The new Joker in Suicide Squad


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Jared Leto as the Joker

...um...okay I know he doesn't have his trademark suit on in this picture, which might help things...

And there is a precedent with the internet freaking out about the joker and then being pleasantly surprised (see: Heath Ledger casting)

But...

This seems more Marilyn Manson and Hot Topic than Joker...


I'm not impressed by this. I remember people questioning the choice of Ledger but most people were willing to revise their opinion when the first pics in Joker drag were released.

This guy...I guess I'm willing to give it a shot but I'm not exactly hopeful. Still, trying to do something new with the Joker when you have to follow Nicholson, Hamill and Ledger is no small task.

I'm not overly familiar with the SS but why would they have the Joker in there? He's a liability no matter how you look at it, and he Does Not Play Well With Others.

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This must be some kind of joke.

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I'll just go hang myself, none of you have to get up from your sits.

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DC, once again, proving they don't get it.


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

I'm not impressed by this. I remember people questioning the choice of Ledger but most people were willing to revise their opinion when the first pics in Joker drag were released.

This guy...I guess I'm willing to give it a shot but I'm not exactly hopeful. Still, trying to do something new with the Joker when you have to follow Nicholson, Hamill and Ledger is no small task.

I'm not overly familiar with the SS but why would they have the Joker in there? He's a liability no matter how you look at it, and he Does Not Play Well With Others.

Rumors indicate he isn't part of the squad, but is in the movie (and that he is in prison and might break out in the end???)

no clue. Hell he could be the big bad of the movie for all I know.

Does make me wonder what the hell Harley Quinn is going to look like in this movie...


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I'm not.....I don't.....why does the joker look like a member of ICP? Which "IS" badwrongnofun and no one can tell me otherwise...


Me wrote:

So we have Will Smith as Deadshot, and now this.

This movie is going to be a f%#&ing train wreck.


ya know I was fine with Will Smith as Deadshot. This is really my first moment of apprehension so far on the film, which I have been anticipating more than watching Batman make superman bleed.


Comics....serious business


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Will Smith is a decent actor but he has a very narrow range. As in, every character he plays is EXACTLY THE SAME (or he comes off as flat and awkward).

That character that he does well? Not Deadshot.

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Rynjin wrote:

Will Smith is a decent actor but he has a very narrow range. As in, every character he plays is EXACTLY THE SAME (or he comes off as flat and awkward).

That character that he does well? Not Deadshot.

That's my concern. I love the Osterander/Simone Deadshot, and if Smith could pull off that sociopathy, I'd be pleasantly surprised. I don't expect it though.

This and this and of course this level of sociopathy are what I want in Deadshot.

And yes, this Joker image makes me think of Superman IV...

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Dunno. I'll reserve my judgement till I see the movie.


As a static piece of art, I find the photograph of Leto as the Joker interesting. As a character concept for a live-action show/movie/whatever character...not so much. All the "prison ink" done like comic book writing is just too meta.


Rynjin wrote:
Will Smith is a decent actor but he has a very narrow range

Very well said.

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Rynjin wrote:
Will Smith is a decent actor but he has a very narrow range.

I'm not really sure it counts as being a good actor if his range is "Will Smith but with a different name".


Hopefully the world just got trolled!


I actually kinda like what they are doing with the tattoos. I'm not too keen on the casting choice though. I don't think Leto is a bad actor, I just don't like him. He's always come off as a self-centered a-hole to me.

...which come to think of it, lends itself well to playing Joker.


Kthulhu wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Will Smith is a decent actor but he has a very narrow range.
I'm not really sure it counts as being a good actor if his range is "Will Smith but with a different name".

Which is why I sad "decent", not good.

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Hama wrote:
Dunno. I'll reserve my judgement till I see the movie.

Stop blaspheming! This is not how we do things in these parts!


The main problem with that philosophy is more often than not you psyche yourself into seeing a bad movie.


havoc xiii wrote:
I'm not.....I don't.....why does the joker look like a member of ICP? Which "IS" badwrongnofun and no one can tell me otherwise...

To be completely honest, Ledger's Joker looked a lot more like a juggalo than this one, at least as far as the make-up goes.


I do not know but I think Jared Leto is an incredibly commited actor and he is one of the very few who could pull of a complete lunatic in a decent manner. He is also not imprinted on one type of character aka can only play himself.

