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On the Agents of Shield thread some posters mentioned Heroes, I guess some producers overheard, because sure enough

They are back, I was not a big fan of the original, I think I only watched 2 shows if that.

Meh. There is enough going on with Gotham and Agents of Shield and soon enough Daredevil I can skip this.


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Heroes was great up until the writers' strike. After the strike they either got new writers or the old writers forgot the earlier episodes and didn't have time to go back and rewatch them.

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beating a dead horse again? WHy?


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Because beating a live horse will get you kicked.

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I liked it, even the post-writers strike parts that weren't anywhere near as good as season 1. Looking forward to it coming back with a fresh start, and interested to see how they use Hiro who was just announced as coming back - hopefully as a mysterious "I know the future and am giving you cryptic hints" future Hiro version to get the new characters on the right path to whatever their version of "save the cheerleader" will be.

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I agree about the first season being great and everything went down hill at season 2 and the writers strike. It felt like they were writing each script week to week which had obvious flaws. I will say this though Heroes at its absolute worst was better than agents of shield that show flat out sucks.


Pan wrote:
I agree about the first season being great and everything went down hill at season 2 and the writers strike. It felt like they were writing each script week to week which had obvious flaws. I will say this though Heroes at its absolute worst was better than agents of shield that show flat out sucks.

God no. I love Heroes and all but AoS has never made me cringe at its utter badness as much as certain parts of Heroes. The bits after Sylar got that face changing power especially.

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Rynjin wrote:
Pan wrote:
I agree about the first season being great and everything went down hill at season 2 and the writers strike. It felt like they were writing each script week to week which had obvious flaws. I will say this though Heroes at its absolute worst was better than agents of shield that show flat out sucks.
God no. I love Heroes and all but AoS has never made me cringe at its utter badness as much as certain parts of Heroes. The bits after Sylar got that face changing power especially.

Yeah ill admit heroes got real bad at times especially the last half. However, I gave shield a good 6 or so episodes and they were lucky to get that! I just so happened to be in gym at the time with a very limited TV selection. Shield is terribad.


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Pan wrote:
I agree about the first season being great and everything went down hill at season 2 and the writers strike. It felt like they were writing each script week to week which had obvious flaws. I will say this though Heroes at its absolute worst was better than agents of shield that show flat out sucks.

hahahahahhaha

But seriously...Agents of Shield has been great. Heroes though...post first season (and really it began with the season finale) was pretty horrible.


Was I the only one who thought Sylar had Peter's power and accessed it through serial killing?

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Pan wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Pan wrote:
I agree about the first season being great and everything went down hill at season 2 and the writers strike. It felt like they were writing each script week to week which had obvious flaws. I will say this though Heroes at its absolute worst was better than agents of shield that show flat out sucks.
God no. I love Heroes and all but AoS has never made me cringe at its utter badness as much as certain parts of Heroes. The bits after Sylar got that face changing power especially.
Yeah ill admit heroes got real bad at times especially the last half. However, I gave shield a good 6 or so episodes and they were lucky to get that! I just so happened to be in gym at the time with a very limited TV selection. Shield is terribad.

The show actually gets really god some 7-8 episodes in.


yeah the fall season of Shield was...lackluster. It got really good (and has remained so) in the episodes leading up to the Hydra reveal.


I'm actually hopeful... the show started strong, but went out with a whimper.


The katana girl segment was horrendous. Ruined the entire episode for me. Most every power in the game usually revolved around physical mutations, or somehow breaking a law of physics. Turning yourself into code just seems beyond Sci-Fi and straight fantasy and fiction. It was also cheese as all hell. I just couldn't stand it, and almost put it on mute.


Humm..I never got through season 4..season 3 was so bad..

still I hear the reboot has Parkman in it..

he was awesome in season 1 and parts of the rest "what Am I thinking Parkamn..?


I remember reading an interview with Krieg after season 1. He said he always felt the most interesting part of a Super hero story is the Origin Story. That his original plan for later seasons was to focus on new characters. Each season as a self contained story with new characters in a shared world.

Always wondered how the later seasons would have turned out if the strike hadn't happened


Well, that had changed regardless. Sylar was supposed to die, but he turned out so popular that they kept him around. Likewise Hiro, Peter, and Parkman were so popular they were basically forced t keep them as well.

