Supergirl


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When Kara met 'Supergirl' in Cat's office, Cat (as usual) called her "Keara", and then 'Supergirl' said 'Nice to meet you "Kara"'.

That was an obvious tip off that the two actually knew each other and were only pretending to be meeting for the first time. From there to, 'oh they planned this to throw me off' is a teeny little leap of logic... especially with shape changers and Bizarro Supergirl showing up shortly thereafter.


In any superhero show, it's easy to point out reasons WHY someone should see through a secret identity. WE already know... so it's easy to point out how dumb everyone else is for not putting the pieces together.

However, I like the trope. I really enjoy the lame excuses trying to protect the 'other' life and it irks me when everyone and anyone instantly knows 'the secret'... So personally, I REALLY hope J'onn was able to fool her.


Damon Griffin wrote:

The crowd rescue was a bit much. It was much more organic and believable in Spiderman 2...though of course there the subway riders weren't risking anything.

I did like ** spoiler omitted **

I didn't have an issue with the city rising up to help her. After the red K bit, I liked the idea.

HOWEVER... it annoyed me that it happened in THIS episode. Not only should supergirl be able to handle both villains without help.... but FLASH was there too. I would have preferred that in a Flash Crossover, that Flash would be a deciding factor in the fight... any fight.

Frankly the most important thing he did in this episode.. was give her ice cream. (And seriously, I LOVED that happy squeal from her when it happened :D :D )


Well it's not ANYONE who figured it out. It's Cat Grant. She 'made' Supergirl after all, and you don't get to be the head of a media empire (and an accomplished journalist in her own right) by having dull instincts and not being perceptive.

She's worked with Kara for two years, and despite the disinterested and self-absorbed façade, she pays attention to the people who work for her, how they act, and how they're useful.

It's not hard to put the pieces together when your personal assistant, who has rarely or never been late, sick, or otherwise anything but on point all the time suddenly starts going missing at convenient tines during the day when a superheroine with strikingly similar physical features is saving the day.

I'd feel it was a betrayal of the character if she didn't know.


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Ehhhh... same could be said for Perry White or JJ Jameson or any of the other successful, clever, intelligent people in a superhero's life.

In this show, they already made her ID known to her sister, J'onn J'onnz, Jimmy Olsen, Winn... Probably all the DEO... Max Lord... Barry Allen... and probably someone I missed.

Flash is another one fighting for 'worst kept secret ID.' Anyone with a mild interest is gonna find out... friends OR Enemies...


Anyone else think Silver Banshee looked ridiculous? I couldn't take her seriously, and I'm pretty accepting of most silly costumes for superhero stories.

Anyway, it was fun to see Barry in this one. I much prefer him having fun and being sunny to the more angsty Barry that too often shows up in his own show.


I actually was okay with Silver Banshee's design. I did notice however that Live-wire's make-up seemed a bit "off" at times, like a bit too obviously make up.

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I think that the secret identity schtick is so spent and worn out and pointless in the age of 4K telephone cameras.

So when Tony Stark stepped and said "I am Iron Man". I cheered.


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phantom1592 wrote:
Ehhhh... same could be said for Perry White or JJ Jameson or any of the other successful, clever, intelligent people in a superhero's life.

I disagree. A personal assistant is generally much more available than essentially any other working relationship. A reporter (Clark Kent) or freelancer (Peter Parker) has a good reason to be away from the office at random and unexpected times. Kara might need to deal with logistics that are beneath Cat's notice sometimes, but her movements don't have anywhere near the independence of the others.


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

Anyone else think Silver Banshee looked ridiculous? I couldn't take her seriously, and I'm pretty accepting of most silly costumes for superhero stories.

Anyway, it was fun to see Barry in this one. I much prefer him having fun and being sunny to the more angsty Barry that too often shows up in his own show.

Actually I liked the way Banshee's getup came out. It reflects that she doesn't have the mega resources of a Stark, a Wayne, or a major corporation supplying her gear.. It's a costume put together by an amateur who's not in the best of mental shapes right now.

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Silver Banshee looks very much like she looks in the comics

I loved that.


I know she looks like the comics, I just didn't like the look.


Berinor wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Ehhhh... same could be said for Perry White or JJ Jameson or any of the other successful, clever, intelligent people in a superhero's life.
I disagree. A personal assistant is generally much more available than essentially any other working relationship. A reporter (Clark Kent) or freelancer (Peter Parker) has a good reason to be away from the office at random and unexpected times. Kara might need to deal with logistics that are beneath Cat's notice sometimes, but her movements don't have anywhere near the independence of the others.

This, though I wouldn't particular care IF those people did figure it out. At a certain point it stretches incredulity for no logical reason.

I LIKE that Flash and Supergirl bring a lot of people into the fold (when it makes sense, at least).

