5B: The Play's The Thing Reward Question

[Logan Holt]

Reward wrote:

The party gets all the allies under this card.

Each character draws an ally that has an adventure deck number of 5 or lower from the box.

Does this mean that characters add the allies under the scenario card like plunder, or is this allowing more than one reward card?

The wording is not completely clear. I am assuming plunder, but I wanted to test other's opinions.

[Andrew L Klein]

Though it basically works the same way, it's not called plunder anywhere, it isn't plunder. It just adds to the pool of cards available to use for upgrades (in addition to acquired cards and plunder).

[Vic Wertz]

Andrew is correct.

[NyteJKL]

For the second part of the reward where:

Reward Text wrote:

Each character draws an ally that has an adventure deck number of 5 or lower from the box

Is that supposed to be drawn randomly or does the player get to choose? In 0-4B, it specifically states "random" but then again this reward is worded differently from prior rewards as it specifically states "Adventure Deck 5 or lower" which doesn't really need to be stated since the box should only consist of cards up to AD5

[Alifera]

There is another post on this somewhere. For the second part of the reward, you get to choose your ally up to adventure deck 5.

[NyteJKL]

Thanks Alifera. I did a search for 0-5B and didn't pull up anything but this thread and another about a recharge power with regard to this scenario on the first few pages of search results.

[zeroth_hour]

I'm not convinced that you get to choose. I think it's just an oversight and you're supposed to be given a random ally.

The only guidance is the following (Guide of PFSACG OP, 2.1, p8):

"The procedure for earning scenario rewards (or adventure rewards, or adventure path rewards) follows the standard rules with one exception: When you would be rewarded with a card from the box, you instead take a random card of the same type from your Class Deck box. The card you take cannot have an adventure deck number higher than that of the scenario you completed."

Since the reward was an ally from the box, you still have to take a random ally from your Class Deck box instead.

Tanis should clarify since the wording is super unusual, but since this is the only OP rule that applies, I'm going to say it applies here.

[Pirate Rob]

It's specifically non-random as a result of lots of complaining regarding random rewards not being strong enough.

[First World Bard]

Tanis has confirmed that it is non-random elsewhere.

[zeroth_hour]

Cool; makes sense, thanks.

[Hawkmoon269]

This may be the thread you are all referring to.

[Vic Wertz]

Hold please. Drawing from the box is always random, unless a specific card is named. (See this FAQ.) If Tanis wants this reward *not* to be random, it needs to use the word "chooses" instead of the word "draws."

[Rebel Song]

I know you said to hold, Vic, but I wanted to point out the specific reward text.

Other scenarios say "each player gains a random weapon or item," indicating that you randomly choose from all of your options from your class deck (in this case, Adventure 5 and below). This scenario specifically states "each player draws an ally that has an adventure deck number of 5 or below from the box." Why word it differently if "each player gains a random ally" was the intention?

Unless "the box" in this case is the base box and not the class deck. Which completely negates my entire previous paragraph. (We played this one last night so we had a fun argument about it).

[Theryon Stormrune]

When we played this one, because the reward did not say "random" like other rewards, we figured we were able to choose an ally 5 or below.

[Rebel Song]

All three of us picked our 5 allies. I've been looking forward to having that Exalted in my deck since day one! :D

[NyteJKL]

I am hoping that Tanis has a chance to chime in. We just beat 0-5A last night and plan to do this scenario tomorrow.

Playing as Kyra, I too want to get my Exalted, but if no response given by the time we play, will probably draw random to err on caution.

[Vic Wertz]

Rebel Song wrote:

I know you said to hold, Vic, but I wanted to point out the specific reward text.

Other scenarios say "each player gains a random weapon or item," indicating that you randomly choose from all of your options from your class deck (in this case, Adventure 5 and below). This scenario specifically states "each player draws an ally that has an adventure deck number of 5 or below from the box." Why word it differently if "each player gains a random ally" was the intention?

I can't speak for Tanis's intent, but I can speak for templating. We used to say "draw a random X from the box," but since the FAQ entry I linked defined a drawing from the box as random unless a specific card is named, the template is now simply "draw an X from the box." They should be considered equivalent. If we want you to choose, old template or new, we should say "choose."

Rebel Song wrote:

Unless "the box" in this case is the base box and not the class deck. Which completely negates my entire previous paragraph.

Earning Scenario Rewards (Page 8 of the Guide) wrote:

When you would

be rewarded with a card from the box, you instead take a random card of the same type from your Class Deck box.

So as currently worded, that reward is very clearly a random card of the same type from your class deck box.

[Vic Wertz]

Tanis says the reward for this scenario (and only this scenario) should be "Each character chooses an ally that has an adventure deck number of 5 or lower from the box." We'll get that updated.

[NyteJKL]

Great! Thanks for confirming

[Rebel Song]

Whoohoo! I was worried I was going to have to attempt to take the red dragon away from Valeros... That wouldn't end well for me.