Ambrosia Slaad |
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I shared this idea elsewhere, sadly all I got was one Tacticslion favorite'd, which, while extremely appreciated, told me nothing.
So, here's my idea.
A Samsaran Spiritualist who's phantom is a past life gone awry.
I saw your original post of the idea, but it didn't immediately provoke a reaction in me... which is totally an indication of where my brain is and not a comment on the merits of your concept. I like the idea, and not only is it on-theme for both the race & class, it should offer a wealth of hooks for character development and role-play.
Oooo.
Transcendental Horror!
You and CY make me want to see someone create a codex of occult horror themed character backgrounds.
Ambrosia Slaad |
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I meant book, as in which book they might be located... Bestiary 5 isn't it...
They aren't in a Paizo book. Like her were-corgis, I think she's only published the scuri on her Tumblr.
captain yesterday |
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Ah! I forget how prolific she can be. :-)
It's all good Amby, good to see you back around. :-)
My main problem with throwing character ideas out is, sometimes it's on the phone (almost always actually) so I try to keep to more elevator pitches.
I was actually thinking about posting an alternate occult themed evil party for Hell's Vengeance. I was incredibly annoyed they didn't touch on Occult Adventures in the player's guide, not that I needed them to, still would've been nice. :-)
Limeylongears |
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captain yesterday wrote:I meant book, as in which book they might be located... Bestiary 5 isn't it...They aren't in a Paizo book. Like her were-corgis, I think she's only published the scuri on her Tumblr.
Y'know what, I've been thinking. Were-corgis explain a great deal about why the Queen acts the way she does.
Say no more.
Rysky |
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captain yesterday wrote:I shared this idea elsewhere, sadly all I got was one Tacticslion favorite'd, which, while extremely appreciated, told me nothing.
So, here's my idea.
A Samsaran Spiritualist who's phantom is a past life gone awry.
I saw your original post of the idea, but it didn't immediately provoke a reaction in me... which is totally an indication of where my brain is and not a comment on the merits of your concept. I like the idea, and not only is it on-theme for both the race & class, it should offer a wealth of hooks for character development and role-play.
Rysky wrote:Oooo.
Transcendental Horror!
You and CY make me want to see someone create a codex of occult horror themed character backgrounds.
I want to do this. I will do this. In fact this is most of the background for my Daud characters.
Rysky |
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Ah! I forget how prolific she can be. :-)
It's all good Amby, good to see you back around. :-)
My main problem with throwing character ideas out is, sometimes it's on the phone (almost always actually) so I try to keep to more elevator pitches.
I was actually thinking about posting an alternate occult themed evil party for Hell's Vengeance. I was incredibly annoyed they didn't touch on Occult Adventures in the player's guide, not that I needed them to, still would've been nice. :-)
Good to see you again too, Amby ^w^
Limeylongears |
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captain yesterday wrote:Good to see you again too, Amby ^w^Ah! I forget how prolific she can be. :-)
It's all good Amby, good to see you back around. :-)
My main problem with throwing character ideas out is, sometimes it's on the phone (almost always actually) so I try to keep to more elevator pitches.
I was actually thinking about posting an alternate occult themed evil party for Hell's Vengeance. I was incredibly annoyed they didn't touch on Occult Adventures in the player's guide, not that I needed them to, still would've been nice. :-)
Yes! :)
captain yesterday |
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captain yesterday wrote:A Spiritualist who's phantom is a mysterious boy in a sweater.This interestingly vague little concept unfortunately goes over my head...
(Also feel free to post concepts you get here, I'd be more than happy to comment on them :3)
It's from That cliche ghost story where the guy gives the kid a ride home, the kid forgets the sweater, person returns it the next day only to find out the little boy he gave a ride to, has been dead for quite some time.
I read a lot of ghost stories as a kid, also my dad used to take me ghost hunting with him.
Ambrosia Slaad |
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A Spiritualist who's phantom is a mysterious boy in a sweater.Since you're still coming up with ideas, here's where my mind went:
A Samsaran Spiritualist who's phantom is a past life gone awry.
If it was me playing him/her, I would be looking for something much more horrible: What if the character thinks it's a former past life, and it is... just not his/hers?
