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Here here! Wii need mor oppertuneites for illteriates.
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It appears to be the consensus that the true primitive should be banned for the same reason the feral child is banned, though this is not what I thought the thread would be heading into.
It still amazes me. Mike Brock is fairly consistent about things like this. One poster will ask why something is not legal and the response will be "it doesn't fit the flavor of Golarion." Then, every time, someone else will say "But what about this? It's got the same flavor, and is legal." And then everyone is surprised when Mike says "Okay, I should probably ban that too, then."
Every. Time.
Maybe folks should quit poking the bear.
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It appears to be the consensus that the true primitive should be banned for the same reason the feral child is banned, though this is not what I thought the thread would be heading into.
It still amazes me. Mike Brock is fairly consistent about things like this. One poster will ask why something is not legal and the response will be "it doesn't fit the flavor of Golarion." Then, every time, someone else will say "But what about this? It's got the same flavor, and is legal." And then everyone is surprised when Mike says "Okay, I should probably ban that too, then."
Every. Time.
Maybe folks should quit poking the bear.
Yeah I agree. I think a little inconsistency is better than reduction of options.
Maybe its weird, but banning True Primitive is likely more work than it's worth.
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Late to the party, but I'm gonna weigh in on this.
Let me tell you the story of Ben Dan.
Ben Dan was rolled up and played back at DragonCon 2011.
He had his first mission DMed by one Mike Brock.
And he was a True Primitive.
Ben Dan was an ogre of a man. Massive. Dim witted. Clumsy. He wasn't part of the Society on his own.
No, Ben Dan was sent by his retainer, Minister Wang, to enrich himself in foreign culture and to help the allies of the Lantern Lodge.
He couldn't read, he couldn't write. he tried but never took to it.
He DID however retain fractions of his teachings of various things of the world, which he would gladly recite if he could remember them stating "Minister Wang says..."
He was a fun concept to play.
I had a letter from Minister Wang that I would hand the DM prior to the session explaining the situation.
I would read the faction mission once at the beginning of the session then hand it back to the DM, justifying that the venture captain or the messenger would read it to me once, then I was on my own.
I completed a Qadiran faction mission that required me to steal a ledger through brute force and ignorance, taking ALL the books, not just the right one.
Ben Dan was a genuinely fun character to play.
He was simple in some regards, complex in others.
Watching a DM double-take as I roll Knowledge(Nobility) after failing to read a book sitting on the shelf cracked me up.
I've been considering playing him when my hiatus from PFS.
And now he's unplayable.
Yeah, losing an option is't a big deal...IF you're not the one losing it...
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Late to the party, but I'm gonna weigh in on this.
Let me tell you the story of Ben Dan.Ben Dan was rolled up and played back at DragonCon 2011.
He had his first mission DMed by one Mike Brock.
And he was a True Primitive.Ben Dan was an ogre of a man. Massive. Dim witted. Clumsy. He wasn't part of the Society on his own.
No, Ben Dan was sent by his retainer, Minister Wang, to enrich himself in foreign culture and to help the allies of the Lantern Lodge.
He couldn't read, he couldn't write. he tried but never took to it.
He DID however retain fractions of his teachings of various things of the world, which he would gladly recite if he could remember them stating "Minister Wang says..."He was a fun concept to play.
I had a letter from Minister Wang that I would hand the DM prior to the session explaining the situation.
I would read the faction mission once at the beginning of the session then hand it back to the DM, justifying that the venture captain or the messenger would read it to me once, then I was on my own.
I completed a Qadiran faction mission that required me to steal a ledger through brute force and ignorance, taking ALL the books, not just the right one.Ben Dan was a genuinely fun character to play.
He was simple in some regards, complex in others.
Watching a DM double-take as I roll Knowledge(Nobility) after failing to read a book sitting on the shelf cracked me up.
I've been considering playing him when my hiatus from PFS.And now he's unplayable.
Yeah, losing an option is't a big deal...IF you're not the one losing it...
As if he was ever a true Pathfinder? No, seriously, it was, is, and shall ever be: "Explore. Report. Cooperate."
The True Primitive got banned from PFS because it could not meet the minimum tenets of the Society.
He would probably be great for a home game.
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As if he was ever a true Pathfinder? No, seriously, it was, is, and shall ever be: "Explore. Report. Cooperate."The True Primitive got banned from PFS because it could not meet the minimum tenets of the Society.
He would probably be great for a home game.
He always reported back. He always did the mission to its fullest. He was as much a true pathfinder as any other martial character I've seen at a table. Just because his reports were oral doesn't mean he didn't report.
You want it written? Heck, there's even a vanity for a chronicler. Guess what I picked up at 10 Prestige?Explore? Check.
Report? Check.
Cooperate? Check.
Looks to me like he was a True Pathfinder, if the code is the only requirement.
If it is not, then tell me, how many PFS characters are "True Pathfinders"?
How many characters at a given table are wrapped up in living the code?
Maybe one at a given table.
PFS tables are often circus sideshows, with characters of all stripes and all motivations.
If they were all "True Pathfinders," we'd never have had factions outside of the Grand Lodge.
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My low int characters I roleplay that they have severe reading troubles. If i am given a note i pass it to other players and say "words". If forced to read i purposely stumble and mispronounce things. Then for comic relief the nouns I mispronounced I carry that for the rest of the adventure. For the confirmation when i had to take notes my 7 int character drew stick pictures with horrible misspellings.
I think it is a touch silly to ban the class. A character with 5 int should not be able to read reliably, but they are legal.