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I like how this looks, really. Leto is very good actor in my books and I'm looking forward to see his version of the Joker.

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Rynjin wrote:
The main problem with that philosophy is more often than not you psyche yourself into seeing a bad movie.

On the flipside, you can spend months or years being bitter about a movie that you didn't even see yet, because you judged it based on very partial information. As in all things the best thing is to strike a fine balance. But, especially in a forum such as this, people tend to skew heavily towards being over cynical. Self included, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of what's happening.


Lord Snow wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
The main problem with that philosophy is more often than not you psyche yourself into seeing a bad movie.
On the flipside, you can spend months or years being bitter about a movie that you didn't even see yet, because you judged it based on very partial information. As in all things the best thing is to strike a fine balance. But, especially in a forum such as this, people tend to skew heavily towards being over cynical. Self included, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of what's happening.

especially when you let the internet decide things for you.


I'm stoked. I'm interested in how this plays out. Now I really am very curious to see Harley Quinn :)


Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
The main problem with that philosophy is more often than not you psyche yourself into seeing a bad movie.
On the flipside, you can spend months or years being bitter about a movie that you didn't even see yet, because you judged it based on very partial information. As in all things the best thing is to strike a fine balance. But, especially in a forum such as this, people tend to skew heavily towards being over cynical. Self included, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of what's happening.
especially when you let the internet decide things for you.

Or certain directors...not that you would FH... ^_^

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Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
The main problem with that philosophy is more often than not you psyche yourself into seeing a bad movie.
On the flipside, you can spend months or years being bitter about a movie that you didn't even see yet, because you judged it based on very partial information. As in all things the best thing is to strike a fine balance. But, especially in a forum such as this, people tend to skew heavily towards being over cynical. Self included, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of what's happening.
especially when you let the internet decide things for you.

Aye, and the internet is a rather malignant entity.


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havoc xiii wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
The main problem with that philosophy is more often than not you psyche yourself into seeing a bad movie.
On the flipside, you can spend months or years being bitter about a movie that you didn't even see yet, because you judged it based on very partial information. As in all things the best thing is to strike a fine balance. But, especially in a forum such as this, people tend to skew heavily towards being over cynical. Self included, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of what's happening.
especially when you let the internet decide things for you.
Or certain directors...not that you would FH... ^_^

I have watched whedon stuff. A lot of whedon stuff. it's why I hate him!

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Redneckdevil wrote:
I'm stoked. I'm interested in how this plays out. Now I really am very curious to see Harley Quinn :)

I want her to be strongly based on her look in the Arkham Asylum video game


Yeah...Got to say, Harley's original outfit doesn't work that well for live action, so I am guessing she will look closer to Arkham Asylum.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Yeah...Got to say, Harley's original outfit doesn't work that well for live action, so I am guessing she will look closer to Arkham Asylum.

Or city, probably. "Biker chick-outfit" is more (I don't know, realistic?) than nurse outfit.

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I like Jared Leto, and think he's a pretty decent actor. I think he can pull off the Joker.

That being said, the tattoos are....just not Joker. I read another comment at a different site that summed up part of the problem - Does anyone think the Joker could sit still long enough to actually allow a tattoo artist to do all that. You'd have a pile of dead ones somewhere.

Plus, like someone said up above, it looks too Hot Topic. Like the person who designed this really doesn't get who/what the Joker is and thought to himself, "Hmmmmm...I know...tattoos make people look scary and crazy! Yeah, we'll give him a bunch of wicked tats!"

Ultimately, for me, it's just one more nail in the coffin of this movie. Harley Quinn? Yeah, thanks, but no thanks. I've always hated that character. I think it was the voice that did it. And, since I rarely get to go see a movie anyway, there's no way I'll pay money to see this one in a theater.

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The Joker there seems to be pulling a lot of inspiration from Grant Morrison's revamped Joker in "Batman RIP" (sans the missing lips and split tongue).

Also worth remembering that the Internet flipped when they saw the first picture of Heath Ledger's Joker.

That said, I'm still trying to figure out why you would want to introduce this new Joker in a movie that doesn't have Batman in it. The Joker typically doesn't work very well from a storytelling standpoint if he doesn't have a straight man (i.e., Batman) to play off of.

As to the Will Smith casting, I think he's got the acting chops to pull of Deadshot. I think the problem is that he almost always plays a likeable guy whereas Deadshot is a total psychopath.


