Why they speak Golarion Common in other planets?


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Grand Lodge

I've been reading John Carter comics. So I get the idea to bring my players to another world. The campaign setting has excellent books for that: Distant Worlds, People of the Stars, Bestiaries, etc. Got lots of good stuff.

Other worlds raises interesting questions:
- Do cleric powers works, when your god is years-light away?
- Is gold valued for commerce, like in our world? That's a good way to disarm too-rich PCs...

- But the thing that amazed me (and not in a positive way) is that in other worlds Common is spoke! How? Travel between worlds is unusual, to say the least. There is no commerce, not cultural interchange, NOTHING. Just a wizard from time to time. So how could in the Moon speak Common?


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Convenience.

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Technically, in Golarion, they don't even speak Common once you leave the Inner Sea map. :)


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To quote from the Pathfinder Wiki,

Pathfinder Wiki wrote:

Common is a relative term used to denote the most prevalent human language spoken in a particular region. For instance, Taldane (see below) is the most widely spoken language in Avistan and Garund and so is referred to as Common in the Inner Sea region. In Tian Xia, however, the most widely spoken language is Tien (see below), and so that is classed as Common on that continent. It may be that on other continents, other human languages are classed as Common.

So "Common" is just a relative term. On other planets, like Kasath, whatever four-armed language the Kasatha speak most often would be considered "Common".

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Roger Corbera wrote:
I've been reading John Carter comics. So I get the idea to bring my players to another world. The campaign setting has excellent books for that: Distant Worlds, People of the Stars, Bestiaries, etc. Got lots of good stuff.

Oh yeah, they're excellent. :)

Roger Corbera wrote:

Other worlds raises interesting questions:

- Do cleric powers works, when your god is years-light away?

They do. Gods can explicitly reach anywhere on any Plane, many of which are profoundly further away from each other than mere 'light years'.

Roger Corbera wrote:
- Is gold valued for commerce, like in our world? That's a good way to disarm too-rich PCs...

Probably? Gold has inherent value (being generally rare), but if you wanna change it up, go for it.

Roger Corbera wrote:
- But the thing that amazed me (and not in a positive way) is that in other worlds Common is spoke! How? Travel between worlds is unusual, to say the least. There is no commerce, not cultural interchange, NOTHING. Just a wizard from time to time. So how could in the Moon speak Common?

Uh...they don't. They make that pretty explicit in Reign of Winter (the only adventure I know of where you actually travel to other planets). Other planets have their own 'common tongues' but very few if any people on them speak Taldane (the tongue usually referred to as 'Common'). It's thus highly beneficial to have spells like Tongues available when traveling between worlds. Though on Castrovel, there are quite a few Elves, and a fluency in Elven might thus serve well enough.


Brew Bird wrote:

To quote from the Pathfinder Wiki,

Pathfinder Wiki wrote:

Common is a relative term used to denote the most prevalent human language spoken in a particular region. For instance, Taldane (see below) is the most widely spoken language in Avistan and Garund and so is referred to as Common in the Inner Sea region. In Tian Xia, however, the most widely spoken language is Tien (see below), and so that is classed as Common on that continent. It may be that on other continents, other human languages are classed as Common.

So "Common" is just a relative term. On other planets, like Kasath, whatever four-armed language the Kasatha speak most often would be considered "Common".

Pathfinder Wiki seems to denote 'human language'? I guess if you interpret 'human' as the dominant species, if your campaign was set entirely in Kyonin, for example, instead of Elven, you would refer to the language as Common?


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Regarding Clerics (and similar classes), the deities are light years away anyway. What is effectively infinity makes no difference between one planet and another. Even different star systems/galaxies/local clusters would not make a difference.

Gold ... has a near-universal value. Note the "near" there, so as GM you'd be entirely within your rights to dictate an economy based upon something else.

"Common" is simply short-form for "the most commonly spoken language in the region". In the Inner Sea region, Common = Taldane. In the Dragon Empires (another part of Golarion), it would be Tian. On another planet, it would be a different language entirely. Elvish would be useful on some planets, as elves are already present there (e.g., Castrovel). Long-lived races (such as elves) would also be more likely to keep their language constant. Ditto for races with more frequent contact between various colony worlds (again, elves are the example with the Sovyrian Gate).

Then there are spells, such as Comprehend Languages and Tongues, and probably certain magic items too. If the party can get by with them for at least one level of experience, then they can spend a skill point to get that one rank in Linguistics to speak the local lingo.

ETA: Sigh. Ninja'ed, like multiple times. Damn you, RL distractions! :)


Deadmanwalking nailed all the questions.

In short, no they don't speak Taldane Common on other planets.

Lantern Lodge

Everyone speaks the language of trade- -English.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
Roger Corbera wrote:
- Is gold valued for commerce, like in our world? That's a good way to disarm too-rich PCs...
Probably? Gold has inherent value (being generally rare), but if you wanna change it up, go for it.

Gold is probably always going to be valuable, but it won't always be currency.

For instance, an ounce of gold is worth about $1,200 today. A Pathfinder gold piece (gp) is approximately a third of an ounce (50/pound). So if a Golarion character found himself in 21st century Earth, his belt pouch full of gold pieces would be worth a substantial amount of money: each gold piece is worth about $400.*

But you can't just walk into a store and pay with gold - you need to sell the gold for money at a place that specializes in such things.

*:
He'd be less well off with silver, which is only worth 1% its weight in gold, not 10% as on Golarion, and doomed with copper, which is only worth about 1% of silver.

Oddly enough, this means that silver is worth about the same on Earth as Golarion, while Earth overvalues Gold and Golarion overvalues copper.

Executive Editor

As several folks have said, "Common" is indeed relative, both on Golarion and beyond! It's a convenient shorthand.

Grand Lodge

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Roger Corbera wrote:

I've been reading John Carter comics. So I get the idea to bring my players to another world. The campaign setting has excellent books for that: Distant Worlds, People of the Stars, Bestiaries, etc. Got lots of good stuff.

Other worlds raises interesting questions:
- Do cleric powers works, when your god is years-light away?
- Is gold valued for commerce, like in our world? That's a good way to disarm too-rich PCs...

- But the thing that amazed me (and not in a positive way) is that in other worlds Common is spoke! How? Travel between worlds is unusual, to say the least. There is no commerce, not cultural interchange, NOTHING. Just a wizard from time to time. So how could in the Moon speak Common?

Why did all those Star Trek aliens speak English even when they weren't using the Universal Translator in TOS? Because doing language translation EVERY SINGLE EPISODE gets your series canceled real quick.


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While they might not have mentioned it during the Original Series, the Universal Translator was definitely retconned into it. After all, they showed Hoshi (sp?) working on it during the Enterprise series.

Grand Lodge

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Bellona wrote:
While they might not have mentioned it during the Original Series, the Universal Translator was definitely retconned into it. After all, they showed Hoshi (sp?) working on it during the Enterprise series.

The Universal Translator was shown on one episode of TOS that I recall, when they were trying to modify it to talk to a non-standard species.

In the TNG era it became implants as highlighted in that DS9 "Roswell" episode.

Grand Lodge

Thanks for the answers.

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