In the coming weeks, I will be auctioning a DT account with full exp on both characters. Details to come!
~Sspit
Speaking of FULL backdated exp, that's what this account is.
The auction will be via eBay and will start in about a week, running for 5 to 7 days. A reserve price will be set on the auction.
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Are we allowed to list our accounts for sale on other sites, like Player Auctions? I've used them in the past (it's like a middle man service).
http://www.playerauctions.com/pathfinder-online-account/
Video documentation of the account I am selling can be seen here.
Video documentation of the account I am selling can be seen here.
Cool, good to know the policy. I'm just looking for a trusted middle man, because paypal doesn't cover digital goods. A friend of mine sold an Archeage account for over $1000, 3 months later the payment was recalled via paypal through the buyer's bank (stating it was a fraudulent payment). I'm not saying I distrust anyone here, I just would rather have a SANE state of mind and not have to worry about being scammed. I've used PA in the past they are basically middlemen.
Personal checks and money orders work fine so long as both parties don't mind waiting on the mail and the check to clear.
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I have a DT account with all the kickstarter trimmings that has been active and subscribed since launch. One character is completely full, the other has ~40,000xp spent towards Evoker. Both are elves. My plan is to hold on to the account for a while (possibly years). So I'm guessing nobody will want to pay what I'd sell for now, and there are others willing to sell similar accounts for less.
Opening bid: 10x 1oz bars of gold. That is ten bars of gold, weighing one ounce each. I'd also accept the equivalent value in platinum.
Honestly, I won't entertain offers that aren't outrageous right now. I have no desire to sell, unless it's for the thousands of dollars I'm hoping to get for an account that is full of xp years down the line.
As I'm not playing the game, I don't check here often(and they don't have an option for email alerts!), the best way to get a hold of me is on The Seventh Veil's website, if I don't respond there, bug an admin, they have ways of getting my attention.
Auction is live: http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/171827290781?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/171827290781?
Dude 2003 eve accounts with almost 200mil SP don't even sell for $1k. You are insane............ Way to try and scam the community.
Let's do the math here let's say you bought a DT for $35 then payed your sub for 164 days since then, 164*2400= 393600 XP. So that's an average of 5 months times $15/month which is 15*5. So that's $35+$75 or $110 you invested into an account. So what makes it 1000% more valuable than it really truly is?
At most I'd say 100k XP is like $30-35
So the account should be at max $200-$250. This is no where near worth $1000. No name is worth an additional $800 or the fact you have a stupid Dwarf mohawk.
I have a DT account with all the kickstarter trimmings that has been active and subscribed since launch. One character is completely full, the other has ~40,000xp spent towards Evoker. Both are elves. My plan is to hold on to the account for a while (possibly years). So I'm guessing nobody will want to pay what I'd sell for now, and there are others willing to sell similar accounts for less.
Opening bid: 10x 1oz bars of gold. That is ten bars of gold, weighing one ounce each. I'd also accept the equivalent value in platinum.
Honestly, I won't entertain offers that aren't outrageous right now. I have no desire to sell, unless it's for the thousands of dollars I'm hoping to get for an account that is full of xp years down the line.
As I'm not playing the game, I don't check here often(and they don't have an option for email alerts!), the best way to get a hold of me is on The Seventh Veil's website, if I don't respond there, bug an admin, they have ways of getting my attention.
http://i.imgur.com/y5u3R5o.png
It's $1200 on this site/gold bar. That's over $12k for a DT. Nice troll.
Can we please have some moderation here or some serious sales that aren't troll posts. This is madness.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/171827290781?
Dude 2003 eve accounts with almost 200mil SP don't even sell for $1k. You are insane............ Way to try and scam the community.
Let's do the math here let's say you bought a DT for $35 then payed your sub for 164 days since then, 164*2400= 393600 XP. So that's an average of 5 months times $15/month which is 15*5. So that's $35+$75 or $110 you invested into an account. So what makes it 1000% more valuable than it really truly is?