Somewhere/sometime before the character manifested her occult abilities, something Else happened:
- a psychopomp f*cked up
- an afterlife seneschal lost a bet/owed a debt
- the character's silvercord got tangled in a Gordian knot with those of other sentients
- the character's soul passed through non-Euclidean folds in the Ethereal or Astral
- whatever
What if the afterlife bureaucracy isn't in any hurry to fix it, or tries to gaslight the character into not believing it's a problem, or just doesn't care/bigger problems take precedence?
What happens when a current incarnation inherits the accumulated karma and life path/destiny of someone else? Does it start to physically/mentally/spiritually change the current incarnation, and how? Maybe small horns start growing or the pupils change or weird tattoos/symbols/rosacea/birthmarks appears? Maybe the character starts having new urges or cravings (food, addictive substance, or otherwise) or memories or emotional reactions?
How would other spirits, psychopomps, outsiders, and creatures like Hound of Tindalos react? Suppose you meet a psychopomp or aeon that looks at you and says "Oh, sh*t!" and immediately gates away? Or attacks? Or a devil or demon, just smiles knowingly, and refuses to work with the character, or won't attack?
What happens when this incarnation dies; where does the soul go, and how is it judged/weighed? Were these other past lives even human(oid), or even mortal?
Edit: What if you went with your original character idea or a vanilla spiritualist, and then one day, they are attached to a different spirit? Maybe the PC encounter a powerful artifact or mythical outsider or weird dimensional rift... or maybe everything's normal, they rest for the night, and then they awake after a horrifying wrenching nightmare to the new spirit? Heck, the new spirit is probably just as confused and upset and has no idea how it happened.
Rysky |
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Hmm... how about a Spiritualist who believes the phantom at her side is the ghost of a deceased loved one, except it's not actually their loved one; it's actually a reconstruction they subconsciously made from their memories as a way to deal with the grief.
Actaully that is exactly what's going on with my current Spiritualist and Phantom, kinda. The Spiritualist thinks the Phantom is really her deceased brother, but the Phantom isn't sure he's the real thing or a mental construct of the sisters.
I haven't decided yet either.
Rysky |
Rysky wrote:captain yesterday wrote:A Spiritualist who's phantom is a mysterious boy in a sweater.This interestingly vague little concept unfortunately goes over my head...
(Also feel free to post concepts you get here, I'd be more than happy to comment on them :3)
It's from That cliche ghost story where the guy gives the kid a ride home, the kid forgets the sweater, person returns it the next day only to find out the little boy he gave a ride to, has been dead for quite some time.
I read a lot of ghost stories as a kid, also my dad used to take me ghost hunting with him.
oh yeah, I used to read collections and anthologies of stories like that all the time.
And cool! Did you ever find one?
Rysky |
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captain yesterday wrote:A Spiritualist who's phantom is a mysterious boy in a sweater.Since you're still coming up with ideas, here's where my mind went:** spoiler omitted **...
Ooo that's all different kinds of awesome I'll have to look into.
Hmm, wouldn't mind having an archetype where you have to pick a path, but instead of good and evil or law and cake it's Psychopomp and Sakhil/Daemon.
Well we already have Fated Guide so having a Sakhil influenced would still be neat.
Another one, with something takes over the Spiritualist's and their consciousness getting shunted out and becoming the Phantom.
Definitely could have some fun overlap with Medium. "Souls within, soul without."
Captain Killjoy |
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captain yesterday wrote:What are Scuri?Squirrel folk!
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Insulation-gnawing arboreal pests that eat baby birds and chitter endlessly?
Someone fetch me my rifle.
Ambrosia Slaad |
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Another one, with something takes over the Spiritualist's and their consciousness getting shunted out and becoming the Phantom.
Ooooo... :)
Or maybe a cursed lovers situation like Ladyhawke: Navarre is alive/incarnate by day, and a spirit from dusk til dawn; his lover, Isabeau, is the spirit from dawn til dusk, and alive/incarnate by night. Not sure if they should take turns swapping in/out of a shared mortal body, or if they just polymorph from physical to spirit and back.
Dragoncat |
Dragoncat wrote:Hmm... how about a Spiritualist who believes the phantom at her side is the ghost of a deceased loved one, except it's not actually their loved one; it's actually a reconstruction they subconsciously made from their memories as a way to deal with the grief.Actaully that is exactly what's going on with my current Spiritualist and Phantom, kinda. The Spiritualist thinks the Phantom is really her deceased brother, but the Phantom isn't sure he's the real thing or a mental construct of the sisters.
