paizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatpaizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloat2015-04-14T14:37:07Z2015-04-14T14:37:07ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatMark Seifterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#772015-04-14T18:19:23Z2015-04-14T18:19:23Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Guys, I know it's a parody, but this thread isn't going to go anywhere good, especially if the sentiment is that there <i>isn't</i> going to be bloat. Please be respectful of the opinions of others. Thread locked.</span></p>Guys, I know it's a parody, but this thread isn't going to go anywhere good, especially if the sentiment is that there isn't going to be bloat. Please be respectful of the opinions of others. Thread locked.Mark Seifter2015-04-14T18:19:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatGisherhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#762015-04-14T18:09:06Z2015-04-14T18:09:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Umbral Reaver wrote:</div><blockquote> Do bloat bonuses stack, like dodge bonuses? </blockquote><p>No. You don't add them; you multiply them.Umbral Reaver wrote:Do bloat bonuses stack, like dodge bonuses?
No. You don't add them; you multiply them.Gisher2015-04-14T18:09:06ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatShadow Knight 12https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#752015-04-15T12:02:07Z2015-04-14T17:58:38Z<p>As a newcomer, this thread fascinates me. I've vaguely managed to piece together the meaning of "bloat" within the context of PF (I think), and I find it hilarious that anybody could argue that too many options are a bad thing.</p>
<p>3.5e was the most popular edition of D&D and it had enough splatbooks to actually bury you.</p>
<p>Clearly, people's fear of change, innovation, progress and good things are making them drive straight down Irrationality Lane.</p>As a newcomer, this thread fascinates me. I've vaguely managed to piece together the meaning of "bloat" within the context of PF (I think), and I find it hilarious that anybody could argue that too many options are a bad thing.
3.5e was the most popular edition of D&D and it had enough splatbooks to actually bury you.
Clearly, people's fear of change, innovation, progress and good things are making them drive straight down Irrationality Lane.Shadow Knight 122015-04-14T17:58:38ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatDaven Durhurst (alias of Tin Foil Yamakah)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#742015-04-14T17:40:14Z2015-04-14T17:40:14Z<p>This is where I come to cry</p>This is where I come to cryDaven Durhurst (alias of Tin Foil Yamakah)2015-04-14T17:40:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatbugleymanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#732015-04-14T17:22:44Z2015-04-14T17:22:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">graystone wrote:</div><blockquote> How dare they create optional rules that we're paradoxically forced to buy and use to increase some undefinable and subjective bloat! Time to pull out something MORE restrictive than core! Everyone's a human commoner without feats! :P </blockquote><p>The author builds a nice, classic straw man. Unfortunately, he then veers into pandering, leaving the work ultimately unsatisfying. Shows promise, but needs to learn to appreciate subtlety. I would be willing to review this author's future trolling.
<p>•• (out of •••••)</p>graystone wrote:How dare they create optional rules that we're paradoxically forced to buy and use to increase some undefinable and subjective bloat! Time to pull out something MORE restrictive than core! Everyone's a human commoner without feats! :P
The author builds a nice, classic straw man. Unfortunately, he then veers into pandering, leaving the work ultimately unsatisfying. Shows promise, but needs to learn to appreciate subtlety. I would be willing to review this author's future...bugleyman2015-04-14T17:22:44ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatsowhereaminowhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#722015-04-15T22:27:33Z2015-04-14T16:47:28Z<p>Bloat isn't an issue in Pathfinder until the other five volumes of the Advanced Class Guide Adventure Path are released. Then we will have bloat.</p>Bloat isn't an issue in Pathfinder until the other five volumes of the Advanced Class Guide Adventure Path are released. Then we will have bloat.sowhereaminow2015-04-14T16:47:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatTurin the Madhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#712015-04-14T16:44:55Z2015-04-14T16:44:55Z<p>The Unwritten Feat of Commoners: Gather Large Mob. Uses the troop rules .</p>The Unwritten Feat of Commoners: Gather Large Mob. Uses the troop rules .Turin the Mad2015-04-14T16:44:55ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatgraystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#702015-04-14T16:01:20Z2015-04-14T16:01:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">bugleyman wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Alternatively we could acknowledge that bloat and character class power levels are matters of opinion. The world has plenty of <i>real</i> conflict without us inventing more.</p>
<p>Personally I find the idea that Pathfinder doesn't have a bloat problem patently ridiculous. And judging from so-called "conga line of bloat threads" it would appear I'm not the only one. </p>
<p>And yet somehow I'll refrain from passive-aggressively insulting anyone's parentage. Carry on.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>How dare they create optional rules that we're paradoxically forced to buy and use to increase some undefinable and subjective bloat! Time to pull out something MORE restrictive than core! Everyone's a human commoner without feats! :Pbugleyman wrote:Alternatively we could acknowledge that bloat and character class power levels are matters of opinion. The world has plenty of real conflict without us inventing more.