At most I'd say 100k XP is like $30-35
So the account should be at max $200-$250. This is no where near worth $1000. No name is worth an additional $800 or the fact you have a stupid Dwarf mohawk.
Um.... its an auction with a "Buy Now" option set at $1,000. Bid what you think it is worth. If you meet the reserve price and no one out bids you, then you paid a fair price.
Also, your math is a bit fuzzy and your economics is horrible. $35 for the account + $15*6 months * 2 (DT account) + $10 Newbie Pack + ??? Daily Deals = Minimum face value of $225
After that, some hard to value add-ons come into play. For one, NO ONE will ever have a chance at a max Exp character (let alone two) again save for purchasing one of a limited supply of Day 1 accounts (such as this one- and oh by the way, not many folks are selling those yet). Even fewer folks will ever have the chance to have a Day 1 character (let alone two) with *none* of their exp spent. There is major value in that to a great many players. Then, just to add on to all of it is the fact that once someone purchases the account, they get half-priced exp for the rest of the account's life. If they play the game for only one year beyond purchasing the account, that is still a savings of $132. If they play the game for the next 8 years AND they paid the full $1,000, then the account has paid for itself (roughly accounting for discounting the future value of savings).
For some folks, that is crazy math. For others, it is a great deal.
As to a 2mil exp Eve account, why buy that much exp if you don't need it? In PFO, someone can immediately* use 400K exp (per character) but they cannot immediately get 400K exp on a character outside of buying this account (and with it they get TWO 400K exp characters!). Eve, on the other hand, is so old that the market is no doubt saturated with old accounts that have all the exp a new player could want- which is no doubt way less than 2mil- driving their value waaayyyyy down.
*achievements blah blah blah coin blah blah blah- Exp is still the limiting factor.
So bids away!
Also, your math is a bit fuzzy and your economics is horrible. $35 for the account + $15*6 months * 2 (DT account) + $10 Newbie Pack + ??? Daily Deals = Minimum face value of $225
Dunno where you learned to math but that's wrong to me why x2 are you selling 2 dt accounts? Or do you treat each individual character as a seperate theoretical account? It hasn't been 6 months it's been 165 days divide that by 31 or 30 you get 5.4 or 5.5 round down not up because if you round up it assumes that you payed the next months sub. So that's 5 months * the previous sub fee of $15.00
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1 Dt account ($35) + 5 months of sub time ($75)= $110 right?
Notice How I don't add in the Newbie Pack because it's utterly worthless.
Add on the fact you can't get them any longer ($100-$125 is reasonable since this game has like > 2k active players in game). If the game had more demand due to having a higher pop this # would be different.
So that's $110+ $120 or $230, $250 if you want to be generous. Now you're saying multiply that by 2 since there's 2 characters on the account? So $500 for a DT, but you put your ceiling at $1k hoping Bill Gates plays PFO?
Tbh, I think you're doing a terrible thing to this game. Players who missed out at the start like I did shouldn't be gouged for trying to catch up to the vets.
My point about the EVE thing was even the most Godly accounts from 11 years ago with 180m-200m SP sell for around $900-$1200 (based on training and name/histroy). And I was trying to show how steep your price was in comparison to that, an EVE account that is 10 +years old versus your PFO account 5 months old.
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One of my members has several accounts for sale. He asked me to assist him in the sale.
Explorer account paid through 25 March 2016: T2 Wizard, Artificer, started acruing XP around Feb/Mar - stopped play around May 20 and is getting only XP (not being played) since
DT account paid through 12 August 2015: T2 Engineer and Seneschal, T2 salvage+dowsing) (both started mid-March) - stopped play around May 20 and is getting only XP (not being played) since
Backdated DT account paid through 30 May 2016: has Kal (only trained salvage 6) and Kaladon (completely untrained)
Also a smallholding
I'm doing this as a favour to one of my (ex)-members. So please excuse if my reply times are slow. I should be able to get more information about them (like race) if wanted. I didn't post the names here - I leave it to the owner whome some might know.