I haven't decided yet either.
...
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...I had the same idea for my Drow spiritualist.
O_O
captain yesterday |
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captain yesterday wrote:Rysky wrote:captain yesterday wrote:A Spiritualist who's phantom is a mysterious boy in a sweater.This interestingly vague little concept unfortunately goes over my head...
(Also feel free to post concepts you get here, I'd be more than happy to comment on them :3)
It's from That cliche ghost story where the guy gives the kid a ride home, the kid forgets the sweater, person returns it the next day only to find out the little boy he gave a ride to, has been dead for quite some time.
I read a lot of ghost stories as a kid, also my dad used to take me ghost hunting with him.
oh yeah, I used to read collections and anthologies of stories like that all the time.
And cool! Did you ever find one?
Yes, in high school I worked at a haunted mansion turned restaurant, banquet hall, and bar. I saw things there, weird things, it's still in operation, but different owners, now a B&B, Ludlow Mansion it's called now I think (It was called The Idle Hour Mansion when I worked there) I much prefer the historical (and creepy) new name a lot better.
1) one room upstairs, the garden room, had windows going around the whole room (that were always closed) no air conditioning, yet 90+ degrees in the summer, the entire upstairs would be unbearably hot, yet that room was always perpetually cold, like crazy cold.
2) I closed Sundays, the only person in the building, so I would crank metal, every time I went to the other room the music would turn down, like the dial was physically moved, I was locked in, no one else could get in there.
There was a bunch more, like a mirror that you look into and you feel like someone is staring at you.
I might've only gotten paid minimum wage, but the stories are priceless.
mourge40k |
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So on a completely different note from all the Spiritualist talk, the evil Kingmaker campaign I'm running for one of my home groups came up with something that's... Honestly kind of disturbing in its own special way. One of the PC's is a Tiefling fiendish vessel cleric of Belial who has whole-heartedly jumped into the lawful evil adultery thing. Said cleric has also become the high priest of the up and coming kingdom, and the other players (in their surprisingly in-depth law nature) left marriage law up to said character. Suffice to say that he came up with what is probably the most Lawful Evil way to encourage adultery.
Law #20: The sacred rite of marriage may be performed by any ordained priest of the approved state religions. However, no legal marriages may occur between individuals of opposite genders.
Law #21: Sexual intercourse between those of the same gender is a crime punishable by 3 months solitary incarceration, two days torture, and public execution.
... I feel conflicted between a sort of pride in such a perfectly rules-lawyery way to make sure that adultery happens, and disgust in something that's honestly kind of homophobic in its own way.
Rysky |
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Rysky wrote:Another one, with something takes over the Spiritualist's and their consciousness getting shunted out and becoming the Phantom.Ooooo... :)
Or maybe a cursed lovers situation like Ladyhawke: Navarre is alive/incarnate by day, and a spirit from dusk til dawn; his lover, Isabeau, is the spirit from dawn til dusk, and alive/incarnate by night. Not sure if they should take turns swapping in/out of a shared mortal body, or if they just polymorph from physical to spirit and back.
THIS.
Rysky |
Rysky wrote:Dragoncat wrote:Hmm... how about a Spiritualist who believes the phantom at her side is the ghost of a deceased loved one, except it's not actually their loved one; it's actually a reconstruction they subconsciously made from their memories as a way to deal with the grief.Actaully that is exactly what's going on with my current Spiritualist and Phantom, kinda. The Spiritualist thinks the Phantom is really her deceased brother, but the Phantom isn't sure he's the real thing or a mental construct of the sisters.
I haven't decided yet either.
...
...
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...I had the same idea for my Drow spiritualist.
O_O
Go for it!
(The twins in question are Monday and Tuesday incase you were wondering :3)
Rysky |
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Rysky wrote:captain yesterday wrote:Rysky wrote:captain yesterday wrote:A Spiritualist who's phantom is a mysterious boy in a sweater.This interestingly vague little concept unfortunately goes over my head...
(Also feel free to post concepts you get here, I'd be more than happy to comment on them :3)
It's from That cliche ghost story where the guy gives the kid a ride home, the kid forgets the sweater, person returns it the next day only to find out the little boy he gave a ride to, has been dead for quite some time.
I read a lot of ghost stories as a kid, also my dad used to take me ghost hunting with him.
oh yeah, I used to read collections and anthologies of stories like that all the time.
