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This is mostly for Slayers, but it has to do with the workings of the Ranger Combat Style:
Combat Style Feat (Ex): At 2nd level, a ranger must select one of two combat styles to pursue: archery or two-weapon combat. The ranger's expertise manifests in the form of bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level. He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
That sentence doesn't say he can choose "these bonus feats", it just says "feats". So, can a Ranger/Slayer also ignore prerequisites on combat style feats when using his regular feats?
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This has come up a few times, and the general consensus seems to be that he is only choosing "feats from his selected combat style" when he gets them at 2,6,10,14 and 18. Otherwise he's taking normal feats with normal prereqs.
This is mostly for Slayers, but it has to do with the workings of the Ranger Combat Style:
Combat Style Feat (Ex): At 2nd level, a ranger must select one of two combat styles to pursue: archery or two-weapon combat. The ranger's expertise manifests in the form of bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level. He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.That sentence doesn't say he can choose "these bonus feats", it just says "feats". So, can a Ranger/Slayer also ignore prerequisites on combat style feats when using his regular feats?
You're right...that sentence doesn't say anything about it. The previous sentence however, tells you which specific feats his "expertise" helps, allowing him to gain the benefit of the sentence you bolded.
Seperate sentences are usually separate. It's like how familiar share spells lets you both cast personal spells on the familiar and spells that usually can't target it's type.
Separate Sentences may indeed be separate, but paragraphs are usually related and one can expect the rules about a bonus feat, and under that heading, to indeed be about that bonus feat. Particularly when the separate sentence is describing what choices can be made for that feat.
Separate Sentences may indeed be separate, but paragraphs are usually related and one can expect the rules about a bonus feat, and under that heading, to indeed be about that bonus feat. Particularly when the separate sentence is describing what choices can be made for that feat.
This.
@Melkiador- While you're right both sentences of share spell's description talk about different types of spells, they're still only talking about spells cast by the wizard on his/her familiar (singular subject). The 3 sentences of the Combat Style Feat ability are all talking about items gained by that ability.
Separate Sentences may indeed be separate, but paragraphs are usually related and one can expect the rules about a bonus feat, and under that heading, to indeed be about that bonus feat. Particularly when the separate sentence is describing what choices can be made for that feat.This.
@Melkiador- While you're right both sentences of share spell's description talk about different types of spells, they're still only talking about spells cast by the wizard on his/her familiar (singular subject). The 3 sentences of the Combat Style Feat ability are all talking about items gained by that ability.
Yes, but one of the items gained by that ability could be not needing the prerequisite when choosing a feat.
This is an odd situation, because the RAW is pretty heavily towards letting you ignore the prerequisite for all feats gained, but it feels wrong so we try to make the rules mean what we think makes more sense. I'd really understand a DM going either way, but I was hoping there was something official.
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RAW is not interpreting individual sentences out of context.
You're right...that sentence doesn't say anything about it. The previous sentence however, tells you which specific feats his "expertise" helps, allowing him to gain the benefit of the sentence you bolded.This is mostly for Slayers, but it has to do with the workings of the Ranger Combat Style:
Combat Style Feat (Ex): At 2nd level, a ranger must select one of two combat styles to pursue: archery or two-weapon combat. The ranger's expertise manifests in the form of bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level. He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.That sentence doesn't say he can choose "these bonus feats", it just says "feats". So, can a Ranger/Slayer also ignore prerequisites on combat style feats when using his regular feats?
My 2 CP... Also "He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites." The name of the ability is Combat Style Feat so (as I said my 2 CP) to me this indicates that only the 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, & 18th Ranger feats are free from prerequisites.
This has come up a few times, and the general consensus seems to be that he is only choosing "feats from his selected combat style" when he gets them at 2,6,10,14 and 18. Otherwise he's taking normal feats with normal prereqs.
At 2nd level, a ranger must select one of TWO COMBAT STYLES to pursue:
ARCHERY
or
TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING.
He can choose FEATS FROM HIS SELECTED COMBAT STYLE, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
If the ranger selects ARCHERY, he can choose from the FOLLOWING LIST whenever he gains a combat style feat: Far Shot, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, and Rapid Shot.
----There is not a lot of wiggle room here.
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Seperate sentences are usually separate.
Actually, that is rarely the case.
Take the case of flanking. It had multiple separate paragraphs:
When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
When in doubt about whether two characters flank an opponent in the middle, trace an imaginary line between the two attackers' centers. If the line passes through opposite borders of the opponent's space (including corners of those borders), then the opponent is flanked.
Because of the "logic" of them being separate sentences (or paragraphs) some took that to mean you could use the "When in doubt" to determine flanking and make ranged attacks "with flanking" without the +2 bonus and despite not making a melee attack.
We got a FAQ that confirmed the two are linked, so if you are not making a melee attack, you are not considered flanked for that attack.
Relevant to this question, if you are not taking these feats as part of your Ranger combat style path bonus feats then you don't get to ignore prereqs.
This has come up a few times, and the general consensus seems to be that he is only choosing "feats from his selected combat style" when he gets them at 2,6,10,14 and 18. Otherwise he's taking normal feats with normal prereqs.At 2nd level, a ranger must select one of TWO COMBAT STYLES to pursue:
ARCHERY
or
TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING.
He can choose FEATS FROM HIS SELECTED COMBAT STYLE, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
If the ranger selects ARCHERY, he can choose from the FOLLOWING LIST whenever he gains a combat style feat: Far Shot, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, and Rapid Shot.
----There is not a lot of wiggle room here.
That's not the question and this thread is 2 years old.
The question was whether or not an archer ranger with archery style could for instance use his 7th level character feat to choose Improved Precise Shot as his feat (ignoring all prerequisites).
Basically the question is if choosing a style forever lets the character ignore prerequisites of the feat.
And the answer is no, it's not intended to work that way.