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This isn’t for me. This is for one of my players, please don’t judge him as this is very out of character for him. Heck, in my evil non-society campaign he was the only nonevil character in the group (but a recent wolf bite is changing that). He and his brother decided to make twin dwarf inquisitors. One is the good cop, and follows Shelyn, the other is the bad cop and follows… Rovagug. We had a bit of a discussion before the game about which faction he should join.
Traditionally I offered Dark Archive or Grand Lodge. He rejected them as he already had low level characters in both those factions. Instead he said he wanted to join the Silver Crusade. I redirected him away from there and said too bad the Sczarni aren’t around anymore, you’d fit in like a glove. Hey the Sovereign’s Court new faction card reminded some people of the Sczarni, how’s your diplomacy? “-1” Nope, not a good choice for you…
In the end, we settled on Liberty’s Edge, because I pointed out the leader had a questionable history as mentioned in the old Andoran forums, and because at Gen Con I remember the announcer mentioning that “Liberty’s Edge seems to be full of goblins.”
We ran The Slave Ships and Absalom and he gave the Liberty’s Edge angle a try. During the course of the adventure he converted half the party to Liberty’s Edge as well as converting the party’s druid to Rovagug. At one point he yelled along the lines of “You’re all equal in Rovagug’s eyes. Everyone dies all the same.” and “I free you now so that Rovagug will kill you later.”
So where do Rovagug followers normally end up in PFS?
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Mine (this profile) ended up in Dark Archive.
He originated in Shadow Lodge, and enjoyed a short stint with Qadira (but only because I had to make the choice immediately) before having to switch again.
With only 7 Factions I can only really see Dark Archive and Grand Lodge working easily. Maybe Exchange. The others would be a stretch, but not impossible.
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Dead or in prison, usually.
Seriously, if you're a true follower of the Rough Beast, you're far too busy destroying to bother being a Pathfinder. You might get along in The Exchange, which is about using the Society for personal gain. Or Dark Archive, although they're pretty lawful.
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Pathfinder's knockoff of Warehouse 16 may some day give them access to a world-ending artifact.
That is, almost verbatim, the reason I started in the Shadow Lodge, Lol!
I find it extremely implausible that anyone who's still within a neutral bracket would embrace the World-Breaker.
My character needed 3 or 4 castings of Atonement during his career. Kept losing sight of the end goal. He pledged himself to a Runelord, consumed a Soul Wafer, activated an evil Ioun Stone, acquired a Quasit Familiar, and carries around a Necromantic Artifact.
When he dies, I'm totally making the check to see if the Quasit steals his soul (which I interpret to be legal protocol in PFS).
He's one of my darkest characters, to be sure, with a backstory that's hard to appreciate in an organized environment, but still one of my favorites.
Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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Well it seems like your player is making his chosen faction work - I always assumed followers of Groetus (despite being followers of a CN God) always want to stop Rovagug with the words:
"You are not allowed to destroy the world, we have a schedule to keeeeeep! "
After writing that I suddenly feel extremely German...
That followers of Rovagug and other "unconventional" deities sometimes have problems in scenarios - in one very recent scenario... well chances are, that a player could become irredeemably evil after switching sides.
Silver Crusade would have been a disaster, I can't - but I want to see - imagine that character in first steps part 1, doing the Silver Crusade mission.
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It wasn't really about being total opposites nor was he trolling. The "bad cop" picked Rovagug for the greataxe, and he wanted the Wrath Inquisition (he really just wanted to see what things I come up with when he used the ability since random things happen). I suspect that given time the novelty will wear off and he will remake it before level 2 or just make a new character, or play his other characters.
Personally I believe this was just an exercise in trying to force some of our other players into A) paying more attention to the game and B)to force other players into being the Face of the party. These are roles he normally gets stuck with since no one else takes notes and some players look like a deer in a headlight when an NPC comes up to them and starts talking. to them.
Generally I'm not a fan of evil deities being allowed in PFS. In the core book the only one that I can see working within the society is Asmodeus. But I can't lie, I did want to make a Cleric of Azathoth so I could save the world today so that Azathoth could destroy it tomorrow.
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Man, I wanted to make a worshipper of Azathoth(keep adding a g, damn metal roots!) too. Too bad his superlativeness is not legal.
