Can you use Gloves of Arrow Snaring if you don't have the Deflect Arrows feat?


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Can you use Gloves of Arrow Snaring if you don't have the Deflect Arrows feat? It seems to grant you the Snatch Arrows feat twice per day, which is dependent on you using Deflect Arrows, but it says nothing about granting you the Deflect Arrows feat.

Is this item useless to anyone without Deflect Arrows?


d20pfsrd wrote:
Once worn, these snug gloves seem to meld with the hands, becoming almost invisible to casual observation. Twice per day, the wearer can act as if he had the Snatch Arrows feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites for the feat. Both gloves must be worn for the magic to be effective, and at least one hand must be free to take advantage of the magic.

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d20pfsrd wrote:
Prerequisites: Dex 15, Deflect Arrows, Improved Unarmed Strike.

Seems pretty clear to me... The gloves allow you to catch&keep or catch&throwback projectiles twice a day provided you have a free hand.


AerynTahlro wrote:
d20pfsrd wrote:
Once worn, these snug gloves seem to meld with the hands, becoming almost invisible to casual observation. Twice per day, the wearer can act as if he had the Snatch Arrows feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites for the feat. Both gloves must be worn for the magic to be effective, and at least one hand must be free to take advantage of the magic.

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d20pfsrd wrote:
Prerequisites: Dex 15, Deflect Arrows, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Seems pretty clear to me... The gloves allow you to catch&keep or catch&throwback projectiles twice a day provided you have a free hand.

It gets a little iffier than that.

From the entry on Snatch Arrows:

"When using the Deflect Arrows feat you may choose to catch the weapon instead of just deflecting it. Thrown weapons can immediately be thrown back as an attack against the original attacker (even though it isn't your turn) or kept for later use.

You must have at least one hand free (holding nothing) to use this feat."

The gloves allow you the Snatch Arrows feat twice per day, without the prerequisites. This means you do not need Deflect Arrows. However, Snatch Arrows only takes effect when using the Deflect Arrows feat, which the gloves do not grant you. RAW, this means the gloves are useless without Deflect Arrows, as you need to use Deflect Arrows for Snatch Arrows to even function. Without Deflect Arrows, Snatch Arrows is a useless feat.

It is a perfectly reasonable house rule to allow the gloves to grant both Deflect and Snatch Arrows.

(Please note this is all based on my own interpretation, as I cannot seem to find any official clarification on the issue).


Skreeeeeeeeee wrote:

It gets a little iffier than that.

The gloves allow you the Snatch Arrows feat twice per day, without the prerequisites. This means you do not need Deflect Arrows. However, Snatch Arrows only takes effect when using the Deflect Arrows feat, which the gloves do not grant you. RAW, this means the gloves are useless without Deflect Arrows, as you need to use Deflect Arrows for Snatch Arrows to even function. Without Deflect Arrows, Snatch Arrows is a useless feat.

Touche... I rescind my previous position. Looks like you're right, without the Deflect Arrows feat, you can't activate the gloves.

So one has to wonder...what prereq's are they trying to avoid? Is it the Dex15 of Snatch Arrows versus the Dex13 of Deflect Arrows? Maybe there's a class that gives Deflect Arrows while bypassing the other prereq's?


Seriously? People are interpreting the description of gloves of arrow snaring to require a feat it says the wearer does not need?


Bill Dunn wrote:
Seriously? People are interpreting the description of gloves of arrow snaring to require a feat it says the wearer does not need?

It gives you a feat that does not function without a second feat.

The gloves do not give you this second feat. The first feat only functions when the second feat is used.

Again, the gloves do not give you the second feat. They only give you the first feat.

The feat that does not work without the second feat.

You need to deflect arrows to do anything with Snatch Arrows. The gloves allow you the feat, but the feat does not function if not used in conjunction with Deflect Arrows, a feat the gloves ignore by allowing you to drop prerequisites.

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