And cool! Did you ever find one?
Yes, in high school I worked at a haunted mansion turned restaurant, banquet hall, and bar. I saw things there, weird things, it's still in operation, but different owners, now a B&B, Ludlow Mansion it's called now I think (It was called The Idle Hour Mansion when I worked there) I much prefer the historical (and creepy) new name a lot better.
1) one room upstairs, the garden room, had windows going around the whole room (that were always closed) no air conditioning, yet 90+ degrees in the summer, the entire upstairs would be unbearably hot, yet that room was always perpetually cold, like crazy cold.
2) I closed Sundays, the only person in the building, so I would crank metal, every time I went to the other room the music would turn down, like the dial was physically moved, I was locked in, no one else could get in there.
There was a bunch more, like a mirror that you look into and you feel like someone is staring at you.
I might've only gotten paid minimum wage, but the stories are priceless.
Dood, that's awesome!
Hmm, Ludlow's Mansion or The Idle Hour (which I originally read as The Ill Hour) Mansion, I don't know which I like better.
Rysky |
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So on a completely different note from all the Spiritualist talk, the evil Kingmaker campaign I'm running for one of my home groups came up with something that's... Honestly kind of disturbing in its own special way. One of the PC's is a Tiefling fiendish vessel cleric of Belial who has whole-heartedly jumped into the lawful evil adultery thing. Said cleric has also become the high priest of the up and coming kingdom, and the other players (in their surprisingly in-depth law nature) left marriage law up to said character. Suffice to say that he came up with what is probably the most Lawful Evil way to encourage adultery.
Law #20: The sacred rite of marriage may be performed by any ordained priest of the approved state religions. However, no legal marriages may occur between individuals of opposite genders.
Law #21: Sexual intercourse between those of the same gender is a crime punishable by 3 months solitary incarceration, two days torture, and public execution.
... I feel conflicted between a sort of pride in such a perfectly rules-lawyery way to make sure that adultery happens, and disgust in something that's honestly kind of homophobic in its own way.
... dafuq is wrong with your player?
Dragoncat |
Dragoncat wrote:Rysky wrote:Dragoncat wrote:Hmm... how about a Spiritualist who believes the phantom at her side is the ghost of a deceased loved one, except it's not actually their loved one; it's actually a reconstruction they subconsciously made from their memories as a way to deal with the grief.Actaully that is exactly what's going on with my current Spiritualist and Phantom, kinda. The Spiritualist thinks the Phantom is really her deceased brother, but the Phantom isn't sure he's the real thing or a mental construct of the sisters.
I haven't decided yet either.
...
...
...
...I had the same idea for my Drow spiritualist.
O_O
Go for it!
(The twins in question are Monday and Tuesday incase you were wondering :3)
Oh, I've already done it. It's for a homebrew campaign one of my GMs is running where all the villains won in the APs. :)
Rysky |
Rysky wrote:Oh, I've already done it. It's for a homebrew campaign one of my GMs is running where all the villains won in the APs. :)Dragoncat wrote:Rysky wrote:Dragoncat wrote:Hmm... how about a Spiritualist who believes the phantom at her side is the ghost of a deceased loved one, except it's not actually their loved one; it's actually a reconstruction they subconsciously made from their memories as a way to deal with the grief.Actaully that is exactly what's going on with my current Spiritualist and Phantom, kinda. The Spiritualist thinks the Phantom is really her deceased brother, but the Phantom isn't sure he's the real thing or a mental construct of the sisters.
I haven't decided yet either.
...
...
...
...I had the same idea for my Drow spiritualist.
O_O
Go for it!
(The twins in question are Monday and Tuesday incase you were wondering :3)
Huh, interesting.
Rysky |
Did you do 1 star review of Hellfire Compact just because you don't like evil APs or because it is that bad? ._.
The latter, I don't have a problem with evil PCs or Campaigns.
I gave a more detailed answer on the previous page.
I really need to update that review when I can though >_<
Rysky |
** spoiler omitted **
Ooo, nice!
(The picture did confuse me since I thought it was going to be a site for rock climbing or athletic gear and equipment... granted it is athletic gear in a sense ^w^)
Though if I spend any more money on toys I'll just wait for Bad Dragon to have another sale :3
CorvusMask |
Ah. Why do people (including me) never realize to check page before current page first? :'D
Anyway, can't comment on that because I haven't read the book, but sounds like society depicted in book is either superficial/evil as hell or otherwise its really unfortunate implication considering how often npc allies in APs are rather... Well, samey in terms of generic attractiveness.