I suggest Liberty's Edge for most of the oddball characters. As long as you don't keep slaves and scream about the Law, that glorified abolitionist frat party takes in everyone. I should know, my LEdge seeker worships Dagon. I've toned down the human sacrifice jokes though as the seasons've rolled by.
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I am frankly pretty happy that Demon Lords and similar entities are not legal options in society play.
Inner Sea World GuideGods: All gods listed in the tables on pages 229, 231, and 234 are legal for play.
Sorry for raining on your parade. Table 231 lists the major demon lords and hellish archfiends.
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Silver Crusade is right out, terrible idea, someone would be shanked.
I know one character that was Silver Crusade but secretly "worked" for another Faction (though I can't remember if it was Cheliax or something else). I wasn't around him enough to see how his Faction missions turned out.
Nothing's impossible, but some are a stretch.
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Ugh, follower of Rovagug. Due to backstory, I would have serious problems avoiding getting into PVP territory with such a character. I know I couldn't outright kill them, but they sure as hell would get 0 buffs (even if I had enough charges of the buff to hit everyone), and I would go out of my way to not just not help them, but to actively prevent the other PCs from trying to help them. Rovagug is not something you screw around with, and I don't really see a way someone could work in the society if it became known - the Silver Crusade would hunt you down.
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My Callistra cleric has a fun time shocking the Silver Crusaders as a member.
there is no reason why a Rovagug follower couldn't decide that have the cover of respectability for his actions. He has to be non-evil so he is a not totally dedicated to his faith.
"No constable, I have no idea who murdered that man but you can be sure the Silver Crusade will look for the culprit"
And there are plenty of necromancers in the Scarab Sages so I think that one could also work
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I'm appalled to hear that you think Lamashtans shouldn't be in the Silver Crusade. Lamashtu is the pinnacle of tolerance and acceptance! Look at her children! As varied as flowers in a field and just as ill-tempered.
Besides, I don't see any of the rest of you running orphanages between missions.
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Liberty's Edge - Nothing brings about the end of society quite like democracy.
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I am frankly pretty happy that Demon Lords and similar entities are not legal options in society play.Sorry for raining on your parade. Table 231 lists the major demon lords and hellish archfiends.
Inner Sea World GuideGods: All gods listed in the tables on pages 229, 231, and 234 are legal for play.
Ok I need to report a hero lab error - I regularly use it search for gods based on keywords - and I was absolutely to lazy to comb through all this:
Gods: all of the gods listed on the inside front cover are legal choices for clerics or inquisitors;
Gods: all of the gods listed in the appendix are legal choices except daemon harbingers, great old ones, infernal dukes, malebranche, nascent demon lords, orc deities, outer gods, qlippoth lords, and whore queens;
Gods: All gods listed in the tables on pages 229, 231, and 234 are legal for play;
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I started choking on my breakfast this morning when I read it. Made my morning.Ok, I freely admint this made me laugh out loud.Libertys edge. Rovagag deserves FREEEEEDOOOOOOOM!
Hey, freedom for everyone means exactly that. If you compromise your principles, you are no better than those devil-binding Chelaxians, or those decadent Taldans ;-)
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What makes you think the Silver Crusade is all about tolerance and acceptance? Good doesn't mean Nice.
I'm well aware of the racism exhibited by the "Good" guys. As we say back home in Irrisen, "winter wolves are people too." Perhaps you should come by the orphanage so the children can teach you the Mother's lessons about interspecies tolerance and relations.
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I have a follower of the rough beast as well, and the way I made my character work is she has split personalities. One is calm and guided, can get along with others, mostly Green Faith and neutral as can be.
In combat, after she gets hurt (1+ hp loss), she "switches on" rovagug mode and goes all out.
To be fair though, she gets no spellcasting or mechanical benefits from her deity, so it hasn't been an issue for now with any GMs.
Kinda like Launch on original DragonBall, but to the extreme.
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My worshipper of Rovagug was originally Sczarni and then flipped to Liberty's Edge when the faction switch happened.
He treated the Society as a way to strengthen himself, test his abilities and prove himself worthy of being destroyed last by Rovagug. Thanks to PFS' 3-4 combats a scenario structure, it was a fun RP opportunity to have him revel in the carnage that party often caused and praise them for hastening the arrival of the Rough Beast.
His best "friend" is a Paladin Stonelord of Torag. They have had some great adventures together.
