Seerow |
John Kretzer wrote:James Jacobs wrote:Well the least they can do is point the Easter Eggs out to you guys....RogueMortal wrote:Curse of the Crimson Throne also had a reference to Ghost Busters. Paizo was asked to remove it due to copyright issues though.Actually, I don't believe anyone has ever asked us to remove content of easter eggs for copyright reasons. We HAVE removed several on our own though... mostly ones that crept into print from authors or even developers who thought they were being sneaky or cute but were, unintentionally (I hope at least) putting us in a position where we COULD get sued for copyright infringement. Which is why easter eggs tend to annoy me more than they amuse me.Yeah. They don't though. Which is why when writers DO sneak in easter eggs... they tend to get in trouble.
I'm not against them... but they have to be the right kind. And it's best to let Paizo handle them being put in if you're a freelancer.
This sounds interesting.
out of curiosity, could you go a little more into what makes an easter egg the "right" kind vs the "wrong" kind?
John Mangrum |
I didn't try slipping any Easter eggs into my chunk of Ships of the Inner Sea, but I do have a personal fondness for slipping the rare little in-joke so obscure that literally only I could possibly "get" it into my writing. The braggart captain of the viking ship I handled includes taming "the winter wyrm" among he and his crew's many epic accomplishments.
In the mindsphere surrounding my home games, "winter wyrm" is that viking's nickname for a specific white-scaled kobold.
haremlord |
I don't know if this is something that has always been in the Solar description, or if it's just in Pathfinder, but I was pleasantly surprised to see "On yet another, a solar with a flaming sword stands watch over the original mortal paradise so that no creature may enter." Particularly since I was looking at the Solar description specifically with the idea in mind of having one do exactly that. :)
I'd like to know if the rest of the description are also references to other myths. :)
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Zaister |
Lurion Coravoss wrote:Baba Yaga's 9th daughter Tashanna.. Looks at Paizo devs long and hard for that one. I see what you did there, and I love it! Any chance we might actually ever see her cough cough..Are you sure you haven't already seen her?
Hmmmmm.
Lurion Coravoss |
Hmmmmm...
Oh I know about that Kalindlara, I've also been playing since 2nd ed, and have a bookcase full of things including hundreds of dragon & dungeon magazines. "Tashanna" is one of my favorite old school big bads. I just don't think we'll ever get to see her directly in Pathfinder. Lilth knows who I'm talking about though ^_^.
Speaking of which I'm about to run a few players through a pathfinder updated savage tides using the mythic ruleset, should be fun.
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Kalindlara Contributor |
Kalindlara wrote:Hmmmmm...Oh I know about that Kalindlara, I've also been playing since 2nd ed, and have a bookcase full of things including hundreds of dragon & dungeon magazines. "Tashanna" is one of my favorite old school big bads. I just don't think we'll ever get to see her directly in Pathfinder. Lilth knows who I'm talking about though ^_^.
Speaking of which I'm about to run a few players through a pathfinder updated savage tides using the mythic ruleset, should be fun.
I see. I don't think they can use
Lurion Coravoss |
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Lurion Coravoss wrote:I see. I don't think they can use ** spoiler omitted ** though. ^_^Kalindlara wrote:Hmmmmm...Oh I know about that Kalindlara, I've also been playing since 2nd ed, and have a bookcase full of things including hundreds of dragon & dungeon magazines. "Tashanna" is one of my favorite old school big bads. I just don't think we'll ever get to see her directly in Pathfinder. Lilth knows who I'm talking about though ^_^.
Speaking of which I'm about to run a few players through a pathfinder updated savage tides using the mythic ruleset, should be fun.
Now you're getting it, and yeah you're probably right. I was sad to see her and the other great wizard names fall off their spells. To this day my brother still calls it Mordenkainen's Disjunction, etc. He refuses to rename them. But it was a price that had to be paid and nothing stops those of use who still love such characters from updating / restoring them, so I can / have lived with that. Besides Pathfinder has already produced a good number of strong NPCs that seem to be really popular. Hmmm that gives me an idea.
Hey James if you're still reading this, any chance we might ever get to let our players actually meet Count Varian Jeggare? I ask because meeting Eando Kline went over extremely well during the Serpent's Skull AP with my group. Three out of four of my players actually knew who he was, kinda made it a big deal, like the good old days of getting the artifact key for Maure Castle from Mordenkainen.
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Lurion Coravoss |
We can't use Iggwilv, no... but we still statted her up back in Dungeon #149. She's on par with Baba Yaga in power.
And we've been pretty hesitant about crossing the lines between the fiction and the adventures, but we'll see...
Fair enough, and yeah I'm already working on converting her to Pathfinder from that exact issue. :)
As for the second part, what's the reasoning for that? I feel like you or one of the other devs may have mentioned something about it before but I can't recall where. My default guess would be that giving set stats would in some ways limit the freedom/creativity of the authors. Although there's certainly plenty of ways to let someone do a cameo without having to flesh them out in solid ink so to speak. Point in case: I don't ever recall actually seeing stats for Terendelev (the mythic Silver Dragon in WoTR), outside of her ravener form in book 6. Yet her one scene and the gift of her spell/scales sets the entire thing into motion.