Personally I find the idea that Pathfinder doesn't have a bloat problem patently ridiculous. And judging from so-called "conga line of bloat threads" it would appear I'm not the only one.
And yet somehow I'll refrain from passive-aggressively insulting anyone's parentage. Carry on.
How dare they create...graystone2015-04-14T16:01:20ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatRhedyn (alias of Marcus Robert Hosler)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#692015-04-14T15:56:23Z2015-04-14T15:56:23Z<p>I need more bloat. I allow any and all books in the d20 system. As a GM I use rules at random when adjudicating actions.</p>
<p>It seems to be working because I have yet had to deal with players who were not foaming at the mouth from an option driven seizure.</p>
<p>I can only hope the bars on my door can prevent James Jacobs from burning down my collection of CRBs (at various stages of errata, versions used at random), forcing me to only use the new unchained material.</p>I need more bloat. I allow any and all books in the d20 system. As a GM I use rules at random when adjudicating actions.
It seems to be working because I have yet had to deal with players who were not foaming at the mouth from an option driven seizure.
I can only hope the bars on my door can prevent James Jacobs from burning down my collection of CRBs (at various stages of errata, versions used at random), forcing me to only use the new unchained material.Rhedyn (alias of Marcus Robert Hosler)2015-04-14T15:56:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatRavingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#682015-04-14T15:46:15Z2015-04-14T15:46:15Z<p><a href="https://youtu.be/7pdWAcK6Eh8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LOUD NOISES!!!</a></p>LOUD NOISES!!!Ravingdork2015-04-14T15:46:15ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatgalahad2112https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#672015-04-14T15:34:15Z2015-04-14T15:34:15Z<p>I don't even know how there CAN BE more bloat! I mean, for Erastil's sake, we already have a class literally named the <b>BLOATMAGE</b> How do you get more bloated than that!?!?</p>
<p>Also, I suspect that the New Rogue will be so underpowered, inefficient, and generally useless that people will be begging to switch back to the old version. Paizo will now issue reprints of the CRB featuring "Rogue Classic", the messageboards' most popular class ever.</p>I don't even know how there CAN BE more bloat! I mean, for Erastil's sake, we already have a class literally named the BLOATMAGE How do you get more bloated than that!?!?
Also, I suspect that the New Rogue will be so underpowered, inefficient, and generally useless that people will be begging to switch back to the old version. Paizo will now issue reprints of the CRB featuring "Rogue Classic", the messageboards' most popular class ever.galahad21122015-04-14T15:34:15ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatChengar Qordathhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#662015-04-14T15:18:25Z2015-04-14T15:18:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Icyshadow wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">SiuoL wrote:</div><blockquote>Well, until we get the book and have a review about it, we can't really make a judgement yet.</blockquote><b>You have to leave now.</b> </blockquote>Come now, we do need some common sense to balance out this madness. </blockquote><p>No we don't! Don't you <b>get it?</b> The universe is doomed! <b>DOOOOMED!</b> Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!Icyshadow wrote:Kobold Cleaver wrote: SiuoL wrote:Well, until we get the book and have a review about it, we can't really make a judgement yet.
You have to leave now. Come now, we do need some common sense to balance out this madness. No we don't! Don't you get it? The universe is doomed! DOOOOMED! Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!Chengar Qordath2015-04-14T15:18:25ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatQuadOmegaZero (alias of TriOmegaZero)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#652015-04-14T14:42:52Z2015-04-14T14:42:52Z<p>SHARE WITH ME YOUR SECRETS!</p>SHARE WITH ME YOUR SECRETS!QuadOmegaZero (alias of TriOmegaZero)2015-04-14T14:42:52ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatPandora'shttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#642015-04-14T14:38:03Z2015-04-14T14:38:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote>It's like Pandora's box, only with stabbings. </blockquote><p>Who said I can't do stabbings?TriOmegaZero wrote:It's like Pandora's box, only with stabbings.