The player doesn't want to make a profit but likes to recoup as much as possible. And he certainly paid too much (in my view) for the third account.
So the third account might be sold for a reasonable offer but might be kept on my advice until there is a larger inflow of gamers at a later stage.
Just send me offers with a ballpark figure and I let you know if they are in an acceptable range. Happy also assist in any other way possible to verify the accounts.
The player is located in the US and I'm sure some way of payment acceptable to both sides can be worked out. I'm mainly giving my name here to ensure a buyer isn't scammed.
Playing in the Emerald Lodge would be an added benefit - but I'm not expecting this.
If we work with your mis-valuing of the account, then we have $110 for the current assets in the account. If someone buying this account is planning on playing the game for the next two years, then they can expect to save an additional $143.40 per year on buy-one-get-one-free exp. That brings the minimum value of the account up to $35+5*$15+2*143.4 = $396 That is actually more than what I currently have the reserve set at.
Don't hate the player, Low, hate the game. And the game already says the account is worth more than $110.
My point about the EVE thing was even the most Godly accounts from 11 years ago with 180m-200m SP sell for around $900-$1200 (based on training and name/histroy). And I was trying to show how steep your price was in comparison to that, an EVE account that is 10 +years old versus your PFO account 5 months old.
And my point is that the value of exp has a cap. 11 years worth of exp and training is useless if 2 or 3 years worth will get you where you want to be- and in Eve, the game is old enough for there to be plenty of old-timers and "new-timers" selling multi-year accounts. Now if one of those accounts came with 11 years worth of ISK and ships to boot, however, then you would see much more exorbitant prices.
Right now, it is not possible to buy an account in PFO that has more exp than the person can spend *without* having to also buy coin. Until such a time as most players can't cover the costs of their exp without also purchasing in-game coin via goblin balls, the per-unit value of exp is going to continue increasing- and that means the value of a Day 1 PFO account will also continue to increase at an increasing rate over the next few months. (Provided demand is there- which we are all assuming it is and which is an assumption that appears to be holding true for the time being).
Day 1 is down an the auction is up to $255.00. The reserve has not been met but there is still 6 more days to go. Thod has a few interesting alternative options on tap, so it will be intriguing to see how this plays out. Happy bidding!
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sspitfire
Thanks for the advertisement and I hope you didn't see this as competition.
Everyone who contacted me:
I need to get the owner to give feedback for races and what he regards as reasonable. I know what he paid and he wanted to recoup as much as possible but might end up with a loss on some.
I posted yesterday because I was asked a while ago and it was in my pile of things I hadn't even started.
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Accounts are worth what people would pay for them. I think the prices are reasonable the only reason I personally do not have more accounts is the game is quite time consuming and addictive when you are in a functional settlement and I simply do not have the time for more than two characters.
I will however say it is not logical to claim that both
a) the game is not worth playing yet and people that are playing now are stupid people
at the same time as
b) when I eventually play I want to be able to easily catch up with the "vets" and show off my elite gaming skills and it is unfair that the "stupid people" that play now have an advantage over me
Current bidding is at $285 and within $100 of the reserve price for the account. 4 Days left!
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I find it to be a conflict that on one hand players are selling characters with banked XP for the value that they perceive that banked xp has, and Goblin Works tells prospective customers that there will be little advantage that veteran characters will have over a newly rolled character (for those that begin during OE for example).
Both can not be true!
An account with DT has greater value, because it can not be purchased again (scarcity).
An account with unused game time has greater value, because you are buying that future time (although not at the same discount that the KS packages had cost).
However, and account with unspent xp is not in itself more valuable because you may have more xp than you can spend (none of the gates have been unlocked).
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XP and Achievements are both gates. A person willing to play a lot can advance faster with excess XP than they can without. As far as what Goblinworks is saying, "little advantage" is not the same thing as "no advantage" Until people are near the top of a single role, there will always be some advantage to having more XP. That advantage may be small, but there is no way to get it other than the passage of time, so an account that has XP leftover will have value.
