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CBDunkerson wrote:
What Lillian said was that she and Lena were the only Luthors left. That could just mean, 'left free to carry on our glorious genocidal plans'.

But when she said it, she was in prison. Granted she had an escape plan. But if she could escape, why couldn't the smartest member of the family?


Green,

Maybe because Lex might be in a coma? I dunno.

Also yes I'm aware of Howie doing that. However I never liked that one as much as the animated Myx.


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Still better than Smallville.

Also, this pretty boy version seems more like Vartox. Certainly more like him than the version from the pilot.


Eh, pretty boy Vartox is a trope I was happy to see go.


I either want Jimmy to win something... or retire. I'm getting really tired of all the whining about how he 'Can TOTALLY do this Guardian thing!!!' only to see him REPEATEDLY get his butt handed to him. He is so far out of his league that I can't believe they expect us to side with HIM over Supergirl...


Phantom,

Yeah he really is fighting outside his weight class with Supergirl's rogue gallery.

It might work better if he fought someone like Arrow's non-metas.


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Phantom,

Yeah he really is fighting outside his weight class with Supergirl's rogue gallery.

It might work better if he fought someone like Arrow's non-metas.

Exactly. They need to show him beating the holy crap out of some muggers and preventing future Batmen or some drug dealers or something... That may be believable. However the last two time I remember him going out he's knocked unconscious and has to be carried out by someone else... then whines about how she's wrong to be worried about his safety!!

Wynn's a LITTLE better since he stays in the van and acknowledges his limitations... But if you want the audience to side with Jimmy... they need to show some little girl grateful to Guardian for saving her mommy and daddy from the bad guy with the gun while Supergirl was busy fighting a giant robot or something...

She can't be everywhere and there's a lot of people saving that he can do...


Phantom,

Trouble is so far the focus has been either romance or fighting within Supergirl's weight class. I don't see how they can tone it down without making it seem like Supergirl isn't actually the main lead.

But I do think more street based stuff and/or maybe some technical stuff would be neat for EITHER of those two characters.

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Tonight's episode was....interesting.

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I thought the dude playing Mxyzptlk did a good job, with just the right amount of annoying yet very powerful being. He also reminded me a bit of Pepé Le Pew. I just wish they'd have given some of the other Valentine's stuff a rest so he could have had more time to work his mischief.

I was glad to see Mon-El using a bit more of his powers. I'm not sure if he had jumped to the fight with parasite, or flew. Then I thought it looked like he did a bit of super speed attack. Either way, I'm looking forward to him developing his powers more before (I'm guessing) he get's stuck in the Phantom Zone. Then maybe we can see a future time travel episode with Mon-El and the Legion.


I don't know what species that woman is, but she isn't from Starhaven.

I'm betting Teri Hatcher is one of the aliens hunting Mon-El.


I did like last nights episode, it was easily one of the better ones this season.


I liked this episode, but I still miss Bowler hat, cigar smoking, Gilbert Gottfried type Myx. This one was smooth but a little TOO smooth.

Still a great episode.

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I agree with Thomas in theory. I like the classic look, but this was really different version anyway, more like charming lothario than impish maniac. I liked it, though. Actor was lot of fun, but the costume was bit boring. It would have been fun to see him wear a bowler at the end though.

But the episode was fun anyway. I laughed at multiple points. I laughed when Supergirl drinked orange juice in front of Myx.

"Honey, where's the flowers? The dress? Cocktail wieners?"


Ros,

I like the lothario idea but not so much as it relates to Myx. But even so it was a pretty awesome episode after some meh ones.

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This Myx seemed more like John Delancy as Q than Myx. But I still enjoyed the episode.


Imb,

There was a certain Q-ness to him, no question.


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In fairness, Q was heavily inspired by Trelane, who wasn't all that unlike Myx.


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I'm a little torn... on the one hand, he really didn't seem like Myx at all. It was a fun episode, but it wasn't really Myx.

on the other hand, it REALLY felt like an old fashioned silver age romp with the star fending off suitors right and left... and that was fun. This season seems to have gotten more serious and been a bit of a disappointment... especially after those GLORIOUS Superman episodes in the beginning... but this was back to 'fun'.


I'm with Phantom.

We need more fun episodes. I liked this week's ep fine...but after Myx's little romp it felt...dry.

But we'll see.


They really turned Manhunter into a little b&!$& in this series.

All the powers of Superman and then some and he's taken out in a prolonged fight by a normal dude with one metal arm.


Sun,

Maybe it had fire on it...


What is the current status with the Supergirl series and the Legion of Super-Heroes? Have they done anything with it yet?

