"All targets must be with in 30' of eachother" Is there...


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Is there a meta-magic feat or any other way to increase this range.
For example, Haste; all allies must be within 30' of each-other. Is there a way to increase that area?


No.


I've read a lot of Pathfinder stuff, but I can't think of one. Sorry. :-/


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It doesn't technically work, but I would let someone use Widen Spell to do this at my table.


It's 3pp material, but the Unrestrained Spell metamagic feat from #1 with a Bullet Point: 5 Haste/Slow Feats[/b] does what you are looking for.


BigDTBone wrote:
It doesn't technically work, but I would let someone use Widen Spell to do this at my table.

Speaking of which, I'd like to broaden the usage of Widen Spell by making the cost more accurately reflect the benefit to the caster:

Double the distance between a specific number of targets that must be within a certain distance of each other: +1 level
Double the length of a line spell, the angle of a cone spell, or the number of squares affected by a spell having area specified in number of squares: +1 level
Double the width of a line spell (treat as a very thin cylinder pointing away from the caster), the length of a cone spell, or the diameter of a circle or cylinder spell: +2 levels normally, but only +1 if the spell can only affect targets within a set distance of a surface (usually ground)
Double the diameter of a sphere: +3 levels normally, but only +2 if the spell can only affect targets with a set distance of a surface (usually ground)


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It sounds like there is a new Meta Magic feat called Vast. I believe the source is "Pathfinder Player Companion: Magic Tactics Toolbox".

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UnArcaneElection wrote:
Speaking of which, I'd like to broaden the usage of Widen Spell by making the cost more accurately reflect the benefit to the caster

Good luck with that. I've estimated before (and it's hardly original with me) that you'd want to roughly halve the level bump of almost all 3e metamagic feats, removing it entirely for those that are +1 level, before they're worthwhile to cast at the listed cost.


Chalice wrote:
It sounds like there is a new Meta Magic feat called Vast. I believe the source is "Pathfinder Player Companion: Magic Tactics Toolbox".

Yes, the Vast Metamagic Feat lets you double the distance to 60 feet.

Edit: Just realized that this was an old thread.

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