The strike wasn't the ONLY thing that contributed to the slip in quality, it was partly due to building characters to have a one season arc and then stretching that further...especially when those arcs included two of the characters mastering quite possibly the two most story breaking powers in all of fiction (time control/teleportation and power copying).

For one season, especially with power incontinence, those powers are fine...stretched across multiple, with better control? It's hard to make plots that challenge someone who has effectively infinite time to think of any solution or win any fight, and a guy who has the powers of every character who has ever appeared on-screen.

At least, it is to do so without doing what they did: Handing both characters the idiot ball for the rest of the series.

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I enjoyed the first two episodes, looking forward to the rest of this season/mini-series. As for the fantasy elements of translating into code, the original series had a character in the webcomic tie in that had a similar power that let him interact with the digital world, but not in a game, instead with actual hacking type powers.

Also, I think there's more going on with Katana girl, her father obviously has a hand in how things are going in her storyline, and designed the game around her somehow with the top player getting the hidden message with her address. I wonder if she's not actually real and the Evo is her dad who created her in the real world out of the game he created.


Got around to watching them, and I really enjoyed it.

Wasn't the sword Miko/Katana Girl was using Hiro's sword?


JoelF847 wrote:

I enjoyed the first two episodes, looking forward to the rest of this season/mini-series. As for the fantasy elements of translating into code, the original series had a character in the webcomic tie in that had a similar power that let him interact with the digital world, but not in a game, instead with actual hacking type powers.

Also, I think there's more going on with Katana girl, her father obviously has a hand in how things are going in her storyline, and designed the game around her somehow with the top player getting the hidden message with her address. I wonder if she's not actually real and the Evo is her dad who created her in the real world out of the game he created.

The turning into Code thing seems more like dimensional travel. The locations synch up. Sure there is the whole video game thing but it seems almost like casting a Shadow Walk spell.

Plus the power seems incredibly specfic. That video game world would have to been create exclusivly for her from the get go, presumably by her father.

The idea that she was Code originally and her father's power brought her to life is kind of a neat one though. I think we need to pay attention to any talk about her memories. If she has blanks, particularly regarding childhood, then my money is on her being Digital from the start.

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
The katana girl segment was horrendous. Ruined the entire episode for me. Most every power in the game usually revolved around physical mutations, or somehow breaking a law of physics. Turning yourself into code just seems beyond Sci-Fi and straight fantasy and fiction. It was also cheese as all hell. I just couldn't stand it, and almost put it on mute.

Yeah, I didn't really care much for those parts. And including the gamer geek sidekick just made it seem like an attempt to recreate the Hiro and Ando duo, but with even more lameness.

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Greylurker wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:

I enjoyed the first two episodes, looking forward to the rest of this season/mini-series. As for the fantasy elements of translating into code, the original series had a character in the webcomic tie in that had a similar power that let him interact with the digital world, but not in a game, instead with actual hacking type powers.

Also, I think there's more going on with Katana girl, her father obviously has a hand in how things are going in her storyline, and designed the game around her somehow with the top player getting the hidden message with her address. I wonder if she's not actually real and the Evo is her dad who created her in the real world out of the game he created.

The turning into Code thing seems more like dimensional travel. The locations synch up. Sure there is the whole video game thing but it seems almost like casting a Shadow Walk spell.

Plus the power seems incredibly specfic. That video game world would have to been create exclusivly for her from the get go, presumably by her father.

The idea that she was Code originally and her father's power brought her to life is kind of a neat one though. I think we need to pay attention to any talk about her memories. If she has blanks, particularly regarding childhood, then my money is on her being Digital from the start.

If I recall correctly, one of the characters that popped up during the original show run (on webcomics at first), was a human who could project herself into the digital realm. When she died in the physical world, her mind fully transferred into cyberspace.


The video game sequences were pretty cringe worthy, although I guess a way cheaper way to do fight scenes than actually filming them in live action.

The rest of the show so far I like. I am assuming that the penny guy is actually Parkman, who can I think project a different appearance for himself in people's minds.


Why would Parkman bother with the penny thing though? Or interacting directly with the people at all? IIRC he can just whammy anyone "in range" that he can see.

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The second episode of this show continued to entertain me.

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It's looking to me like the Japanese chick is actually a program, and the dude she thinks of as her father is actually an Evo who can give life and form to digital programs. Maybe? It would be a lame power, in my opinion, but leads to an interesting hypothesis....

