was on the older end. The actor himself is 35, but Kara's actor is 27. If we apply the -3 years, we have 32, which *could* possibly be still young enough to reasonably pursue a 24 year old (none of my similarly aged peers in my circle would drop down to that young). HOWEVER. Using Clark's age as a measuring stick, we can give him an early 20's (say 21) timeline to start supering. Thats 15 years ago. At *minimum* that puts James at 33, because what newspaper worth their salt would employ a non-legal adult as a full time photog (DC universe, no Bugle, and PP was a freelancer most of the time)? So I'm giving it a solid decade age difference, which both reflects in his older actor and the gravitas with which the character carries himself.

It would be more helpful if the show would tell us how old Clark was when he started at the Planet, then we could get a better extrapolation for Jimmy's age.

Regardless, as someone who works with both GenX'ers and Millennials (and identifies poorly with both, 1984 FTW) on a daily basis, his portrayed age is solidly young GenX, which puts him at a 35+. YMMV, but I really don't see James putting down roots with the kid, even if she is super-powered eye candy.


Imagine the damage when you rock Kara's world, she knocks your head clean off. ;)


Turin the Mad wrote:
Imagine the damage when you rock Kara's world, she knocks your head clean off. ;)

Woman of Steel, Man of Kleenex?

Comic book physics generally handwaves that kind of thing away.


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Turin the Mad wrote:
Imagine the damage when you rock Kara's world, she knocks your head clean off. ;)

Woman of Steel, Man of Kleenex?

Comic book physics generally handwaves that kind of thing away.

Supergirl's probably going to be too nice about the concept anyway. ;)

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Not knowing very much of DC superman/girl stuff, the red eyes of hank made me think of martian manhunter.


Second episode was much better, hopefully the series will improve as it goes along.


That Knife has the potential to be a lot more than a "Hey humans can hurt us" warning

Kryptonians are in charge of these criminals because they are pretty much unkillable gods.

Introduce a Kryptonite Shiv into the mix and how many minions start thinking "Maybe I could be boss"


I am really liking some of the narrative decisions the show has made a concerted effort to push: namely Kara's desire to be her own kind of hero by trusting and welcoming help from her friends and sister, the show jettisoning any real possibility of forced angst in her keeping her identity a secret from Winn and James, and I'm especially pleased her aunt revealed herself already and isn't being used as an artificial drama-bomb for the mid-season finale.

All those things have been done as nauseum before in a host of other shows and it's both encouraging and refreshing to see Supergirl sidestep them with such immediacy.

Melissa Benoist and Mehcad Brooks, even just in the second episode are also flouting some considerable on-screen chemistry and my favorite scenes were, once again, scenes they shared.

Calista Flockheart's performances have also been notable.

All in all, I'm really pleased with this show and all the notes it's been trying to hit. It's not perfect, and there are a lot of things to improve upon (clunky writing chiefest among them) but for only being 2 episodes in I am enjoying it quite a bit.

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