God-Implications?


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But if the goddess saves the guy's life as he starts to fall, she's destroyed your free will? Why does he have to die for you to have free will? It makes no sense. None of your actions are being stopped. She's just saving the guy's life from the peril you put him in.

Preventing people from dying as a result of violence is training like dogs? I don't understand your position.

Why is it necessary for the murderer's victim to die in order for him to have free will? In this scenario, the goddess is doing nothing to the murderer at all. If the guy slipped and fell by accident, and she decided to save his life, would that remove HIS free will?

As I noted previously, it's also possible for the goddess to project a perfect illusion so that the mental state of a murderer who succeeded in killing his victim is indistinguishable from the mental state of a murderer who tried to kill his victim but at the last possible second the victim was teleported away and a perfect illusory double substituted. It seems to me that you're saying that even those the mental states of these two individuals is identical, the first has free will and the second doesn't.

I was generally under the impression that "free will" was supposed to be a statement about what was happening in a person's head. You're making it seem like it's about the relationship between a person's actions and the rest of the universe. Can a brain in a jar being fed simulated sensations have free will? It sounds like you would say it can't because it can't make a decision and actually act on it (as opposed to the simulation making it think it's acting on it).


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I don't think it's the action so much as the scope. If you could never fall, choosing to jump was meaningless. And if someone could never bring harm to another being, a choice not to is ultimately meaningless. Ultimately, morality exists within a context of choice. If you have no choice, there is no morality, as there is no light without dark.

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Albatoonoe wrote:
I don't think it's the action so much as the scope. If you could never fall, choosing to jump was meaningless. And if someone could never bring harm to another being, a choice not to is ultimately meaningless. Ultimately, morality exists within a context of choice. If you have no choice, there is no morality, as there is no light without dark.

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