Eh. I actually kind of liked the look. It's different, so I'm curious to see where it goes. And good or bad, I see at least half the movies that come out in cinemas here these days for review purposes anyway, so no matter how it turns out, I'll be watching it. Who knows, it could be a pleasant surprise.

As for Harley Quinn... She'll look like Margot Robbie. Which, I've gotta say, isn't really a problem for me, no matter which costume they put her in :P

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Can she pull off Harley Though?


MMCJawa wrote:
Ya know I was fine with Will Smith as Deadshot. This is really my first moment of apprehension so far on the film, which I have been anticipating more than watching Batman make Superman bleed.

...really? I look forward to Superman making Batman bleed (and worse), if only to see the shocked look on the faces of those annoying Batman fanboys.

That said, I will reserve my judgement on the new Joker until the actual move starts rolling. I think people worry too much about the actor choices when the real concern should be the plot.


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A bad actor or character can ruin a good plot. Several of them are almost guaranteed to.

Ever seen a middle school production of a Shakespeare play?


And good actors can pull off otherwise unimpressive material.
Remember Liam Neeson in TPM? The only one who could actually sell the role and the lines he was given, and who didn't look awkward with Lucas' terribly rusty directing.
Would Casablanca have been as memorable without Bogart and Bergman?


To be fair the movie title sounds like the name of a band that would get its apparel at Hot Topic. So I am unsurprised.


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Threeshades wrote:
To be fair the movie title sounds like the name of a band that would get its apparel at Hot Topic. So I am unsurprised.

You don't know the comicbook or animated Suicide Squad very well, do you? :/


Hama wrote:
Can she pull off Harley Though?

No idea, but it'll be interesting to find out. She was pretty damn good in The Wolf of Wall Street and Focus though.


Zova Lex wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
To be fair the movie title sounds like the name of a band that would get its apparel at Hot Topic. So I am unsurprised.
You don't know the comicbook or animated Suicide Squad very well, do you? :/

Not very well, but what has that got to do with my statement?

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Threeshades wrote:
Zova Lex wrote:
Threeshades wrote:
To be fair the movie title sounds like the name of a band that would get its apparel at Hot Topic. So I am unsurprised.
You don't know the comicbook or animated Suicide Squad very well, do you? :/
Not very well, but what has that got to do with my statement?

The name of the movie corresponds to the name of comic book characters the movie is based on. So, there was a Joker in the Suicide Squad before the makers of the movie came up with this new look. So, the look has nothing to do with the name. Which sort of moots the point of your statement which confuses coincidence with causality.


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My biggest concern with Jared Leto's Joker might be the lacking recognizably appearance. When you look at Heath Ledger's Joker, you instantly recognize it as the Joker, despite of the fact that they played with his appearance.

I do not get the same wipe from Leto's Joker. There is visual cues that hints at it being the Joker, the glove and the dyed hair being prime examples. But when I peer at him, it isn't the Joker that springs to mind. Rather, when I see those tattoos and those filed teeth, I cannot help but think that it appears as one of the Joker's punk henchmen.


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Victor Ravenport wrote:
I do not get the same wipe from Leto's Joker. There is visual cues that hints at it being the Joker, the glove and the dyed hair being prime examples. But when I peer at him, it isn't the Joker that springs to mind. Rather, when I see those tattoos and those filed teeth, I cannot help but think that it appears as one of the Joker's punk henchmen.

Likewise, my first thought was "this seems more like one of the motorcycle-punk Jokerz posers from Batman Beyond."


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Orthos wrote:
Victor Ravenport wrote:
I do not get the same wipe from Leto's Joker. There is visual cues that hints at it being the Joker, the glove and the dyed hair being prime examples. But when I peer at him, it isn't the Joker that springs to mind. Rather, when I see those tattoos and those filed teeth, I cannot help but think that it appears as one of the Joker's punk henchmen.
Likewise, my first thought was "this seems more like one of the motorcycle-punk Jokerz posers from Batman Beyond."

"Don't you know who we are? We're the JOKERZ, man!"

"Yeah. Right."

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So does that mean Harley will be dressed like her grand daughters?


Interesting Twitter commentary (paraphrased): It's like he has the same short-term memory loss as the character from Memento, so he has all those tattoos on his body to remind him that he's the Joker.

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