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Muad'Dib wrote:

Why are pilots like awkward first dates?

The entire sub plot with Kara's Sister seemed very unnecessary and only serves as a way to feed her a villain of the week. Villain of the week seems so CW, I did not expect that with a bigger network,

But there is a lot to like. The actress playing Supergirl is fantastic. Jimmy Olsen's reveal later in the episode seemed a bit awkward from a script standpoint but the actor plays it off with charm. I'm completely sold on him as a Jimmy Olsen for the modern age.

As far as pilots go it was ok but I'm happy to have it behind me. Looking forward to more.

Isn't "villain of the week" a basic comic book tradition? Well, villain of the month really, but same difference.

It's also a pretty good way to have conflict in the early episodes while setting up longer term plot threads.


"Villain of the Week," like the "Case of the week" for procedurals or "Monster of the Week" for supernatural shows, is a way to make a show more episodic, which helps in syndication, as well as new viewers later in a show's running. A lot of successful shows combine that episodic "of the week" format with overarching meta-plots for a hybrid episodic/serial compromise.


When did the pilot air?

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Several months back, on teh Interwebs.


The pilot has yet to air. It was the teaser trailer that aired.

And here it is.

Teaser trailer # 2

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The pilot was leaked on the internet in May and was shown at Comic Con.

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Sooo, the pilot came out. Your thoughts?

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I enjoyed it, however you could tell that CBS didn't want to spend a lot of money on it, because the effects were super low budget. Like Syfy budget. My 3 year old daughter loved the half of the show with actual supergirl in it and ignored the half with Kara Danvers in it.

The general upbeat tone of it is much more reminiscent of the Smallville and Lois and Clark (Dean Cain in this for the win!) shows than the ultra dreary Nolanverse. I've not watched Arrow or Flash, but I understand the former is closer to the grimdark of the Nolanverse than the bright shiny National City we saw last night.

I also found it quite interesting that apparently the licensing rights to Supergirl preclude the show from saying "Superman." Because he was either Kal-El or "He" or "Him" or "The Man in Blue." It was obvious enough that my wife who was only half-paying attention noticed and commented on it.

Also, black Jimmy Olsen was awesome. Not having paid much attention to the casting ahead of time, I was really surprised when he said who he was (and found Kara's starstruck / smitten attitude adorable). Not to harp on the "PC Bro" bandwagon too much, but DC has like 0 black characters (ok, 1 of the 45 green lanterns is), so its nice to see a traditionally pasty ginger be black, even if its a tier 2 support character.


I enjoyed the show. It has a lot of room to grow and develop, and I'm hoping if it does well, they'll put more money into it for effects.

DC Comics has several black characters besides John Stewart, several of them mainstream. According to this list, there are over 100. A great many of them are main stream characters.


Not bad but didn't like the whole "evil aunt" thing.

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Its got to be an evil kin-folk or close relation or something. As we all well know, the El family was apparently the only kindly Krypton denizens // not megalomaniacs. All their step-half-inlaws (Aunt Astra was it?) are by definition evil as well as all of their business / government partners (Zod).


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Math doesn't seem to be Kara's strong suit. "24 years ago, my planet Krypton was in serious peril"..."the Phantom Zone, a region where time doesn't pass. I slept there for 24 years until somehow, I got here. When I arrived, I was still a 13 year old girl."

Since then, another...what, 10 years?...have passed. Which means if she was in the Phantom Zone for 24 years (measured in "outside" time) then Krypton was in serious peril 34 years ago. 24 years ago it was just so much debris.

That absurd nit-pick out of the way, I liked most of the show. Did not care for alpha male Jimmy; he should be good at his job and all, but if he's not something of a nerd/geek he doesn't feel like Jimmy Olsen.

Was less than thrilled about the evil aunt, as well as having to swallow (a) the notion that an entire prison full of superpowered Kryptonian criminals has been keeping a low profile on Earth for a decade, popping their heads up (despite having some long term big plan) only when Alura's kid goes public; and (b) that no one's bothered to tell Big Blue about Fort Rozz over the past 10 years? I get that Henshaw doesn't trust aliens, but it's just dumb not to use the wolf he knows against the wolves he doesn't know. How would Superman not know about that huge prison crashing anyway?

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Damon Griffin wrote:
That absurd nit-pick out of the way, I liked most of the show. Did not care for alpha male Jimmy; he should be good at his job and all, but if he's not something of a nerd/geek he doesn't feel like Jimmy Olsen.

