Dervish Side-Edge - Weapon


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Dervish Side-Edge* Credit to Taco Man for helping with the idea
This weapon is different from most, a blade that is not to be held in the same way. The design of the blade is similar to a scimitar, though most often with a wider blade and with such it is a single edge weapon. What has it stand apart is how it is held and in that it is bound to the wrist to prevent disarming, whether with a leather band or through connection with an armour's gantlet, most of all is how the handle is not straight with the blade but to the side. This making it so that it extends horizontally from the wielder's arm with the handle facing inwards and the edge outwards so being held sideways.

(Exotic) Light Melee Weapons
Cost: 20 gp, Dmg (S): 1d4, Dmg (M): 1d6, Critical: 19-20/x2, Range: – , Weight: 2 lbs, Type: S, Special: Blocking, Performance, Monk
The unusual nature of the blade makes it harder to disarm, but harder to wield as a proper weapon, giving a +6 vs Disarm attempts, but a -2 to attack rolls.

*Name may change, open for suggestions.


"The unusual nature of the blade makes it harder to disarm" suggests that the wielder gains a bonus to CMD against disarm, but giving a +6 vs Disarm attempts" suggest a bonus to CMB. Which is it?

By the way, -2 to attack makes this weapon about a desirable as a club. I know you want to justify the +6, but making it +2 but with no attack penalty would put it on par with a martial weapon.

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Well I am open for other suggestions, I was helped make this weapon by a friend. If you have an alternate idea Ciaran Barnes of showing the... unique design of my weapon design, I would be interested in hearing it.

A big point of this weapon is that it would be much harder to disarm, so that any who try will see their attempts fail unless they specialize in disarming. It is why I considered a disadvantage as well, because the weapon is more restrictive because of its design.

The wrist for example would be more locked in place, since the weapon would run along the side of the hand and wrist while also being connected forearm with the hand facing up. If that allows for a visual you can understand.

If not a -2 to attack rolls, what else could be offered? Another thought perhaps, to go with the idea of additional training, is feats that lesson the penalty much like armour training or feats lessening the Dex penalty when it comes to wearing armour.


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Having a hard time picturing this...is it based off of anything existing?

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Yes... well maybe, in a book I had found in high school at the library but I think it is more an anime design. If I was any good at drawing I would just created an example of what I am talking about but I don't. I can still try but I'm not sure how it would turn out, and then perhaps upload it.

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Here, it is pretty bad for a drawing but it should at least serve the purpose of giving you an idea of how the weapon works. Sighs

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The -2 to hit with it makes it pretty much a non-starter. Almost nobody would want to use this thing, because they'd get dead doing so. Disarm isn't so common that a huge bonus to it is worth really gutting the effectiveness of it for it's primary role: to do damage.

Locked gauntlets are cheap and provide outright immunity to disarm without any kind of penalty to hit, and they're probably a better solution. Just slap the cost of a scythe and a locked gauntlet together and keep most of the description.

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Dervish Side-Edge
This weapon is different from most, a blade that is not to be held in the same way. The design of the blade is similar to a scimitar, though most often with a wider blade and with such it is a single edge weapon. What has it stand apart is how it is held and in that it is bound to the wrist to prevent disarming, whether with a leather band or through connection with an armour's gantlet, most of all is how the handle is not straight with the blade but to the side. This making it so that it extends horizontally from the wielder's arm with the handle facing inwards and the edge outwards so being held sideways.
(Exotic) Light Melee Weapons
Cost: 30 gp, Dmg (S): 1d4, Dmg (M): 1d6, Critical: 19-20/x2, Range: – , Weight: 6 lbs, Type: S, Special: Blocking, Performance, Monk, Locked Design*
*Locked Design: A dervish side-edge counted as a locked gauntlet, in that it provides a +10 bonus to Combat Maneuver Defense to keep from being disarmed in combat. Removing a dervish side-edge or equipping the weapon is a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity.
While equip, you can't use the hand holding a dervish side-edge for casting spells or employing skills, though you can still cast spells with somatic components, provided that your other hand is free.


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So it's like tonfa but blades instead of sticks?
Like this? link

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@Kryzbyn
Actually... yes. At least they are similar, though the image you offered and a google search seems to show a difference in how they are held. The long end of the tonfa facing away instead of towards the hand, which is reversed for my weapon. Thus, it would also be used differently from the tonfa.

Still, thanks for offering this. ^^

I didn't know for sure if there was a weapon similar to my idea so I am glad there is. Though another note involving my devish side-edge is that it is a larger weapon and requires a different fighting style.


Visually, at least, I am getting something like this

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Not much advice to give on balance... weapon design isn't something I'm familiar with.

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@Stalchild
That seems to follow after the Tonfa, so similar though with the direction of the blade's length reversed towards the hand not away from it.

Still, thanks for offering this, it is good to see others starting to understand visually what I am going for. It's okay that you can't offer me anything for balance or mechanics.

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