....What if this process (for lack of a better term) that produces Evos reacts to outside stimuli. In other words, it kind of makes sense for people to evolve superhuman strength, or mind-reading, or energy manipulation. But here we would have someone evolving to interact with technology - much like Micah from the initial series. Their powers are dependent on the advances in civilization mankind has brought about. Could be an interesting avenue to explore.

Molly Walker is a hottie.

In those hospital tapes, I'm wondering if the mystery person Noah was speaking to was Quentin's missing sister. Or, maybe Quentin himself? That would throw for a loop....

I'm hoping Tommy can develop his powers to an extent where he doesn't have to touch something to make it teleport. Or, at least, where he can teleport himself without having to slap himself on the chest, because that was kind of lame.

Zach Levy's character seems to have some kind of energy manipulating powers. Could he be the one who actually caused whatever happened in Odessa? And what's his psycho wife gonna do when she finds out?


Liked the third episode. First two were a bit flat.

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I wonder if Quentin's sister is the woman in the arctic holding off the "badness" or whatever it is.

I also wonder if Zach Levy's character essentially has the same power as the first season nuclear explosion guy who couldn't control his powers and eventually just exploded.


JoelF847 wrote:

I wonder if Quentin's sister is the woman in the arctic holding off the "badness" or whatever it is.

I also wonder if Zach Levy's character essentially has the same power as the first season nuclear explosion guy who couldn't control his powers and eventually just exploded.

He didn't explode, he got Sylar'ed

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MMCJawa wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:

I wonder if Quentin's sister is the woman in the arctic holding off the "badness" or whatever it is.

I also wonder if Zach Levy's character essentially has the same power as the first season nuclear explosion guy who couldn't control his powers and eventually just exploded.

He didn't explode, he got Sylar'ed

Yes, but if he hadn't been he would have turned into a nuke. Pretty sure there was a future vision at some point showing it happen.

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JoelF847 wrote:

I wonder if Quentin's sister is the woman in the arctic holding off the "badness" or whatever it is.

It looks like the chick in the arctic is a character named Malina, while Quentin's sister's name is Phoebe. Two very different actresses playing them.


I'm enjoying the Heroes Reboot. I think the thing about it that is appealing to me is that it is supposed to be a limited run series. This means they are going to have a clear set of arcs that they wrap up by the end of the series and they won't be writing themselves into silliness like they did with Sylar et al. in the original.


I dunno...I get a feeling that Kring and co are probably hoping, that if ratings are good they will get further seasons. I feel like these "reboot" series are sort of just testing the waters in that direction, to see if those franchises are viable.


Tommy was in series 1 wasn't he. I seem to remember a baby teleporting his father away at one point and then nothing being done with that.

Wonder if his dad is still out there.

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G~!&!!n it!!!!

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Adult Molly Walker was a hottie! Why'd they have to kill her off?!?

That blond hottie has some serious power. I'm guessing she's the one the bad guys are looking for. The one Molly refused to find for them.

And it seems like the villains developed tech (using Katana chick's father's powers, maybe?) allowing them to convert an Evo's powers into a digital format.

I'm guessing the evil cop in L. A. is another hunter for the bad guys, delivering Evos for their conversion program.

Looks like we'll finally get to see Quentin's sister. And it looks like she's a bad guy.

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More thoughts...

Spoiler:
Welcome back, Hiro! At least they got rid of that annoying sidekick....Oh! Hello, Ren.

The less said about Katana Girl, the better.

Interesting plan you've got their, Renautas. Be a shame if something happened to it....oh, wait. Nevermind, you're just a bunch of evil pricks, using technology to harness the power of Evo's so you can move your "correct kind of people" to the future, on the other side of some global cataclysm, so you can rebuild a "utopia", while letting all the "inferior people" burn and die. How very eugenics of you.

Poor Phoebe, not only do you have a way more lame version of the Haitian's ability (which you used to kill your own brother), but your a pathetic, whiny little goth chick, as well.

I'm liking the Luke/Malina team-up, but something tells me Luke's b*~%#%+ crazy, murderous a@$#%~+ of a wife is going to show up to cause problems. It'll be interesting to watch Luke have to take her out.

Speaking of Malina.....watch out, Emily! You're about to get some competition for Tommy's affections. And this competition has powers.


I enjoy Aberzombie's thoughts on Heroes =)

I must've been too into my Hearthstone match at the time because I did not catch that "We are using Hiro's powers to teleport ourselves forward in time" bit...I assumed that they imprisoned Hiro because he was the only person they felt could stop them.