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I also wanted to express the opinion that having a stickied thread for the soul purpose of selling (and buying) accounts is not what I consider to be good marketing.
It basically shouting, "I want out, please buy my stuff".
The fact that these sell / buy threads are also among the most active "publicly viewable" threads is also not good for the game.
The very best you can say about it is that one account is being transferred to another player, which is a zero gain in subscriptions.
I'm wondering if there have been any second step transactions?
Original owner sells to new player 1, who then sells to new player 2.
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The sticky for sale post is not a Goblinworks decision, it's a Paizo decision as people in the general Pathfinder forums are not happy with* people coming into the those groups to look for accounts.
That is an extrapolation on my part, based on the fact that every time one appears, someone complains and they move it here, even though people who backed the kickstarter but have no interest in PFO are who most of those buying are seeking.
The auction has passed the reserve price. All bids are final. It closes at 530 pm on Monday eastern standard time.
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I have an unused Pathfinder Online DT account I am looking to sell. The account has two characters, made on 04/01/2015, with the listed unused XP.
Character 1- 188,232 xp as of 06/19/15
Character 2 (L2 wizard)- 185,589 xp as of 06/19/2015
The account has the following listed perks.
Reward Quantity
New Player Pack 1
Destinys Twin 0
Daily Deals 1
Open Enrollment 1
Alliance Pack 1
1 Month game time 0
Head Start 1
Shield Mate 1
Character Name Reservation 1
I will accept bids starting at $100 and will run this post for 3 days unless I get a buyout price I am overly pleased with. Payment will be accepted through paypal. Once received, the account information is yours. Serious offers only please.
Less than 48 hours left on the only Fully backdated DT account available at this time. The account will have two characters at over 400K exp apiece- more than enough to get to level 12 of any role in the game.
Current high bid is $350 with bidding increments of only $5!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171827290781?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid= p3984.m1555.l2649
Hey sspitfire1, congrats on the auction... it just hit 400$, which is more than I'm willing to pay.
Not saying the account is not worth it, only that I don't have that kind of money lying around ;-)
The Fool
Hey sspitfire1, congrats on the auction... it just hit 400$, which is more than I'm willing to pay.
Not saying the account is not worth it, only that I don't have that kind of money lying around ;-)
The Fool
Thanks! I know auctions can be stressful for the bidders, so thank you to everyone who participated!
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Selling my account #2 -
It is a DT account with the following information
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Character #1
Kingkoopapoopa
Gemcutter 100
Jeweler 90
Armorsmith 50
xp available to spend - 143401 (as of evening 6/22/2015)
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Character #2
Seemorebucks
Sawyer 60
Engineer 100
xp available to spend - 232279 (as of evening 6/22/2015)
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No haggle, no auction; first to offer $300 gets it. Will accept payment via paypal verified.
Feel free to PM me with any questions. Account active until 6/28
Thanks
Atheory
You guys should post your accounts on PA
http://www.playerauctions.com/pathfinder-online-account/
I'm also wondering if we can buy and sell items/currency and not just accounts.
I've used PA to buy and sell accounts for years, they are definitely a trusted broker. For all of those new to it, you list your account on their site and set a price. You need to post a picture of your ID and the account info page. Buyers pay Player Auctions and then the seller gives the account info to the the buyer. PA will also sometimes ask for the account info to verify the contents of the account. I'm not sure if they do this anymore. Then PA pays the seller after the transaction is complete and takes 13% for mediating the trade. Payment usually takes a few days for the seller.
The thing is what happens with account sales is x years later the seller recalls the account info and takes the account back through customer support. If you do recall PA will retract the payment and ban you from the site, and even possibly take legal action.
If you post on ebay you don't get that middle man guarantee. If billy sells his account now and then 2 years later recalls it; the buyer can't do anything about it. With PA you are guaranteed.
