Wisdom Armor Penalty


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If I use the Wisdom in the Flesh trait to make Stealth a class skill that uses my Wisdom modifier, do I still take Armor Check Penalties despite not using Dexterity for the check?


Yes. The trait does not change the skill to avoid ACP.


I hve to disagree with Serisan. It is no dex based skill for you anymore.


APG wrote:
Wisdom in the Flesh (LN): Your hours of meditation on inner perfection and the nature of strength and speed allows you to focus your thoughts to achieve things your body might not normally be able to do on its own. Select any Strength, Constitution, or Dexterity-based skill. You make checks with that skill using your Wisdom modifier instead of the skill's normal ability score. That skill is always a class skill for you.

Nowhere in there does it say that the skill stops being Strength, Constitution, or Dexterity-based. You simply make checks with a different stat modifier. If it was intended to replace the typing, it should have been explicit.

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mercilessdm wrote:
do I still take Armor Check Penalties despite not using Dexterity for the check?

Typically it would still apply. Most of the time in Paizo, they note this fact. In 3.5 there was a Con to AC instead of Dex (Stonewarden) that was heavily debated because it didn't say you continue to apply Max Dex as Max Con. It was clarified, but most people ignored clarifications in 3.5 days and continued to assert it didn't apply.

Ultimately since this is going to be a table variance, ask your GM.


Serisan wrote:
Yes. The trait does not change the skill to avoid ACP.

This is correct imo. I believe that this was the designer's intent.

Otherwise that trait would be way too good.

Also, look at the Oracle of Lore or Nature revelations that can use charisma in place of dex you still get an ACP.


Alright, I will go with this ruling. Thanks everyone!


So if Wisdom of the Flesh doesn't change a skill's original ability-score type, does that mean for Oracle's Lore Mystery's Lorekeeper abilty

Quote:
Lore Keeper (Ex): Instead of encyclopedic knowledge, you learn most of your information through tales, songs, and poems. You may use your Charisma modifier instead of your Intelligence modifier on all Knowledge checks.

A circlet of persuasion won't suddenly start working for all knowledge checks, right?

Quote:

Circlet of Persuasion

This delicately engraved silver headband grants its wearer a +3 competence bonus on Charisma-based checks.

Man I hope that's the case. I avoided picking up Lorekeeper for my lore oracle because I was afraid Focused Trance wouldn't work on knowledge skills anymore.

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