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The mention of Mon-el's father in this episode supports a guess I've had that Sorbo and Hatcher will be playing Mon-el's parents... rulers of Daxam and thus probably not big fans of Kryptonians.

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Sundakan wrote:

They really turned Manhunter into a little b*$## in this series.

All the powers of Superman and then some and he's taken out in a prolonged fight by a normal dude with one metal arm.

Yeah, that was a little on the WTF? side. The whole thing did make me wonder.....

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......if there were other "enhancements" done to Jeremiah. J'onn said something about not being able to read his mind. I'd guess some kind of tech to jam his telepathy could have been included in the arm, but it seems it would make more sense to have more than just an enhanced arm.

Of course, more enhancements might have been easier for the DOE to detect, unlike the entire cybernetic arm they missed. Now that he's been "found out" though, maybe they will enhance him further.


DEO Security:

That was something I meant to mention as well. How the f#~# do you inspect someone's arm for nerve damage and not detect "Oh yeah. It's METAL". Somebody needs to revoke her doctor's license, since she can't tell the difference between organic and inorganic materials.

Yeah it has a thin film of skin over it but geez.


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there was, even for a CW superhero show, and exceptional amount of idiot ball juggling in this episode.


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How do you find your adopted dad, see he's injured, and not use x-ray vision to check him out? (thus finding all the implants).

I also have a theory, regarding the DEO and "security". That massive multi-building complex they show? The DEO occupies a couple at the top of one tower, and some underground level(s). And has about 12 personnel.

If the rest of that is DEO, the other 98% of the complex, and personnel, are under Lucy, and are - for some reason - completely independent of the bunch we see.

This is supposed to be a top secret agency. But they let a random police detective in the front door, without a guest lanyard, and let her find her way to the "lobby" at the top of the building. And they wonder how White Martians got in?

If I were involved with the show, one of those background agents would always be seen escorting guests into the scene. No need for them to talk (upping the actor's pay), but it would be 1000% less moronic.


I'm kind of with Green. The security for a top level Government building isn't anywhere NEAR as secure as it could be.

I also don't get how it got past Alex that her dad's arm wasn't organic.

As for why J'onn couldn't read Jeremiah's mind, my guess is like everyone, some kind of cybernetic implant that apparently is undetectable by normal means. Maybe. I dunno.

Logic in this show has proven quite...spotty to say the least.


I've never been a fan of Alex from the moment the show started... but good heaven did I want to see her hit by the train this episode.

Ohhh... you're the least bit suspicious of dad showing up despite working with a shapeshifting telepath... Well I guess you're out of the family then!!

For such a high ranking member of earth's first line of defense... She's just... TERRIBLE.

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It's called emotional terrorism. The best way to plant a mole is someone to whom all involved parties have such an intense emotional connection, they throw up emotional blinders. If I kidnapped someone you loved, when you got them back you wouldn't ask questions. Not for at least a few weeks in most cases.

Even J'onn as a telepath didn't notice immediately, because of two things. The first is respecting his privacy as he does everyone else, and knowing that someone who'd been through 2 years of torture would have a lot of deep stuff going on, he'd likely put up a block to not accidentally trespass on Jeremiah's mind. The second is that even he was played emotionally. Your first human friend, the first person to ever trust you, the man to whom you swore an oath to protect his daughters as your own, returns, you want it to be true. Strongly enough not to question it.

It's why the only people initially willing to even entertain the idea, had no emotional attachment to him, and in Mon El's case, grew up somewhere where lying, subterfuge and screwing people over is a way of life.

People believe things for one of two reasons. They already fear that it's true, or they desperately want it to be true. Masterfully played.

As for Alex's reaction, yes it's irrational, family can make you irrational. That wasn't second in command of the DEO talking, it was the girl who wanted nothing more than her dad back.


Another question, much like Legends, they have weapons that can stun or incapacitate. When going after someone you want to take alive, clearly you only bring lethal ordnance. 8)

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After the tree dropped in front of her she gave chase with only her sidearm....her nifty alien hand cannon.


Mark Thomas 66 wrote:

It's called emotional terrorism. The best way to plant a mole is someone to whom all involved parties have such an intense emotional connection, they throw up emotional blinders. If I kidnapped someone you loved, when you got them back you wouldn't ask questions. Not for at least a few weeks in most cases.

Even J'onn as a telepath didn't notice immediately, because of two things. The first is respecting his privacy as he does everyone else, and knowing that someone who'd been through 2 years of torture would have a lot of deep stuff going on, he'd likely put up a block to not accidentally trespass on Jeremiah's mind. The second is that even he was played emotionally. Your first human friend, the first person to ever trust you, the man to whom you swore an oath to protect his daughters as your own, returns, you want it to be true. Strongly enough not to question it.