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Is anyone else reading the tie-in comic by Sterling Gates?


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Cori Marie wrote:
Is anyone else reading the tie-in comic by Sterling Gates?

Didn't even know there was one. Is it good?

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If it costs money, no.


I didn't get to see this week's episode but did

Spoiler:
Maxima
do anything interesting?

Also I heard a rumor that

Spoiler:
Supergirl actually got to talk to Superman in person instead of online. Is that true?


Nope aaaand nope!
Alas.


Kind of a lame episode. Basic plot is fine but so much of the character interaction is bad. and again, Alex is just effing stupid and should never be let out of the house. Unlike Felicity and Skye, other characters I despise from superhero shows, she isn't even useful. Her only worthwhile moment was killing Astra and even that is debatable. Here she proves once again she is a burden to everyone.


I actually like Alex, but I agree she was holding the Idiot Ball in this episode.

Found it to be a meh episode overall. Way too much time spent with Non and Indigo chewing scenery, Maxima's cameo was pointless and the fact that the woman whose name we literally learned two minutes before was going to be one to die was laughably obvious.

The Supergirl, Max and Cat scenes were good, though.


Alex is sharing the Idiot Ball with Non. He may have been following Astra out of choice/devotion, but now he's just following Indigo with no clue to her very obvious manipulations of him.

Granted, he hasn't bowed to her every whim yet, but he really seems oblivious to her efforts in that direction, or that she has her own "rule the universe" agenda for Myriad.

If Supergirl can make him see this, perhaps he'll break with Indigo, abandon Myriad, and run off to Almerac with Maxima and have lots of statistically average children.*

*"Maxima" = the most + "Non" = nothing; take an average of the two.


All I know is two things: Skye is much better now that's Daisy. Not greatly better, but way better to be sure. Secondly, they completely wasted using Maxima in this show so far.

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I think Non is just an idiot. It's not a case of him "holding the idiot ball", he's just not a smart guy to begin with, so he's completely in character.

Agree the death was dumb when it was a character we have never seen before. Would have been smarter to have her in a half dozen office scenes throughout the season.

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Episode finally gave us a solid explanation for why Astra and Non weren't worried about Superman disrupting their plans. I also thought it was funny that they finally used the 'Superman is unavailable off-world' trope... and then immediately had him come back and get neutralized anyway.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Episode finally gave us a solid explanation for why Astra and Non weren't worried about Superman disrupting their plans. I also thought it was funny that they finally used the 'Superman is unavailable off-world' trope... and then immediately had him come back and get neutralized anyway.

Our running joke was that Kal-El was going to wind up bouncing off the Copyright Barrier. While it's been teased, it's worth noting that in the entire series, we've never seen (and most likely never will) Superman's face.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Episode finally gave us a solid explanation for why Astra and Non weren't worried about Superman disrupting their plans.

I thought the explanation was pretty weak. Living among/raised by humans for 30+ years makes you fully susceptible to Myriad; living among/raised by humans for 12 years and you remain completely immunized.

So Superman's brain chemistry has been altered by his longer time here? or by going through puberty on Earth instead of Krypton?

Used on Krypton, Myriad would have worked on Kryptonians. Used on Earth, it's doesn't work against most of them. It can't be the yellow-sun radiation boost that protects them, because Superman has that. It must be that Myriad was recalibrated for use on humans; that would support J'onn's immunity to the effect.

But recalibrated how: for the human mind, or the human brain? The latter seems more plausible; we don't all think alike, but we all have the same hardware. But Superman doesn't have a human brain, no matter how long he's been here.

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They had to get him out of the picture somehow. But I agree it is horribly contrived.


I understand they can't have him off in space every time something big comes up, but I think they'd do better just to quit mentioning him so often.

Superman's big issue for a long time was accepting that he can't save everyone. Assuming he's done that in the CBS universe, the only reason he needs for not rushing off to National City every other week is that he's doing something else and knows Kara is competent.

After all, in the comics he's not rushing off to Gotham City, (his own) Central City, Opal City, etc. all the time. Other heroes have those cities covered. They'll call if they need him. (And if they do, that's one more reason he can't be there for Kara.)

He'd also know (again, assuming he's reached this point himself) that Kara will need to come to her own realization that she can't save everyone. Him just telling her so won't be enough*. She needs space to come to that realization on her own.

*Cat's comment could help there: "Just be Supergirl. That's all anyone has ever needed from you."

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Damon Griffin wrote:
So Superman's brain chemistry has been altered by his longer time here? or by going through puberty on Earth instead of Krypton?

I didn't think it was anything like that. Rather, Max's 'Saturday morning cartoons' comment was exactly where I assumed they were going with it... shared developmental experience / background. Myriad works by targeting a set of common experiences. Maybe using those as a blueprint to map how each brain works, putting the conscious brain in a loop of those experiences, or via some other mechanism.