Who said I can't do stabbings?Pandora's2015-04-14T14:38:03ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatTriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#632015-04-14T14:29:35Z2015-04-14T14:29:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">chbgraphicarts wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">christos gurd wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">TOZ wrote:</div><blockquote> Dude, your username is the poster child of bloat. </blockquote><p>What? I don't know spell you are talking about. Oh crap you did not even mention a spell did you? Um well I uh have to go now <backs out of thread>
<p>Off-topic—>Real story: I was in a debate on the wizards 3.5 forums a few years ago, and someone tried to dismiss my arguments by stating that my name was the same as that spell. :)
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It wasn't even a debate on something being OP or broken, and I would suggest that none of you ever let this spell into your PF games. </blockquote>gotta ask...what did it do? </blockquote><p>Second level spell; swift action personal spell that allows melee attacks to be resolved as touch attacks for 1 round. Thus it ignores any armor, shield, & natural armor bonuses.
<p>Apply it to Gloves as an at-will ability for a custom magic item that costs all of 12,000gp and watch the DM cry tears of blood. </blockquote>I always wanted to use it once, just to see the looks on the faces of the players, but I just could not bring myself to do it. </blockquote><p>It's like Pandora's box, only with stabbings.wraithstrike wrote:chbgraphicarts wrote: christos gurd wrote: wraithstrike wrote: TOZ wrote: Dude, your username is the poster child of bloat.
What? I don't know spell you are talking about. Oh crap you did not even mention a spell did you? Um well I uh have to go now Off-topic-->Real story: I was in a debate on the wizards 3.5 forums a few years ago, and someone tried to dismiss my arguments by stating that my name was the same as that spell. :)
It wasn't even a debate on something being...TriOmegaZero2015-04-14T14:29:35ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatIrontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#622015-04-14T14:10:50Z2015-04-14T14:10:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote> Peas and carrots, peas and carrots. </blockquote>I say carrots and peas, carrots and peas! </blockquote><p>Rhubarb, rhubarb.Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:Irontruth wrote: Peas and carrots, peas and carrots.
I say carrots and peas, carrots and peas! Rhubarb, rhubarb.Irontruth2015-04-14T14:10:50ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatKobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#612015-04-14T14:05:46Z2015-04-14T14:05:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SiuoL wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">SiuoL wrote:</div><blockquote>Well, until we get the book and have a review about it, we can't really make a judgement yet.</blockquote><b>You have to leave now.</b> </blockquote>Unreasonable demand, at least state the reason why with a reasonable reason. </blockquote><p><b>No.</b>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">SiuoL wrote:</div><blockquote>Oh, thanks for not saying mean things to me like Kobold Cleaver and actually telling things! I wouldn't know that if you haven't told me. Interesting... </blockquote><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hstLdzCg6l8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Also, mreow!</a>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>But s'all good, I know I can be inscrutable sometimes. Ooheeheeheehee.</span></p>SiuoL wrote:Kobold Cleaver wrote: SiuoL wrote:Well, until we get the book and have a review about it, we can't really make a judgement yet.
You have to leave now. Unreasonable demand, at least state the reason why with a reasonable reason. No. SiuoL wrote:Oh, thanks for not saying mean things to me like Kobold Cleaver and actually telling things! I wouldn't know that if you haven't told me. Interesting...
Also, mreow! But s'all good, I know I can be inscrutable sometimes. Ooheeheeheehee.Kobold Catgirl2015-04-14T14:05:46ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatLoneKnavehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#602015-04-16T21:02:15Z2015-04-14T13:45:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ashiel wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Kieviel wrote:</div><blockquote> We've actually been using that squirrel rule at our table for about six months now. I was skeptical at first but it's really grown on me as a way of providing a more immersive experience. We're experimenting with electrodes, matches and liquefied sour gumballs for our wizard to apply to himself whenever he uses an appropriate spells. </blockquote>Sunstone...SUNSTONE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD <i>SUNSTONE</i>!!! (TaT) </blockquote><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">I understood that reference!</a>Ashiel wrote:Kieviel wrote: We've actually been using that squirrel rule at our table for about six months now. I was skeptical at first but it's really grown on me as a way of providing a more immersive experience. We're experimenting with electrodes, matches and liquefied sour gumballs for our wizard to apply to himself whenever he uses an appropriate spells.
Sunstone...SUNSTONE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SUNSTONE!!! (TaT) I understood that reference!LoneKnave2015-04-14T13:45:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatAshielhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#592015-04-16T21:02:39Z2015-04-14T13:40:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kieviel wrote:</div><blockquote> We've actually been using that squirrel rule at our table for about six months now. I was skeptical at first but it's really grown on me as a way of providing a more immersive experience. We're experimenting with electrodes, matches and liquefied sour gumballs for our wizard to apply to himself whenever he uses an appropriate spells. </blockquote><p>Sunstone...SUNSTONE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD <i>SUNSTONE</i>!!! (TaT)Kieviel wrote:We've actually been using that squirrel rule at our table for about six months now. I was skeptical at first but it's really grown on me as a way of providing a more immersive experience. We're experimenting with electrodes, matches and liquefied sour gumballs for our wizard to apply to himself whenever he uses an appropriate spells.
