Going online, it would appear as though one could create a dagger out of sharpened bone, or obsidian, but not stone.
I don't have my Ultimate Equipment book handy, but am pretty sure it allows for light/one handed weapons the same as bone and obsidian...
Am I losing my mind?
You can actually make a BONE dagger or obsidian dagger in Pathfinder, but not one of these:
http://www.woodyblackwell.com/portfolio.html
According to the internet... stone isn't sharp in Pathfinder...
I seem to recall it being allowed in the books however.
I can even sharpen a piece of WOOD to make something with the same stats as a dagger!
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/stake -wooden
Anyone able to clarify this? Don't bother looking it up online, it says this:
"Stone
Stone Age weapons almost always utilize stone in some way. From rocks lashed to wooden hafts to create early maces and axes, to flint knives and stone arrowheads, these primitive weapons are still deadly.
Stone weapons cost a quarter of what base items of their type do, and weigh 75% of what base items of their type do.
Weapons: Light and one-handed bludgeoning weapons, spears, and arrowheads can all be made of stone.
Weapons made of stone have half the hardness of their base weapons, and have the fragile condition."
So using their own example, there are apparently blunt axes, blunt flint knives in the game... ARGH!
Anyone able to shed some insight here?
There's a difference between a knife and a dagger. A stone knife wouldn't be a very effective combat weapon (at least in my opinion) due to its small size and fragility. It's more of a tool.
Just had a very similar discussion elsewhere. The d20pfsrd bit you quoted matches my copy of Ultimate Equipment.
Which edition of the book do you have? I'm gonna try to convince my DM that stone stabby things (having been made in real life) should be allowed in the game...
I'm 'powergaming' trying to make daggers out of rock, rather than obsidian... It allows for easy replenishment of weapons, and since they are fragile they can be used with Splintering Weapon to cause bleed damage...
I swear I'm losing my mind, if the book actually says what the srd does, wow...
Blunt knives and axes... I want stats on those. :D
There's a difference between a knife and a dagger. A stone knife wouldn't be a very effective combat weapon (at least in my opinion) due to its small size and fragility. It's more of a tool.
http://www.woodyblackwell.com/portfolio.html
These things held a razor edge, they were super effective at killing stuff. As the pictures show, they could be rather large...
As for fragility, no argument there. Stone weapons have the Fragile quality in game.
Even the rock tied to a stick, aka the club. Go figure.
Maybe they assumed no one would want to make weapons in game out of rock and just didn't finish writing up the rules.
*shrugs*
Well, I just re-read my copies of Ultimate Combat and Ultimate Equipment... apparently I'm an idiot.
Paizo has published material explicitly citing knives as an example of what rocks can make, then disallowed one from making knives from rock.
You can craft a six inch razor sharp stabbing tool from stone, as long as you tie it to the end of a stick. If you remove this part from the spear, it either becomes blunt or crumbles to dust?
That's right folks.
Stone can NOT be used to make anything pointy, unless it is a spear or an arrow.
How did our civilization evolve?
I realize that one could simply state that Obsidian is a stand-in for Flint, but I find it odd that the category of 'stone' would be included in the game at all, and even stranger that you can make spear points out of it, but not daggers...
Rant over.
I would simply remove 'Stone' as a material from the book as a choice for weapons/armor, and change 'Obsidian' to 'Obsidian, Flint and similar'
My question was whether or not someone had a printing of either Ultimate Combat or Ultimate Equipment that supported the idea that one could use 'Stone' to make pointy things like daggers...
I was mistaken that I had read it thusly, and was asking for help from others to try and prove a point I was wrong about.
I still don't agree with Paizo's view on it though.
I don't see a rules question here. As for the thematic question, "stone" is a terrible material to make weapons out of. It's also a great material. And a bunch of mediocre ones. It's super vague what "stone" it is. Including obsidian as its own material just muddies things further. Would you use a sandstone dagger? How about diamond? Does iron ore count as "stone" if it's still ore?
The rules question would be why the examples (knives/axes) given don't match the actual mechanics (bludgeoning/spears/arrows). Could be a FAQ/errata issue.
Presumably "stone" represents something specific in the designer's mind that has all of the properties here. Granite maybe? Strong enough to be a weapon but not strong enough to carve that small?
They give flint as an example. "flint knives", PRD (UE).
Update, my GM agrees that flint knives and axes are sharp, and agrees with the reading that allows for stone to be used in the construction of light weapons.
No need to come up with stats for bludgeoning axes and flint knives.