Of course, that would mean that someone brought up in a radically different Earth culture (or unusual circumstances within a culture) should be immune... there should have been a bunch of immigrants wandering around the city trying to figure out why everyone else was acting so strangely.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Of course, that would mean that someone brought up in a radically different Earth culture (or unusual circumstances within a culture) should be immune... there should have been a bunch of immigrants wandering around the city trying to figure out why everyone else was acting so strangely.

Exactly. The four million people in National City don't share all the same experiences, much less the eventual seven billion humans on Earth. Targeting shared experiences in the mind is a shotgun approach at best; targeting the hardware of the brain seems much more certain.

Even then there could be exceptions depending on what specific chemistry or area(s) of the brain were involved -- maybe those with Alzheimer's are unaffected by Myriad? -- but not nearly as many as there will be if, as Max flippantly suggested, Myriad depends on all of us having watched Saturday morning cartoons as kids.


This is why I hate Guggenheim. He can't write for crap. :p

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Feros wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Is anyone else reading the tie-in comic by Sterling Gates?
Didn't even know there was one. Is it good?

It's fantastic. Nobody quite gets the character of Supergirl like Sterling Gates. He's been my favorite Supergirl writer for a very long time.

Hama wrote:
If it costs money, no.

It's a buck an issue. It's worth it.

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Cori Marie wrote:
Feros wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Is anyone else reading the tie-in comic by Sterling Gates?
Didn't even know there was one. Is it good?

It's fantastic. Nobody quite gets the character of Supergirl like Sterling Gates. He's been my favorite Supergirl writer for a very long time.

Hama wrote:
If it costs money, no.
It's a buck an issue. It's worth it.

Well, I'll se if I can get it here where I live.


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Damon Griffin wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
Episode finally gave us a solid explanation for why Astra and Non weren't worried about Superman disrupting their plans.

I thought the explanation was pretty weak. Living among/raised by humans for 30+ years makes you fully susceptible to Myriad; living among/raised by humans for 12 years and you remain completely immunized.

So Superman's brain chemistry has been altered by his longer time here? or by going through puberty on Earth instead of Krypton?

Used on Krypton, Myriad would have worked on Kryptonians. Used on Earth, it's doesn't work against most of them. It can't be the yellow-sun radiation boost that protects them, because Superman has that. It must be that Myriad was recalibrated for use on humans; that would support J'onn's immunity to the effect.

But recalibrated how: for the human mind, or the human brain? The latter seems more plausible; we don't all think alike, but we all have the same hardware. But Superman doesn't have a human brain, no matter how long he's been here.

The brain is essentially a computer that constantly rewires itself. It's becoming a strong theory that the environment that one is raised in has it's share of input on how that rewiring goes, so it's not without foundation. We have found that human children deprived of necccessary input during the early formative years as in the cases of "wild" children who've been raised by animals show that they never develop fully in many of the social skills because they lack the neccessary equipment to process that data.

Things like what native language you grow up also have a hand in how thought processes are raised. Most people who learn multiple languages still typically think in only one of them. Which means there are real cognitive gaps between different cultures, because there isn't a single native language that encompasses all concepts. For example there is no word in Japanese that encompasses the concept of gratittude the way it does in English. Another thing is the curious differences in holding grudges. If Japan had wiped out a quarter million people in an American city, would we have forgiven them so quickly? Would we even forgive them today?

And Krypton was a very alien society, not just a human analogue jumped up with crystal tech.

Our minds and our brains are inseparable. The way one develops has profound effects on how the other evolves. And for Myriad to work the way it does it has to operate on those same subtle levels to control human behavior witch such finesse and totality.

Kal-El is a unique case of a Kryptonian who was entirely raised on Earth. The social differences between the two worlds are as important as the physical ones.


Okay, very well put.


In short I have a very quick answer as to why who's affected and who'snot.

Since Clark was raised in Kansas, English is his native and thinking tongue even though he's learned Kryptonian since.

Kara is the exact opposite since she was already considerably mature when she left Argo City.

Myriad is essentially programmed to dominate brains that think in Earth languages, by sending commands along those lines.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
And Krypton was a very alien society, not just a human analogue jumped up with crystal tech.

I'm sorry, but no, from what we've seen of it, it is EXACTLY a human analogue jumped up with crystal tech. This show is it's own continuity, so we haven't seen much of Krypton, but what we have seen is closer to modern society in the USA than many real-life societies here on Earth.

Hell, Krypton isn't that much more alien even if you throw in stuff from most of the different continuities that DC has showed over the past (almost) eighty years.


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I liked the Harrison Ford reference. Pretty funny!

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Hama wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Feros wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Is anyone else reading the tie-in comic by Sterling Gates?
Didn't even know there was one. Is it good?