Sunstone...SUNSTONE! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SUNSTONE!!! (TaT)Ashiel2015-04-14T13:40:46ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatTurin the Madhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#582015-04-14T12:25:00Z2015-04-14T12:25:00Z<p>Bloat Class is your character's imperviousness to GMBWMC (GM b8tch•ing whining moaning and complaining). It functions as additional bonuses to AC, Touch AC, CMD, SR, energy resistances (all), all checks [yep, ALL d20 rolls] •and• it permeates printed character sheets out-of-game in such a way that it adds DR/— and resist fire.</p>
<p>No one is sure how the last one happens, but it does.</p>Bloat Class is your character's imperviousness to GMBWMC (GM b8tch*ing whining moaning and complaining). It functions as additional bonuses to AC, Touch AC, CMD, SR, energy resistances (all), all checks [yep, ALL d20 rolls] *and* it permeates printed character sheets out-of-game in such a way that it adds DR/-- and resist fire.
No one is sure how the last one happens, but it does.Turin the Mad2015-04-14T12:25:00ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatYrtalienhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#572015-04-14T12:24:14Z2015-04-14T12:24:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Prince Yyrkoon wrote:</div><blockquote> So, is bloat an AC bonus or does it ad to DR? </blockquote><p>Bloat is a skill that only the unchained Monk, Barbarian, Summoner and Rogue have as class skills. This skills value automagically adds stacking Bloat bonuses to all AC and DR : )Prince Yyrkoon wrote:So, is bloat an AC bonus or does it ad to DR?
Bloat is a skill that only the unchained Monk, Barbarian, Summoner and Rogue have as class skills. This skills value automagically adds stacking Bloat bonuses to all AC and DR : )Yrtalien2015-04-14T12:24:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatPrince Yyrkoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#562015-04-14T12:12:18Z2015-04-14T12:12:18Z<p>So, is bloat an AC bonus or does it ad to DR?</p>So, is bloat an AC bonus or does it ad to DR?Prince Yyrkoon2015-04-14T12:12:18ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatmemoraxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#552015-04-14T12:01:01Z2015-04-14T12:01:01Z<p>Don't forget it's all piazo fault for making people buy new material. It's all their fault because DMs can't say no to their players. Or that gamers are not responsible with how their money is spent. That somehow new material equals forced to purchase. Option paralysis I'm not to sympathetic. Once or twice I can understand. More than that get over it, grow a pair and pick something already. It's playing a rpg. Not saving the world.</p>Don't forget it's all piazo fault for making people buy new material. It's all their fault because DMs can't say no to their players. Or that gamers are not responsible with how their money is spent. That somehow new material equals forced to purchase. Option paralysis I'm not to sympathetic. Once or twice I can understand. More than that get over it, grow a pair and pick something already. It's playing a rpg. Not saving the world.memorax2015-04-14T12:01:01ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad BloatB. A. Robards-Debardot (alias of Jason Meadows)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#542015-04-15T22:21:49Z2015-04-14T11:30:41Z<p>•Crazy Look in Eyes• I'm mighty afeared of "the Unchaining", I'm stockpiling CRBs in my basement (secured with copious amounts of chain of course). Laugh at me now, but once it happens, you'll all be sorry and begging at my front door for core rule books. •Scurries away to buy more chains•</p>*Crazy Look in Eyes* I'm mighty afeared of "the Unchaining", I'm stockpiling CRBs in my basement (secured with copious amounts of chain of course). Laugh at me now, but once it happens, you'll all be sorry and begging at my front door for core rule books. *Scurries away to buy more chains*B. A. Robards-Debardot (alias of Jason Meadows)2015-04-14T11:30:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Unchained and the Terrible, Awful, Real Bad Bloatrandomwalkerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s5kd&page=2?Pathfinder-Unchained-and-the-Terrible-Awful#532015-04-14T11:28:30Z2015-04-14T11:11:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote>...And the bloatfighter, and the bloatpriest, and then we're all set to fight some normalorcs (sorry, Mikaze, no bloat for you). </blockquote><p>Unfair! Orcs are players too. We deserve to be as bloated as <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Gothmog.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Gothmog</a>
<p>...but whatever bloats your float</p>Kobold Cleaver wrote:...And the bloatfighter, and the bloatpriest, and then we're all set to fight some normalorcs (sorry, Mikaze, no bloat for you).
Unfair! Orcs are players too. We deserve to be as bloated as Gothmog ...but whatever bloats your floatrandomwalker2015-04-14T11:11:11Z