It's why the only people initially willing to even entertain the idea, had no emotional attachment to him, and in Mon El's case, grew up somewhere where lying, subterfuge and screwing people over is a way of life.

People believe things for one of two reasons. They already fear that it's true, or they desperately want it to be true. Masterfully played.

As for Alex's reaction, yes it's irrational, family can make you irrational. That wasn't second in command of the DEO talking, it was the girl who wanted nothing more than her dad back.

Then she should be relieved of duty. She is not just a scared little girl who wants her daddy back... she is still second in command of the DEO. She's too emotionally involved with anything regarding Cadmus... She's inviting her girlfriend to the top secret government projects... and of course the publicly outing Kara not only to her girlfriend but to every lowly desk monkey at the DEO. She's really just TERRIBLE.

I wasn't a fan of her in the first season... but this one she's just a basket case and liability in just about everything.

One of the major problems with this show... is that they want to treat it like a High School teen drama, when these people are legitimately adults who need to deal with their responsibilities. Even Buffy and the gang grew up and they had to create some new kids to have all the angst.
This isn't smallville.

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Honestly if it weren't for the fact that Alex and Kara are the two most capable agents, I would agree that where Jeremiah is concerned, they should have been relieved of duty. And she owes Mon El a massive apology. In terms of Maggie, it could be considered inter departmental cooperation based on her previous assistance with the city's alien underbelly.

I disagree with you on the rest and with your assessment of Alex in general though.


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They keep trying to make Mon-El look like the bad guy in this relationship because he keeps spitting truth.

Mon-El: "Kara, Mxylptlk is REAL BAD NEWS you need to get rid of him ASAP I'm not kidding."

Kara: "Don't tell me what to do Mon-El I don't need you protecting me!"

*Mxy does bad things*

Kara: "I forgive you for disrespecting me Mon-El, don't do it again."

Me: ??????????????????????????????

Mon-El: "Kara can we please do a little vetting on your dad before giving him full access to our top secret base. Something seems off."

Kara: "F~*@ you Mon-El, why don't you want me to be happy! God!"

*Mon-El is right again*

Kara: "It's okay Mon-El I forgive you for disrespecting me again."

Me: *Beats head against wall to make the pain stop*

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In this case I think once the pain passes they'll admit he was right though.

Paranoia isn't a bad thing all the time.

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Sundakan wrote:

They keep trying to make Mon-El look like the bad guy in this relationship because he keeps spitting truth.

Mon-El: "Kara, Mxylptlk is REAL BAD NEWS you need to get rid of him ASAP I'm not kidding."

Kara: "Don't tell me what to do Mon-El I don't need you protecting me!"

*Mxy does bad things*

Kara: "I forgive you for disrespecting me Mon-El, don't do it again."

Me: ??????????????????????????????

Mon-El: "Kara can we please do a little vetting on your dad before giving him full access to our top secret base. Something seems off."

Kara: "F$!# you Mon-El, why don't you want me to be happy! God!"

*Mon-El is right again*

Kara: "It's okay Mon-El I forgive you for disrespecting me again."

Me: *Beats head against wall to make the pain stop*

And, what's worse, the secret he's keeping from her will eventually be used to justify the crappy way she treats him.


Absolutely. Because Supergirl is a racist. She's decided he's "one of the good ones" but him being revealed as one of the royal family (a roughly 90% chance here) will make him absolutely the wooorrrssstttt.

Who's supposed to be the hero again?


It would be nice if the Supergirl writers knew the difference between a monitor and a computer. Last season we had Jimmy and Wynn "hacking" a CatCo executive's email by Jimmy placing a bug in the exec's monitor (instead of Wynn just pulling the email off the server.) This episode we had Jeremiah placing a very literal-looking bug on the outside of a monitor, and then shooting up said monitors to "destroy the mainframe." All you did was cost them maybe a grand in LCDs and a trip to Best Buy, there Sparky.


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I'm with Kal, it was dumb of Jeremiah to just shoot it. But maybe he was trying to keep his word AND still screw over CADMUS.

We STILL don't know all the details folks. It could be that even though he's following CADMUS' orders (or rather Lillian's), he could still be a kind of triple agent of sorts.

I will agree that Alex had a blindspot for her father, but much like people I know, we all have weak spots for people we care deeply about.

Mon is still a jerk.