I agree he should be more geeky, but I do like the actor playing him.

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as well as having to swallow (a) the notion that an entire prison full of superpowered Kryptonian criminals has been keeping a low profile on Earth for a decade, popping their heads up (despite having some long term big plan) only when Alura's kid goes public; and (b) that no one's bothered to tell Big Blue about Fort Rozz over the past 10 years? I get that Henshaw doesn't trust aliens, but it's just dumb not to use the wolf he knows against the wolves he doesn't know. How would Superman not know about that huge prison crashing anyway?

Here's my fan-lampshading of the situation (minor spoilers):

When the wormhole-thing from the Phantom Zone was opened, THREE things came out: Fort Rozz, Kara's spaceship, and a craft/containment device holding General Zod and his lackeys. Kal-El tracked the latter two, fighting General Zod and co (in whatever version of that conflict you want to imagine), and finding Kara and welcoming her to Earth and getting her set up. He did not find Fort Rozz and the DEO worked to keep it from him, much in the way they tried to keep Kara in the dark until her rise to herodom attracted the Fort Rozz prisoners' attention. They either feel threatened by or alternately uninterested in Kal-El so haven't gone out of their way to attract his attention--the pilot made clear they specifically made themselves known to Kara because they know she is Allura's daughter. (We also don't know what else might be keeping him preoccupied.)

The only reason Supergirl was made aware of it was because of the circumstances we saw unfold in the pilot: a) the prisoners are very specifically targeting Kara and otherwise keeping a low profile, and b) her sister is part of the DEO and eventually realized she needed to let Kara know what was really happen (and it even took her awhile to realize that was the best course of action).

While agree there's still some unanswered questions (like why doesn't Astra feel threatened by Kal-El's presence?), that is enough to allow me to handwave things until the show provides more information (which it may well do, given this was only the pilot).

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I REALLY enjoyed that!


Could we please have more Supergirl and less dump s**@. Seriously. The government agency was absurd, and the prison plot is both moronic and clumsy.


Personally I wish the series started with her being a kid raised by humans. Besides the girl they got to play the younger version looked more like the character then the actress for the current timeline.

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Caineach wrote:
Looks to me like they are placing it in the same universe as the Superman movies, which as far as I know are not linked to the CW shows.

I think that this is a universe of it's own which excludes the Superman from the current series of movies. The fallout from "Man of Steel" would pretty much have long scotched the idea of "keeping aliens secret".

Up until now...this was a world with only one superhero, which means no Batman, Arrow, Flash.


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Caineach wrote:
Looks to me like they are placing it in the same universe as the Superman movies, which as far as I know are not linked to the CW shows.

I think that this is a universe of it's own which excludes the Superman from the current series of movies. The fallout from "Man of Steel" would pretty much have long scotched the idea of "keeping aliens secret".

Up until now...this was a world with only one superhero, which means no Batman, Arrow, Flash.

After the first episode, I have to agree. That wasn't apparent a few months ago.


A lot of positive reaction here. I have mixed feelings about this show though.

The setup seems clunky. I mean the whole premise with an evil aunt, and a jail of kryptonian (or just space villains?) sent to earth.

Reminds me of some off brand show I used to watch where each week the protagonists had to retrieve another evil artifact and lock it away.

I thought the actress looked perfect for the role though. Of course we are going to have to ignore why everyone can't just see she is Supergirl.

Not that she has a problem telling just about anyone.

Some good things in this, but the writing will have to get better. Also wondering exactly why they used Toyman, or at least a guy with his name, in this.

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Having not seen the pilot but being interested in the show...

Is Supergirl as insecure as the commercials made it seem? All the previews gave me the feeling that the early parts of the show were going to be basically about our heroine needing other people to prop her up and give her some self-confidence.


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Having not seen the pilot but being interested in the show...

Is Supergirl as insecure as the commercials made it seem? All the previews gave me the feeling that the early parts of the show were going to be basically about our heroine needing other people to prop her up and give her some self-confidence.

Half and half I'd say. The worst part of the pilot IMO was the fact that half the people felt the need to tear her down for no remotely logical reason.

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sunbeam wrote:

The setup seems clunky. I mean the whole premise with an evil aunt, and a jail of kryptonian (or just space villains?) sent to earth.