I've gotta stop playing Hearthstone while watching this show.


The uh way they contained Hiro...it still makes me cross my eyes and go "Whhaaat?"

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An interesting turn of events...

Spoiler:
Going back to the past, in an attempt to prevent the bombing of Odessa, they instead discover that Claire was pregnant, died in childbirth, and had...twins!

So Malina and Tommy/Nathan are the super-powered twins of Claire and.....who? And it was interesting to see the nurse be Tommy's future "mother".

And those bits with "darkness girl". Still a lame power when compared to the Haitian, but the chick's a lot cuter when she doesn't have her Goth on.

It'll be interesting to see how Angela and Hiro go about hiding the kids.

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Hmmm....

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Quentin, you rat bastard. I knew you couldn't be trusted.

I had forgotten that Claire was actually Nathan's daughter. That was an interesting way of explaining her death - that Nathan Jr./Tommy leeched her power away. At least they learned their lesson right off the bat with him - he can only hold one power at a time.

If he's the new (at least for now) Master of Time and Space, then why does his power work differently from Hiro's?

That Erica chick is a really evil b!&++.

And, hey! Looks like Luke's psycho wife is gonna be coming back to cause more trouble. What a crazy b!%@~.


Spoiler:

Well, Quentin WAS trustworthy.

Then Noah stepped on a butterfly.

He shot Erica, which made Quentin catch her trying to escape to the stairwell, which made her a captive audience to his demands, which let her promise him the one thing he wanted: To see his sister.

Then she had a year to bend him to her will she otherwise didn't have because he ever got to see his sister.

I liked the explanation for Nathan Jr.'s power too, though I'm disappointed he had to take Hiro's. I like Hiro, especially now that he'd gotten really smart with how to use his power. I wonder if the power goes back to the original user if he absorbs a new power?

That would leave it open for Claire to come back if she was ever available, and for Hiro to get his power back.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. Seems like they're setting it up so his sister gets killed and he has to absorb her power to save the world.


I like what I am seeing thus far.


Rynjin wrote:
Seems like they're setting it up so... ** spoiler omitted **

I don't think so, because...

Spoiler:
It makes no sense to spend years having Malina learn to use her power, only to transfer it at the last minute to someone who has zero experience with it. I'll grant you that Angela hinted Something Bad was coming for the twins, like they save the world but one or both of them is killed in the process.

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Damn!

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Erica is one seriously twisted b$~+$. And, in the end, I think she's been one of the more compelling villains the show has ever seen - A psycho, uber-wealthy demagogue who want to save the human race, but only by allowing untold billions to die while she picks those she thinks are worthy to form a new utopia. Not necessarily original, but that type of villain works well for a reason. And the actress has been really good in the role.

Whoa there, Parkman! Go power-mad much? F&*#, dude! You're making your dad, good old Nightmare Man Maury, look like a f!%*ing saint. And, damn, have his power's grown. Makes me wonder if they have Ando stashed away somewhere, as he eventually gained the ability to boost other Evo's powers.

I liked Penny for your Thoughts dude. Casper, I think, was his name. Sorry to see the other psycho b+~!+ put a bullet in his head.

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You know what....?

Spoiler:
F%&~ you, Parkman. I seriously hope the Haitian and Noah team up and put a bullet in your f#%~ing head. You traitorous loser.

Tommy, seems like you weren't lulled by the psycho b$*~#'s b%*!~%!#. Way to get the hell out of there.

How the f~%~ does a damn digital construct given life end up in the future?

Way to go a+&$+&@s on the highway - young girl uses her powers to save your worthless lives, and you repay her with blame and attempted violence. A!*%*~*s. Oh, and way to go Hollywood, for using that stereotype of a redneck with a shotgun - you're also a bunch of a$#~&!#s, but we already knew that.

Way to step up Luke. I can't wait to see you take on your psycho ex wife. Although, maybe you can turn her around, reveal the truth to her, and get her to pop a cap in original recipe multi-man dickwad.

Erica, someone needs to just teleport your psycho ass into space so you can explode. Same with pathetic little goth girl psycho.


How does construct end up in the future? That's where Hiro's power was sending everything before she freed him. It probably poofed her there when she let him out.

And I mean, it's Texas. That stereotype exists for a reason.

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