Also a common misconception that is floating around is that sites like PA have lots of fraud/identity theft going on behind the scenes. This isn't true at all. You're going to run into the same amount of fraud everywhere you go online. Ebay especially. You may sometimes run into shady sellers, that's why reputation matters and it's smart to only buy from reputable sellers.
Wurm Online is a sandbox MMO just like PFO. It has similar population levels as well. You can legally buy/sell accounts items and currency in game for cash. The devs support player auctions.
http://www.wurmonline.com/2014/10/22/now-recommend-playerauctions-com-tradi ng/
So if you still think PA is a shady backwater website where you will get scammed-- think again. Also, you can post your account on PA and ebay and when it sells unlist it.
PS: Grats Sspitfire for selling your account for $400! I hope GW re-opens DT account sales in order to make it so they won't be overpriced like yours was. Also, I feel for all of the new guys coming in the game now who had no chance of buying them (for just $35). I think it's totally unfair, and I think you should be able to upgrade your account to a dt for $100-$150. Or GW should do sales where they sell them for a limited time for $40-60. A lot of new bros are angry about this whole DT thing and so am I.
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Also, I feel for all of the new guys coming in the game now who had no chance of buying them (for just $35). I think it's totally unfair, and I think you should be able to upgrade your account to a dt for $100-$150. Or GW should do sales where they sell them for a limited time for $40-60. A lot of new bros are angry about this whole DT thing and so am I.
I'm disappointed that I didn't invest in Apple and Microsoft in the early 80s. That doesn't mean I think they should sell me stock for the same price they sold it at then.
The DT is an extraordinary value, and was given at the time because they needed to raise the kickstarter funds. Over as little as a couple of years, it saves a person who wants two characters around $300.00. They'd be undermining their own income stream to sell if for what you suggest.
Note: nobody got to "buy" a DT from Goblinworks. It was an extra perk we got for giving them our money two years before the game went live.
Also, I feel for all of the new guys coming in the game now who had no chance of buying them (for just $35). I think it's totally unfair, and I think you should be able to upgrade your account to a dt for $100-$150. Or GW should do sales where they sell them for a limited time for $40-60. A lot of new bros are angry about this whole DT thing and so am I.I'm disappointed that I didn't invest in Apple and Microsoft in the early 80s. That doesn't mean I think they should sell me stock for the same price they sold it at then.
The DT is an extraordinary value, and was given at the time because they needed to raise the kickstarter funds. Over as little as a couple of years, it saves a person who wants two characters around $300.00. They'd be undermining their own income stream to sell if for what you suggest.
Note: nobody got to "buy" a DT from Goblinworks. It was an extra perk we got for giving them our money two years before the game went live.
Should rename this section of the forums "Kickstarter perk sales." This kickstarter perk bs is a kin to scalping at major sporting events for tickets. People buy extra tickets that they don't need just for the sake of profit. THIS IS THE NORM TODAY. A friend of mine has spent over $5k on Crowfall pre-order Kickstarter Accounts just for the sake of resale. Is it a smart investment? Is he doing anything wrong? No.
As a gamer I really hate seeing this kind of stuff because it detracts from the actual purpose of why you are donating your money, and it seems like people are just getting coerced into buying for the purpose of reselling or for the flashy perks.
I think these DT accounts and all the other perks are overvalued for what they truly are. I see how they are rewards for the vanguard, but stuff like DT accounts where you can add them to a shop for $150 upgrade is something doable that GW can do and should do.
Now this forum is going be to exclusively for the sales of DT accounts. This will devalue normal accounts that have backdated XP since they are not DT accounts. What I was expecting from this forum was something like the EVE Character Bazzar. Not a Kickstarter Character Bazzar. Maybe we should have two forums, one for DT and KS accounts, and one for normal accounts.
The whole point of the character market is giving new players coming in X years later a chance of catching up. It shouldn't be for people exploiting the fact they have 65 DT accounts and are gouging new players to the game.