Zod was at least an uncle to Superman once. I'm betting she's Ursa that got in charge after Superman dealt with Zod and she has a personal grudge with Kara and her sister. That's all pretty standard trope.

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I thought the actress looked perfect for the role though. Of course we are going to have to ignore why everyone can't just see she is Supergirl.

Well, the glasses worked for Clark Kent/Superman. I don't see how this could be a serious criticism about Supergirl other than it's a thing in the super family mythos.

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Not that she has a problem telling just about anyone.

She told one guy! =) Superman told James and her sister always knew and she told the DEO.

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Lissa Guillet wrote:

Well, the glasses worked for Clark Kent/Superman. I don't see how this could be a serious criticism about Supergirl other than it's a thing in the super family mythos.

The glasses generally showed how unperceptive Clark Kent's best friends were. The best moments of the old TV show were the occasional conspirative wink that George Reeves would throw across the fourth wall as the closing shot of an episode.

With today's omnipresent cameras and face matching tech? Danvers doesn't have a chance of remaining hidden.

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Show is ok. I like the fast pace here, as I would not care for 4 seasons of "learning her powers." I liked Axe Guy. Too bad he went all samurai on himself. Not really feeling the "alien hunter gov org". Their leader must have sat too long on a block of ice as a child for not wanting to use Supergirl and risk the lives of regular folks against these other aliens. I'm annoyed at the absence of Superman in the show (again, lawyers not making something awesome) and at her absence of knowledge of other heroes or acting as if they don't exist as a solution to things. This is getting old in a lot of shows, including Marvel Agents of Shield. Flash/Arrow seem to get the idea of a shared world better.

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LazarX wrote:
With today's omnipresent cameras and face matching tech? Danvers doesn't have a chance of remaining hidden.

Agreed, and a totally fresh approach would have been her showing up in Ally McBeal's office, closing the door and blinds, and start hovering in her face! i.e. "*I'M* Supergirl, boss, so you can say your paper will now get an exclusive, as long as you stop sending me on coffee runs and give some decent assignments? deal? oh, and I don't work Fridays."

Instead, we'll have to suffer the nasty boss routine and the "I'm a super alien yet I am humble to the world" approach once again, like that's never been done...

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I enjoyed it as a pilot, but felt there was room for better scripts going forward, especially now that they got the origin story out of the way. It certainly wasn't as strong a first episode as arrow, flash, or daredevil.

I'm also curious just what universe this takes place in. Same producers as arrow and flash, and in earlier interviews, they did indicate that a crossover could occur - even though the world of Supergirl doesn't seem to have heroes other than Superman, and neither arrow or flash have mentioned superman being around. Possibly they could be connected through a wormhole like Flash now has with Earth-2.


Ally McBeal was a great mean boss, though. It was fun to see her again.

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Calista Flockhart was great! Perfect mean girl boss. Going for much more of J. Jonah Jameson type boss than a Perry White boss.


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Show is ok. I like the fast pace here, as I would not care for 4 seasons of "learning her powers." I liked Axe Guy. Too bad he went all samurai on himself. Not really feeling the "alien hunter gov org". Their leader must have sat too long on a block of ice as a child for not wanting to use Supergirl and risk the lives of regular folks against these other aliens.

My guess is there is more than meets the eye going on with the DOE division. Especially since the head guy in the comics is/becomes a major superman villain.

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ah, I see... your DC-Fu is infinitely better than mine, for I have never touched a DC comic (although I will watch DC movies, and did watch Smallville, and now watch Gotham... I could not get into Arrow and Flash though)

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Really loved flash. Arrow and Gotham almost felt embarassed at being a super hero show and Flash was the first DC property I've seen in a long to time just embrace the comic genre. It was a breath of fresh air to me and I just can't get into the dark and gritty stuff. ^_^

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Lissa Guillet wrote:
Really loved flash. Arrow and Gotham almost felt embarassed at being a super hero show and Flash was the first DC property I've seen in a long to time just embrace the comic genre. It was a breath of fresh air to me and I just can't get into the dark and gritty stuff. ^_^

Arrow is getting better.

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Daredevil though... so good. It's the reason why I stopped forcing myself to watch Arrow and Flash... ;)

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Arrow feels like a half hour show stuck in an hour time slot--the episodes have some enjoyable bits but they draaaaaaaaaaag.

Supergirl was fun, and loved that it didn't get bogged down by mythology. I thought it was a little clunky in spots, but I felt the same way about The Flash's premier, so I'm sure they'll iron out the kinks over time.


