Non-cloak Resistance Bonus to Saves Items


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Dark Archive

For PFS (so no customer items), I'm looking for a source of Resistance bonuses to my saving throws that don't use the same item slot as a cloak.

I'm not a spellcaster, and Multiclassing isn't really an option.

I can possible get the bonuses from a prestige class ability for Order of the Godclaw Hellknight, but it will be way way behind a cloak of
resistance appropriate for my level.

A temporary solution using consumable magic items end up being my best option, but there has to be some items out there that I'm missing that can at least help one of my saves.

Armor slot and 1 Ring slot are already taken, but the rest besides Cloak are free.

Any ideas?

Grand Lodge

There is an Ioun Stone that gives a resistance bonus, however it is 10k if I recall, kinda expensive compared to the cloak.


The ioun stone also only goes up to +1.

I don't think there's a means to replace the Cloak of Resistance without being a Cleric with the Protection domain.


There is the Guardian Weapon Special Ability. You probably want to use your weapon enhancement for offense most of the time, but Guardian can be nice in emergency situations.

Telling us your race and class might help.


The thing about the Big 6 is that they are limited to those items. That's why they are the Big 6. But depending on the save there are ways to boost it quite high without items. A familiar can give you a +2 to a save. Half-orc and fate's favored can be a +2 to all saves. Iron will/the likes gives you a +2. You can get a +1 from a trait. half-elf can boost most will saves by 4.

Just curious what your planned cloak is that would be worth having is?


Also a Luck Blade with no wishes left still gives a +1 luck bonus to sll saves.


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The problem is most of your non cloak options are very expensive and don't scale.

The amber spindle ioun stone (Seeker of Secrets) is 10,000 and grants a +1 stacking resistance bonus to saves (max +5).

There are several expensive robes which grant a +4 bonus (Otherwordly kimono, Resplendent robes of the thespian, robe of the archmage.)


Maezer wrote:

The problem is most of your non cloak options are very expensive and don't scale.

The amber spindle ioun stone (Seeker of Secrets) is 10,000 and grants a +1 stacking resistance bonus to saves (max +5).

There are several expensive robes which grant a +4 bonus (Otherwordly kimono, Resplendent robes of the thespian, robe of the archmage.)

Not all of the listed items are PFS legal.


Chess Pwn wrote:
Maezer wrote:

The problem is most of your non cloak options are very expensive and don't scale.

The amber spindle ioun stone (Seeker of Secrets) is 10,000 and grants a +1 stacking resistance bonus to saves (max +5).

There are several expensive robes which grant a +4 bonus (Otherwordly kimono, Resplendent robes of the thespian, robe of the archmage.)

Not all of the listed items are PFS legal.

Also, the OP said he wasn't a spellcaster, so he couldn't use several of these.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Are the modules that include the off-slot items sanctioned for PFS? Tomb of the Iron Medusa is a bit high-level, but I don't remember if Seven Swords of Sin is.

In any case, the Bodice of Resistance might not be on the Chronicle Sheet. Or may not be the right fit for your character. :)

Dark Archive

Level 6 Human Cavalier going into Hellknight. Planning on picking up protection domain through order of the Godclaw, but that doesn't kick in until level 9, and only at a +1 bonus.

I want to get a cloak of the manta ray. I know it's not an optimal choice, but I have a chance to get one at 75% from a chronical sheet, and this character is designed to play with my friends character who is a former Chelish Marine who is well suited to fighting underwater, and I like the idea of turning into a Hellknight-Armored Submarine.

Does that Ioun Stone only stack with itself?

Sometimes stuff listed in AP's are legal options to purchase even without playing that AP for PFS credit. What book is that Bodice in? I'm to trade the ability to breath for a bonus to saves.


Isn't the "vest of resistance +x" PFS legal? You can wear that beneath armor.

Dark Archive

Is it actually printed in some book? I was not aware it being an explicitly listed item.

Grand Lodge

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If your manliness can survive it, there's always the Bodice of Resistance.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Victor Zajic wrote:

Level 6 Human Cavalier going into Hellknight. Planning on picking up protection domain through order of the Godclaw, but that doesn't kick in until level 9, and only at a +1 bonus.

I want to get a cloak of the manta ray. I know it's not an optimal choice, but I have a chance to get one at 75% from a chronical sheet, and this character is designed to play with my friends character who is a former Chelish Marine who is well suited to fighting underwater, and I like the idea of turning into a Hellknight-Armored Submarine.

Does that Ioun Stone only stack with itself?

Sometimes stuff listed in AP's are legal options to purchase even without playing that AP for PFS credit. What book is that Bodice in? I'm to trade the ability to breath for a bonus to saves.

The bodice of resistance +3 is from Seven Swords of Sin, a 3.5 module from the Gamemastery line. I ctrl-f'ed Additional Resources, but couldn't find anything on its legality, nor could I find any links to a Chronicle Sheet for it in a simple search.

As such, I cannot guarantee its legality. Sorry. :)

Tomb of the Iron Medusa contains the gown of resistance +4, and is sanctioned for Society play; however, it's a 14th-level adventure, and the gown might not match your Hellknight plate. So... there's that.

Runelord Karzoug's fabulous amber spindle ioun stones only stack with themselves. They're probably still your best bet.

Hope this helps. :)

Grand Lodge

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Kalindlara wrote:


Tomb of the Iron Medusa contains the gown of resistance +4, and is sanctioned for Society play; however, it's a 14th-level adventure, and the gown might not match your Hellknight plate. So... there's that.