It's fantastic. Nobody quite gets the character of Supergirl like Sterling Gates. He's been my favorite Supergirl writer for a very long time.

Hama wrote:
If it costs money, no.
It's a buck an issue. It's worth it.
Well, I'll se if I can get it here where I live.

At the moment it's digital only, so Comixology or DC's website are the best places to go. It starts coming out in print in May, though I think a little more than $.99 an issue there.


phantom1592 wrote:

In any superhero show, it's easy to point out reasons WHY someone should see through a secret identity. WE already know... so it's easy to point out how dumb everyone else is for not putting the pieces together.

The classic B/W Superman show was infamous for having George Reeves wink through the fouth wall at end scene moments when Clark's clueless co-workers would speculate about Superman.

My favorite though was the evil grownup Danny Phantom pointing out to his parents how idiotic they were for not scoping out his true identity.

"Danny Phantom... Danny Fenton! Do you get it yet?!!!"


Any thoughts on who/what is in the new pod?


Superboy? Krypto? Streaky?


A younger version of Supergirl, Power Girl, Superboy, Krypto, Miss Martian, Cyborg Superman, Kara's human Father, other.

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Deep thoughts.....

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Not really.

Hey, Max just said we've only got four hours until this Myriad signal kills every human. Why don't I waste some time by changing back into my civilian garb and saying heartfelt goodbyes to my co-workers.

I did like that final showdown with Non and Indigo. Both our heroes kicked some ass.

Oh, Supergirl! You can't fly Fort Roz into space. There's no gravity! you can't get thrust! Since f&*@ing when? Superman flies through space all the f+#*ing time.

They did throw me for a loop with the new ship. It definitely looks Kryptonian. If it's a younger Supergirl, though, and they try to do some freaky time paradox s~*$, I'll be pissed. Or maybe they'll play up the alternate Earths some more....

Either way, I find myself hoping they get renewed for Season 2. Unless they have already, and I missed the announcement.


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Krypto.


Damon Griffin wrote:
Any thoughts on who/what is in the new pod?

I'm thinking Streaky or Comet. :P


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Things I did not like about this episode:

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@ Aberzombie: changing to civvies to say goodbye seemed reasonable given that Max hadn't yet located the source of the signal; she'd otherwise have been standing around in costume doing nothing. However, the lengthy exchange between Kara and Alex near the end of a six minute countdown, plus the fact that Alex was able to simply ignore what should have been a paralyzing and excruciating headache to have that conversation....OMGWTF?!?

along with Aberzombie, that science fail: you don't need gravity to fly or to generate thrust.

DEO/Army fail to contain J'onn J'onzz. Did they simply put regular cuffs on him, expecting that to hold even an injured Martian? Have they not been paying attention? Why was he left sitting in a chair next to Superman rather than being in one of those dandy featureless plastic cells they have?

Kara's open-ended sorta-promotion. I get that Cat has real depth, but the self-centeredness isn't all an act. She's taking a personal hit in having to break in a new assistant, and for what? Giving Kara a windowless office with as-yet-undefined duties? If this was meant to be an "I'll play along with the whole secret ID thing but I know you're Supergirl, so here's a way for you to have more freedom of movement" thing...wouldn't a window have been handy? The whole move seemed very...inorganic.

As for the pod...

Power Girl, Superboy, Comet, Miss Martian, Cyborg Superman, Kara's human Father and younger versions of anyone we know all seem unlikely to me for various reasons.

Krypto or Streaky might have made sense as subjects for earlier tests of the flight to Earth (even though that wasn't Streaky's origin in the comics), but it's hard to picture either one becoming a regular part of the show.

That leaves me stumped.

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Shouldn't Superboy be a clone of Superman and Lex Luthor?


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The producers have dropped hints that Kara might appear as Power Girl on Flash next season. (They basically said that if Kara existed on Flash's Earth, she'd still be an alien, but likely have a different name and costume. Which leads to an easy jump to Power Girl.) Not sure if that makes it more or less-likely they'd use the pod for some cross-dimensional Kara shenanigans.


That's one post-Crisis origin; as I understand Convergence/Rebirth, the Crisis now never will have already happened. (Verb tense under time travel is weird.)

The Supergirl intro voiceover suggests (without actually stating) that there was no Superboy on this Earth, that Kal-El/Clark debuted as Superman. Even if there had been a Superboy in the past, he wouldn't be arriving now in a Kryptonian pod, so we can probably ignore the 60's version of Superboy.

I'm really hoping it's not any version of Superboy because (a) I never liked the clone version, and (b) non-clone versions have already been on TV a few times (John Haymes Newton/Gerard Christopher, and for practical purposes, Tom Welling); also, what's the point of keeping Superman off screen if you're just going to bring in Superboy?

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