Arrow is definitely trying to be more fun nowadays...I think early Arrow was still very much testing the waters and wasn't too sure if a heavy comics approach would net ratings.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Arrow is definitely trying to be more fun nowadays...I think early Arrow was still very much testing the waters and wasn't too sure if a heavy comics approach would net ratings.

I thought I read somewhere the goal of Arrow was to turn 'Bat-arrow' into the more fun loving Olie from the comics.


Did not enjoy. It was too much in one episode. They gave away the entire story in one episode! No intrigue, just "here's the bad guys". I didn't mind the campy (I mean, it's Supergirl after all), but the "he totally pwned my ass" then less than a day later "I totally pwned his ass" was tired before it started. Might watch a few more to give it a chance, but was disappointed with the pilot.


Arrow is going to have Constantine (and the same actor. I love continuity, especially where its unexpected). I am giddy with anticipation. That show didn't get a fair shake.

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A couple of notes:

1) Where did Kara learn how to throw a punch? Realistically, Supergirl should be pretty hapless in a fight, relying entirely on her powers.

2) I am fascinated by Kara's mortal persona being clumsy and mild-mannered. Clark does that, because Clark is trying to disguise himself, to appear the opposite of Superman. But Kara isn't trying to keep a secret identity. She just wants to live like a normal person. I understand that means "Don't go around throwing dumpsters over buildings." But why does that include glasses? Why the lack of self-confidence?


1) Why wouldn't Kara know how to throw a punch. I know a few girls that hit harder than the boys. Rousey would be one I wouldn't want to have throw a punch at me.


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1) Why wouldn't Kara know how to throw a punch. I know a few girls that hit harder than the boys. Rousey would be one I wouldn't want to have throw a punch at me.

Because she has almost certainly never done so. Not with any force behind it.

Because she has Kryptonian strength and would absolutely pulverize anything she actually hit.

OTOH, the same applies to Superman and it's a basic comic book convention that the supertypes can function.


1.) There was a very brief scene showing her doing some pseudo-sparring with her adopted sister.

There is also the possibility that her famous cousin may have shown her how to not smoosh everything without thinking...


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Randarak wrote:

I enjoyed the show. It has a lot of room to grow and develop, and I'm hoping if it does well, they'll put more money into it for effects.

DC Comics has several black characters besides John Stewart, several of them mainstream. According to this list, there are over 100. A great many of them are main stream characters.

this is the most hilariously optimistic statements I have ever read.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Arrow is definitely trying to be more fun nowadays...I think early Arrow was still very much testing the waters and wasn't too sure if a heavy comics approach would net ratings.
I thought I read somewhere the goal of Arrow was to turn 'Bat-arrow' into the more fun loving Olie from the comics.

Well, there's some meta there, since Green Arrow was originally just Batman with a different gimmick.


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I won't be watching.

The trailer takes a swing at a political commentator (gosh, was a it commentator from the left?) in the first five seconds.

Pass.

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Randarak wrote:
Arrow is going to have Constantine (and the same actor. I love continuity, especially where its unexpected). I am giddy with anticipation. That show didn't get a fair shake.

ok. Post here to let me know when that happens. Constantine is my favorite thing ever put to the screen by DC.


Constantine was great!

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Tarondor wrote:

I won't be watching.

The trailer takes a swing at a political commentator (gosh, was a it commentator from the left?) in the first five seconds.

Pass.

What. Seriously? That must be the lamest excuse not to watch a show ever.

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Hama wrote:
Tarondor wrote:

I won't be watching.

The trailer takes a swing at a political commentator (gosh, was a it commentator from the left?) in the first five seconds.

Pass.

What. Seriously? That must be the lamest excuse not to watch a show ever.

Polarization of the masses leads to narrow-mindedness like this. Pick a party is no longer enough: you must now choose the whole life package that comes with it, including the type of food you eat, the religion you choose and whether or not you think evolution and climate change are real.


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Randarak wrote:

I enjoyed the show. It has a lot of room to grow and develop, and I'm hoping if it does well, they'll put more money into it for effects.

DC Comics has several black characters besides John Stewart, several of them mainstream. According to this list, there are over 100. A great many of them are main stream characters.

this is the most hilariously optimistic statements I have ever read.

Yours is the most annoyingly unnecessary comment I have ever read.

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