In the day, truly manly knights showed off by wearing bras tossed to them by their ladies OVER their armor. :)

Dark Archive

Kalindlara wrote:


Runelord Karzoug's fabulous amber spindle ioun stones only stack with themselves. They're probably still your best bet.

Are those from Rise of the Runelords, or Seekers of Secrets?

Grand Lodge

Best bet non-cloak is Amber Spindle Ioun Stones (for the full +5 it's literally twice as expensive as the cloak however at 50k instead of 25k, any less and it's more than twice as expensive (10 times at +1))

However there are a few other options along the way. Pale Green Prism (Cracked) is 4k for a +1 competence bonus, a clear spindle ioun stone is also 4k and while resonated gives you immunity to possession and mind control (from evil sources only) etc. Late level (probably seeker) you can add on a Stone of Good Luck (20k) etc.

There is realistically however, a pretty good reason almost every player gets the cloak. It's cheap and there are relatively few other ways to really shore up your saves (which are more important than hp at higher levels of play)

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Try consumable magic items, perhaps?

Protection from Evil grants a +2 resistance bonus on saves against evil.

Ward the Faithful is a 3rd-level Inquisitor spell that grants a +2 resistance bonus on all saves to creatures that worship the same god as the caster for 10 minutes/level. And the bonus scales with level, though if you're using magic items, that won't work very well. A potion would cost 1,050 GP and last 70 minutes; scrolls would be half that if you can use UMD. Pricey, but it might come out less than buying a permanent magic item if you only need a temporary solution.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Victor Zajic wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:


Runelord Karzoug's fabulous amber spindle ioun stones only stack with themselves. They're probably still your best bet.

Are those from Rise of the Runelords, or Seekers of Secrets?

Both. :)

They originally appeared in Rise of the Runelords. (I assumed the Runelord had a better use for his shoulders slot, but Karzoug has nothing there, even in the Anniversary Edition.)

They were then reprinted in Seekers of Secrets for general consumption. This is where we get their price, as both the original Rise of the Runelords and the Anniversary Edition list them as minor artifacts that cannot be crafted or bought. I'm not sure if you could buy one without Seekers of Secrets.

If you're willing to settle for a maximum of +3, you might want the flawed amber spindle ioun stone instead. Same benefit, only with a +3 cap; 6,000 gp each instead of 10,000. 18,000 for a slotless +3 seems OK. :)

Sovereign Court

BartonOliver wrote:
a clear spindle ioun stone is also 4k and while resonated gives you immunity to possession and mind control (from evil sources only) etc.

No - it works against all sources. Protection from evil does that against all sources as well - it's only the deflection/resis bonuses that only work against evil sources.

Edit: my bad - protection from evil only works vs evil - but the clear spindle still works against everything


Protection from Evil: "Second, the subject immediately receives another saving throw (if one was allowed to begin with) against any spells or effects that possess or exercise mental control over the creature... While under the effects of this spell, the target is immune to any new attempts to possess or exercise mental control over the target... This second effect only functions against spells and effects created by evil creatures or objects, subject to GM discretion."


Charon's Little Helper wrote:


my bad - protection from evil only works vs evil - but the clear spindle still works against everything

By strict RAW, why would that be?

resonance power wrote:
Protection from possession and mental control (as protection from evil).

The protection from possession and mental control is explicitly stated to work as protection from evil.

Protection from evil only works against effects from evil sources.

Therefore the ioun stone only works against effects from evil sources.

For the item to protect from all sources, it would have to say "...as protection from evil, except the protection functions against spells and effects regardless of the alignment of their source" or similar. Heck, it could just say "immunity to attempts to possess or exercise mental control over the target" instead.


Not an item, but you could befriend a witch with the Ward hex. +1 to AC and saves, and +3 if she's a high enough level. The ward fails once someone gets through your AC or you fail a save, but the witch can reapply the hex; it's not a once per day sort of hex.

Grand Lodge

Charon's Little Helper wrote:
BartonOliver wrote:
a clear spindle ioun stone is also 4k and while resonated gives you immunity to possession and mind control (from evil sources only) etc.

No - it works against all sources. Protection from evil does that against all sources as well - it's only the deflection/resis bonuses that only work against evil sources.

Edit: my bad - protection from evil only works vs evil - but the clear spindle still works against everything

Strictly speaking - no it doesn't I promise you there are scenarios and writers who design around the clear spindle. All of the properties of the clear spindle are derived from prot evil, including the mind control part. If your GM doesn't run it that way, well, that's nice for you, but I wouldn't count on it.


Permanancy works with the Resistance spell. That’s only a +1 resistance bonus to saves, and it costs 2,500 gold, but it’ll still be active when you get attacked in the bathtub.

Grand Lodge

Emmit Svenson wrote:
Permanancy works with the Resistance spell. That’s only a +1 resistance bonus to saves, and it costs 2,500 gold, but it’ll still be active when you get attacked in the bathtub.

Unfortunately in PFS it doesn't work. There are only three permanent effects; continual flame, masterwork transformation, secret page, and secret chest, that you can carry over across scenarios. (You also may only have up to 1 of each)

Dark Archive

Kalindlara wrote:


If you're willing to settle for a maximum of +3, you might want the flawed amber spindle ioun stone instead. Same benefit, only with a +3 cap; 6,000 gp each instead of 10,000. 18,000 for a slotless +3 seems OK. :)

This is looking like it's going to be my best option. Thanks a bunch, I would never have found that on my own.

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