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Kalshane wrote:
It would be nice if the Supergirl writers knew the difference between a monitor and a computer. Last season we had Jimmy and Wynn "hacking" a CatCo executive's email by Jimmy placing a bug in the exec's monitor (instead of Wynn just pulling the email off the server.) This episode we had Jeremiah placing a very literal-looking bug on the outside of a monitor, and then shooting up said monitors to "destroy the mainframe." All you did was cost them maybe a grand in LCDs and a trip to Best Buy, there Sparky.

As for the exec, most office computers nowadays are just a monitor, everything is stuffed in the back.

As for Jeremiah shooting up the hub, I think that he was just trying to delay them seeing what he did.


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I was objecting more to Jeremiah shooting the monitors, rather than the actual computer systems. I understand the "why" for him shooting things up, it was just the how that struck me as silly.

I realize all-in-ones do exist (though I personally haven't seen them in an office environment) but the whole "Let's bug his computer" deal was dumb to begin with. Wynn was established as CatCo's (apparently only) IT guy and could have easily pulled the exec's email off their mail server directly. (Unless CatCo uses something like Gmail instead of an in-house system.) There's also the fact in that same episode that CatCo's "email archives" were apparently all printed off onto paper and shoved into boxes in a storeroom, which is a patently ridiculous method of maintaining them.

I realize in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter (and still doesn't beat NCIS having two people trying to type on the same keyboard at the same time to stop a hacker) just one of those things that bug me.


Kal,

That one DOES have the top of "That's now it works!' trope that needs to die.

I still don't think Mon has much redeemable about him YET.

Well that and he can't fly...

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He's basically original Superman. Strong, fast, huge jumps but not really Superman/Supergirl class.

Actually he's like a less angry Young Justice Superboy.


Mark,

Well there is that. Though I keep waiting for YJ Superboy to find a way to truly cut loose. Same for Mon right now.

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So first Arrow took a kind of vague look at gun control the importance of talking about political problems rather than shying away from them. Now Supergirl had an episode about how 'fake news could put a fascist in the White House' and super villains were rounding up innocent refugees to send them back to war, famine, and genocide.

Wonder if this political commentary is a new trend for the shows or just a few one offs. They've done a fairly good job of integrating it into the stories, though being a bit too obvious that they are 'sharing a message here'.

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Holy cow Kevin Sorbo.

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Decent, but still more misses than hits...

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The Hits
I love this interpretation of Snapper Carr. He is the idealized journalist - completely neutral, only interested in facts, just wanting to give people the information so they can decide for themselves. Doesn't want what he does (or does not do) leading to some would-be tyrant in charge. In other words, completely unlike probably 95% (or more) of actual journalists. Plus, he's very curmudgeonly. I like that.

Watching him fire Kara for being a dumbass was just icing on the cake.

The plot by Cadmus was sufficiently epic and worthy of a super-villain organization. And I loved the name-drop of Takron-Galtos. I still would love to see Mama Luthor punched in the face, though. That actress has done a really good job of making me dislike her.

The Misses
That was a big ship to hide, though. I'm guessing they must have some sweet cloaking tech, probably off-world in origin. For an organization with a very specific focus for their hate, they sure love using the technology provided by the object of their agression.

I guessing, though, that Superman was off-world again. Otherwise, this would have been a far easier plot to thwart.

Maybe it's just me, but Cyborg Superman has gone toe-to-toe with Supergirl. Seems to me, his punches would have done way more damage to Jeremiah's squishy parts. Unless JD is far more enhanced than just the arm.....

J'onn was absolutely right to do what he did to Alex. She was allowing emotion to cloud her judgement, and ultimately proved that by going rogue. So, of course, he had to be made to apologize. also, if that gun she uses is so f*$*ing awesome, why don't they make more of them and have them standard issue?

Good to see that next episode might finally lead to Mon-El being more than window dressing. Sadly, it also seems they are continuing with the "Mon-El breaths, pisses Kara off, but she nobly forgives him" type of story. It's like they're all ready married.

Sad, but not surprising, to see that they quickly introduced Jimmy as Guardian then resolved any controversy about it so he can also become mere window-dressing.

If all those aliens are, according to Cadmus, so f&+*ing dangerous, then why were they all so damned easy to catch?

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Hama wrote:
Holy cow Kevin Sorbo.

And Teri Hatcher, looking kind of rough, though. Maybe it was just bad lighting....


I'm assuming the DEO hasn't had time to reverse-engineer Alex's gun yet. (She did get it off an alien planet, after all.)

Considering Alex has gone toe-to-toe with Kryptonians in her battle suit and not ended up completely destroyed despite it leaving large parts of her body uncovered (including her head) the show as a whole doesn't really worry about the effects super strength would have on the human body provided there's some method of making the recipient "super-powered" to some degree. It's annoying, but it's consistent.

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