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My worshipper of Rovagug was originally Sczarni and then flipped to Liberty's Edge when the faction switch happened.
He treated the Society as a way to strengthen himself, test his abilities and prove himself worthy of being destroyed last by Rovagug. Thanks to PFS' 3-4 combats a scenario structure, it was a fun RP opportunity to have him revel in the carnage that party often caused and praise them for hastening the arrival of the Rough Beast.
His best "friend" is a Paladin Stonelord of Torag. They have had some great adventures together.
They are not "friends". Ragnar is fulfilling his obligations to the Five Kingdoms and the Society by cooperating with this delusional maniac. Between this and all the errands he's run for the Blackros family, he's also pretty sure the Venture Captains are trolling him.
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They are not "friends". Ragnar is fulfilling his obligations to the Five Kingdoms and the Society by cooperating with this delusional maniac. Between this and all the errands he's run for the Blackros family, he's also pretty sure the Venture Captains are trolling him.My worshipper of Rovagug was originally Sczarni and then flipped to Liberty's Edge when the faction switch happened.
He treated the Society as a way to strengthen himself, test his abilities and prove himself worthy of being destroyed last by Rovagug. Thanks to PFS' 3-4 combats a scenario structure, it was a fun RP opportunity to have him revel in the carnage that party often caused and praise them for hastening the arrival of the Rough Beast.
His best "friend" is a Paladin Stonelord of Torag. They have had some great adventures together.
If they're trolling you, how do you still have arms? One would assume that the trolls would have taken those by now.
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If they're trolling you, how do you still have arms? One would assume that the trolls would have taken those by now.They are not "friends". Ragnar is fulfilling his obligations to the Five Kingdoms and the Society by cooperating with this delusional maniac. Between this and all the errands he's run for the Blackros family, he's also pretty sure the Venture Captains are trolling him.My worshipper of Rovagug was originally Sczarni and then flipped to Liberty's Edge when the faction switch happened.
He treated the Society as a way to strengthen himself, test his abilities and prove himself worthy of being destroyed last by Rovagug. Thanks to PFS' 3-4 combats a scenario structure, it was a fun RP opportunity to have him revel in the carnage that party often caused and praise them for hastening the arrival of the Rough Beast.
His best "friend" is a Paladin Stonelord of Torag. They have had some great adventures together.
There are plenty of readily available tactics for dealing with trolls, it's really mostly a matter of timing and positioning. Now excuse me, I need to go remind Ezren that using burning hands is something to be done *after* I've granted our travelling companions at least some resistance to its effects.
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"My Brothers in Destruction are mislead. I am a seer of the Rough Beast, and through his wrath I have foreseen the world's ending - and the method of its destruction. Though all carnage glorifies the World Breaker, to uncage Rovagug before the appointed hour is to undo his glorious purpose. In the language of wrath have I seen this truth, and I know that the sundering of the Great Cage, this puny rock upon which crawls life, must come only when it is foretold, and no sooner."
"To that end, I walk the path of stone. As the living monoliths of my birthplace once stood guard over the meaningless pharaohs of old, so shall I become eternal until the day my lord returns. An undying statue, I shall stand guard at the Pit of Gormuz until the ending of the world."
"But to achieve this power, I require ancient knowledge. The Scarab Sages, and the empire of Osirion before them, possess these secrets. In time, I will learn them, and take this power unto myself until the day comes when all things die and I will earn a name."
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My Breaker Barbarian, and devout follower of Rovagug, takes a bit of her philosophies from the Antipaladin Code of the Rough Beast.
Particularly: All things must be destroyed, but the tools of destruction will be destroyed last.
Liberty's Edge is her faction. For her, freedom, is chaos, and chaos, is freedom. Those chained by slavery, social or political repression, and law, are some of the greatest potential tools for destruction.
Their resentment, anger, suffering, and desire for vengeance, are the guano for the Wizard's Fireball, and the arm that swings the executioner's axe.
They will be free. From chains, from laws, from repression, and in the end, life it's self.
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Silver Crusade is right out, terrible idea, someone would be shanked.I know one character that was Silver Crusade but secretly "worked" for another Faction (though I can't remember if it was Cheliax or something else). I wasn't around him enough to see how his Faction missions turned out.
Nothing's impossible, but some are a stretch.
Nothing's impossible when mixed with a helping of insanity.
Now where is all that silver you guys promised me if I joined your crusade?