Here's a true story. Twelvedudes was a guy we took in as a new player. He was asking for a DT account or a backdated xp account but none of us had any extras. He wanted to catch up and have a nicer character, and not have to wait weeks or months. So he made a post on the forums in search of one. I contacted a few sellers in regards to their accounts but they never messaged me back, or they wanted ridiculous prices. Twelvedudes has left PFO, he was a potential player for the community and customer to GW but he was turned away because of the DT stuff and how unprofessional this forum is. Someone wanted over $12,000 for a backdated account, ya that is unprofessional.
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There are people who try to make money off of anything. That is not exclusive to gaming. What I'm trying to get across is not about protecting anyone's profit, it's that the developers selling a DT for less than hundreds of dollars is bad business. It eats into their future profits. I expect they regret having to offer them in the first place. A business having a below-cost stock reduction sale because they come up short of cash is not a good reason for them to do it every day.
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There is a 'free' DT account from the Emerald Lodge available
https://www.goblinworks.com/forum/topic/3145/
Not everyone will qualify and it isn't a sale as such - as I say - no money needed. But I felt I post it here as well.
Edit: I haven't heard back from my original seller. He seems not in a hurry ...
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There seems some peculiar misguided misconception these Day 1 DT accounts are being marketed/sold to new players.
I find it unlikely new players are buying them. They are attracting the high prices they get because existing players are after them and for an existing player (who knows they are staying with the game for some years and needs to add an an instant crafter or refiner or PvP character to the alts they already own) they are well worth it.
I see how they are rewards for the vanguard, but stuff like DT accounts where you can add them to a shop for $150 upgrade is something doable that GW can do and should do.
... and the most idiotic marketing idea of all time. Pay the equivalent of 6 months sub now and get half price subscriptions forever is not something any sane company is going to offer.
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1 day, 8 hours left on Ebay auction for DT account. Current high bid is $150, see attached link for further.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pathfinder-Online-DT-Account-XP-since-04-01-2015-/2 61937256778?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfcad594a
Alagos, only the first link you gave is working, this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/261937256778?
I'll link it up for you: Alagos DT account on Ebay
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Offering it as an add-on in a cash shop would alienate everyone who backed the Kickstarter and got the Destiny's Twin perk.
Considering about 80% of the Kick Starters made their contributions solely for the PDFs, I don't think it's that big of a deal to supposedly alienate the Kick Starters.
Then consider, how many of the veteran Kick Starters have left (sold off their accounts), that just leaves a few hundred of us left (probably less than 300).
At some point, Goblin Works will have to consider "whatever it takes" to keep the doors open. Subscription based games are fewer for good reason, it is a failing business model. I very much expect that if PFO ever makes it to what they used to call Open Enrollment, it will be F2P.
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I have a DT account with all the kickstarter trimmings that has been active and subscribed since launch. One character is completely full, the other has ~40,000xp spent towards Evoker. Both are elves. My plan is to hold on to the account for a while (possibly years). So I'm guessing nobody will want to pay what I'd sell for now, and there are others willing to sell similar accounts for less.
Opening bid: 10x 1oz bars of gold. That is ten bars of gold, weighing one ounce each. I'd also accept the equivalent value in platinum.
Honestly, I won't entertain offers that aren't outrageous right now. I have no desire to sell, unless it's for the thousands of dollars I'm hoping to get for an account that is full of xp years down the line.
As I'm not playing the game, I don't check here often(and they don't have an option for email alerts!), the best way to get a hold of me is on The Seventh Veil's website, if I don't respond there, bug an admin, they have ways of getting my attention.
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It's $1200 on this site/gold bar. That's over $12k for a DT. Nice troll.
Can we please have some moderation here or some serious sales that aren't troll posts. This is madness.
It's not a troll, it's 100% serious. That is what will get me to part with my account that I plan on loading with xp for a long time. I doubt anybody would offer it, because the demand isn't high enough and scarcity isn't a huge factor right now.
As it said: "So I'm guessing nobody will want to pay what I'd sell for now, and there are others willing to sell similar accounts for less. "