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that would be cool but i dont think it would work, not with the crew he is running with. but i would like him to be a Brawler (Shield Champion)//Paladin (Holy Tactician). how many levels of those two should i give him to be a build that doesnt suck?
Well, you need 3 levels of Holy Tactician to get the Teamwork stuff, and if going that far, I'd grab a fourth level, for another use of Weal's Champion.
Other than that, you're gonna probably go Shield Champion.
As for what levels to go with...it depends on what level you're starting at and other factors. You almsot certainly want your first level in Brawler (to enable the basic fighting style) and your second two in Paladin (for Divine Grace), but beyond that it'sup to you.
I recommend Outflank as your Teamwork Feat, by the way. It's very solid.
Also...don't try this build in a party with a Bard, several of your bonuses will be wasted.
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I'd say gestalt shield champion brawler/paladin. Start with a 20 point buy focusing heavily in mental stats , charisma, and wisdom. Then apply a super-soldier serum that gives +10 or +12 to all physical stats.
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Given the number of cohorts he's had over the years, that wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Could always use Variant Multiclassing:Paladin to keep him shield brawler 1-20 and give him those crucial Lawful Good boosts and RP restrictions he so embodies.
And like kyrt-ryder points out, White Raven school from Bo9S is almost seems like it was written just for him. If you could adapt Warblades to using a shield and brawling and take a ton of White raven that would work too.
You could even yell 'Avengers Assemble' every time he does a Leading the Charge strike. :)
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Or, "Avengers-" and cut to credits.
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Cap is Lawful Good(bordering on NG at times), but is by no means a Paladin. Closer to an unmounted Cavalier.
Cap is Lawful Good(bordering on NG at times), but is by no means a Paladin. Closer to an unmounted Cavalier.
Hmm, I am not aware of him having spells, but the rest seems to fit decently enough, doesn´t it?
Actually, because he's military, and more concerned with Good then Law, but still VERY concerned with law, he's almost a perfect example of a Paladin code.
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Actually, because he's military, and more concerned with Good then Law, but still VERY concerned with law, he's almost a perfect example of a Paladin code.
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Thing is, none of that is exclusive to Paladinhood. That's just being very Lawful Good. Cap has nothing else in common with Paladins.
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Thing is, none of that is exclusive to Paladinhood. That's just being very Lawful Good. Cap has nothing else in common with Paladins.
Well, he's very charismatic and strong-willed, and indeed has the equivalent of very high Saves, and is certainly pretty much immune to fear. He's also notably more effective fighting truly evil foes, if only because then he doesn't hold back.
He does indeed lack healing powers or spells per se, but those are pretty much the only Paladin things he lacks...and he does heal unusually fast, which works thematically with Lay on Hands if he only takes, say, 4 levels of Paladin. Which is about what I'd peg him as having, for the record.
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Thing is, none of that is exclusive to Paladinhood. That's just being very Lawful Good. Cap has nothing else in common with Paladins.
Natural Leader (high Cha), fearless (duh), those around him are always inspired by his leadership and presence (Aura of Courage), Indestructible shield (divine bond), incredible will and self control (aura of resolve), has fought villains considered way outside his power level and has won (smite evil and divine grace).
OK so he has never used lay on hands or spells but no one was trying to say Captain America WAS a Paladin, just how would he could best be represented in Pathfinder.
And Cap represents the American ideal. Will he break the law? Yes if that law is not in the best interests of the people or he needs to do so to help those in need or punish those who harm or threaten innocents. He believes in using the system and will only deviate from it when it is obvious it is failing those it is supposed to protect.
If Cap is not a representative of Lawful Good I don't know how you will ever find one.
Thing is, none of that is exclusive to Paladinhood. That's just being very Lawful Good. Cap has nothing else in common with Paladins.Well, he's very charismatic and strong-willed, and indeed has the equivalent of very high Saves, and is certainly pretty much immune to fear. He's also notably more effective fighting truly evil foes, if only because then he doesn't hold back.
He does indeed lack healing powers or spells per se, but those are pretty much the only Paladin things he lacks...and he does heal unusually fast, which works thematically with Lay on Hands if he only takes, say, 4 levels of Paladin. Which is about what I'd peg him as having, for the record.
With 2 Avengers & 2 Cap'n movies out now, I seem to have read recently that he has fast healing of some kind. Clearly not like Hulk or Wolverine, but decent.
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Most of that article is questionable at best. The incident with the flag being a chaotic action is completely false. He was given the task of retrieving the flag and no limitations were put on how he was to go about it. Using deception on the enemy is not chaotic it is basic military strategy. Sun Tzu states that “All warfare is based on deception”. So deceiving the Hydra agents is no more chaotic then hiding the fact that your troop strength from the enemy during a war. Most of the article is confusing lawful stupid with lawful good.
About the only part of the article that does have any validity is the part about falsifying his information. But even that is not really chaotic. He is trying to join an organization to fight in the way the thinks it should be done. A truly chaotic character would not give a rats ass about joining an organization they would simply do take the fight to the enemy in their own way. At best this would be an example of a neutral good behavior instead of chaotic good. Captain America is lawful Good. The fact he values good over law does not make him chaotic good.
The reason he object to the Sarcovia Accords is that he is following what he considers a higher authority that is the ideals and traditions of the United States. The Sarcovia Accords treat people with super powers differently which contradicts the idea that all people are created equal. It also goes against the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty. It is basically the marvel equivalent of a Jim Crow law.
Capitan America believes in the ideal of the United States. Sometimes we as a society may not live up to those ideals, but Capitan America does. That is the code that he lives by and one he will not compromise on. That is why his alignment is lawful Good.
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Has enyone ever considered a simple lvl 1 dip into cleric with the arcane domain?
It basically turns the shield into a ranged weapon (up to 30 feet) which auto return.
just a thought and it takes very little from any [articular build.
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I think you are talking about the magic domain not the arcane domain. The big problem with that is that you only get 3 + Wisdom modifier uses of hand of the acolyte. With as many stats that need to be decent for a Capitan America build it is going to be hard to pull off having a high Wisdom. A Shield Champion gets throw shield at 3rd level, and returning shield at 5th level. Considering there are no limits to the uses of throw shield or returning shield this is a much better way to use a shield as a ranged weapon.
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Has anyone suggested Armiger from Spheres of Might yet? Much more dynamic version of a shield slinging build.
Captain America...
Mythic Tier 9 (he keeps surviving death).
Mythic Path Champion
Class Fighter Level 10
Class Ranger Level 5 Favored Enemy:Nazi.
(some sort of spell free, combat focused archetype?)
Cap is most definitely a brawler and I would heavily argue he is Neutral Good. While 9/10 he is happy to follow the laws; when laws are
Bad or the greatest good/right thing is to go against the law he will break that law but won’t commit excessive crime on top of it.