Or is it more of a not wanting the books to be cannon kind of thing since you don't want to do the rolling timeline like Forgotten Realms did? If so, I can certainly understand and appreciate that line of reasoning as well. Personally I'm on the other side of that fence, but I wont deny that it does have its setbacks/flaws, especially from a developer/publisher's point of view. Besides, nothing stops me from making my own time lines and saying this book or adventure path already happened in my games.
Also, to not fully hijack this thread, there's a running debate in my gaming circle on whether or not Riddleport is a parody of Seattle WA. If so, that's one hell of an easter egg in my books.
Hrothdane |
And we've been pretty hesitant about crossing the lines between the fiction and the adventures, but we'll see...
I know a player or two that would be quite happy to meet Jeggare and Radovan.
PS: James Jacobs, I know you mentioned that you don't interact much with the Pathfinder Society stuff, so did you know that Eando shows up in a PFS scenario?
Zaister |
PS: James Jacobs, I know you mentioned that you don't interact much with the Pathfinder Society stuff, so did you know that Eando shows up in a PFS scenario?
He also show up in
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James Jacobs wrote:We can't use Iggwilv, no... but we still statted her up back in Dungeon #149. She's on par with Baba Yaga in power.
And we've been pretty hesitant about crossing the lines between the fiction and the adventures, but we'll see...
Fair enough, and yeah I'm already working on converting her to Pathfinder from that exact issue. :)
As for the second part, what's the reasoning for that? I feel like you or one of the other devs may have mentioned something about it before but I can't recall where. My default guess would be that giving set stats would in some ways limit the freedom/creativity of the authors. Although there's certainly plenty of ways to let someone do a cameo without having to flesh them out in solid ink so to speak. Point in case: I don't ever recall actually seeing stats for Terendelev (the mythic Silver Dragon in WoTR), outside of her ravener form in book 6. Yet her one scene and the gift of her spell/scales sets the entire thing into motion.
Or is it more of a not wanting the books to be cannon kind of thing since you don't want to do the rolling timeline like Forgotten Realms did? If so, I can certainly understand and appreciate that line of reasoning as well. Personally I'm on the other side of that fence, but I wont deny that it does have its setbacks/flaws, especially from a developer/publisher's point of view. Besides, nothing stops me from making my own time lines and saying this book or adventure path already happened in my games.
Also, to not fully hijack this thread, there's a running debate in my gaming circle on whether or not Riddleport is a parody of Seattle WA. If so, that's one hell of an easter egg in my books.
Because what's good for a fiction character is bad for a team of PCs, and vice-versa. And because one of the two needs to be the star, and they can't both be the stars. And because players get tired real fast of NPCs who get "special treatment" in adventures because of the idea that they have to stay alive in order to "star" in the next book. For starters.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
James Jacobs wrote:And we've been pretty hesitant about crossing the lines between the fiction and the adventures, but we'll see...I know a player or two that would be quite happy to meet Jeggare and Radovan.
PS: James Jacobs, I know you mentioned that you don't interact much with the Pathfinder Society stuff, so did you know that Eando shows up in a PFS scenario?
He also shows up in an Adventure Path.
There are always exceptions.
Lurion Coravoss |
Because what's good for a fiction character is bad for a team of PCs, and vice-versa. And because one of the two needs to be the star, and they can't both be the stars. And because players get tired real fast of NPCs who get "special treatment" in adventures because of the idea that they have...
Valid points, though I will point out that Eando, at least for us, didn't steal the show, he made it more meaningful for the players who already knew about him. That being said I can certainly see how such exceptions could be overdone or handled poorly, though I think that part is more on the DMs shoulders than the developers. I personally treat my NPCs like characters from a Glen Cook novel; no one is safe from death's steely grasp.
Regardless, here's hoping for a Jeggare and Radovan encounter somewhere down the road!
Nikolai Vancaskerkin |
I like that every AP set in Varisia has a member of the Vancastercan family in it. Sorry if I spelled the family name wrong, I don't have a book in front of me.
It's fine, it's a mouthful for anyone who's not Varisian, and even to them as well. Trust me, the name's the least of my problems.
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Set wrote:Mass Effect? Or Forbidden Planet?Numeria: Land of Fallen Stars, page 9, the Witchlight Vale entry makes a voice in the back of my head shout, "Monsters from the Id!"
The one with Anne Francis and a pre-comedy Leslie Neilson, of course!
The one mentioned in Rocky Horror Picture Show!
McBaine |
I liked the Nexian Galley from Legacy of Fire chapter 4 "End of Eternity". The pictures on page 9 and 23 show the helmsman as a golden minotaur - it's Minoton, a stop motion monster from the movie "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger".
In Haunting of Harrowstone from the Carrion Crown Adventure Path, the Haunt Siphons are introduced. Their design is the same as the vials of acid that Keldor/Skeletor uses (skip to 3:40) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk2yuCc5c-I