<_< Or maybe thats just something that bothers me xD Well anyway, gotta wonder if rest of AP follows the suit of "Everyone besides antagonists are jerks" or if there are likeable evildoers there.
Rysky |
Ah. Why do people (including me) never realize to check page before current page first? :'D
Anyway, can't comment on that because I haven't read the book, but sounds like society depicted in book is either superficial/evil as hell or otherwise its really unfortunate implication considering how often npc allies in APs are rather... Well, samey in terms of generic attractiveness.
<_< Or maybe thats just something that bothers me xD Well anyway, gotta wonder if rest of AP follows the suit of "Everyone besides antagonists are jerks" or if there are likeable evildoers there.
Yeah... there's a reason I titled my review "Only the P(r)etty Need Apply".
Cole Deschain |
And I will reiterate that the disconnect is in the eye of the beholder.
Rysky found it jarring.
I found it sadly plausible, based upon what we know about Cheliax.
Mileages will vary.
I had a bigger problem with the adventure as written, namely
Yeah, both actions are Eeeeeeeeevil, but they... don't quite gel for me.
captain yesterday |
My issue, I grew up in a conservative Midwestern town that had an incredible amount of Vietnam Veterans that were treated like s&!#, so as someone that's seen that conservative stagnation with an undercurrent of resentment and oppression, I don't see how it can't use a little bit of change or revolution.
If anything, for me at least, Wes did TOO good a job with Longacre and the adventure.
Rysky |
And I will reiterate that the disconnect is in the eye of the beholder.
Rysky found it jarring.
I found it sadly plausible, based upon what we know about Cheliax.Mileages will vary.
I had a bigger problem with the adventure as written, namely ** spoiler omitted **
Yeah, both actions are Eeeeeeeeevil, but they... don't quite gel for me.
Yeah, the "you all meet at heist" is one of the most jarring openings I've ever dealt with I believe.
Rysky |
My issue, I grew up in a conservative Midwestern town that had an incredible amount of Vietnam Veterans that were treated like s@#@, so as someone that's seen that conservative stagnation with an undercurrent of resentment and oppression, I don't see how it can't use a little bit of change or revolution.
If anything, for me at least, Wes did TOO good a job with Longacre and the adventure.
My problem, from my reading, is it's just not Longacre, but also the Glorious Reclamation itself and everyone else that treats her like s!*! and abandons her once it comes to light.
Basically the book tries way too hard and in fact beats you over the head with itself with THROUGH THINGS OUTSIDE HER CONTROL AND BECAUSE SHE ISN'T ATTRACTIVE DO NOT LIKE THIS CHARACTER EVEN THOUGH WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS BEEN THROUGH SHE'S STILL A GOOD PERSON AND TRYING TO HELP BUT BECASUE SHE HAD A HORRIFIC BACKSTORY DO NOT LIKE THIS CHARACTER. DO NOT. SHE IS UNLIKEABLE. SO SAYETH THE BOOK.
CorvusMask |
Wait, is the book really saying "Do not like this character?" .-. To me that sounds like its supposed to be cruel tragic end because PCs are villains to their victories have to be eeeeevil so instead of their victory being like "Because of PCs, everything is swell" its "Because of PCs, everything is horrifying and they swirl their moustaches".
Granted, either way, sounds ridiculously cruel
Its really hard to tell since I haven't read it :'D But yeah, it sucks if she is essentially abandoned by Glorious Reclamation as well
Rysky |
Wait, is the book really saying "Do not like this character?" .-. To me that sounds like its supposed to be cruel tragic end because PCs are villains to their victories have to be eeeeevil so instead of their victory being like "Because of PCs, everything is swell" its "Because of PCs, everything is horrifying and they swirl their moustaches".
Granted, either way, sounds ridiculously cruel
Its really hard to tell since I haven't read it :'D But yeah, it sucks if she is essentially abandoned by Glorious Reclamation as well
Yeah, the book even says "for the best" when mentioning her fate.
Ambrosia Slaad |
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In a similar vein: Ms. Rysky, what do you think of this conversion of Ms. Frasier's fearsome glompadillos?