Would this be a legal solution?


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Okay, so I'm perusing through random items and I come across Looking over the interactions between Portable Hole and Bag of Holding.

Core Rulebook wrote:
If a portable hole is placed within a bag of holding, it opens a gate to the Astral Plane: the hole, the bag, and any creatures within a 10-foot radius are drawn there, destroying the portable hole and bag of holding in the process.

No saving throw either...

So let's say there's a particularly difficult Big-Bad, and the party is all but in pieces. Could it be a thing to just walk up to the bad guy, shove the Portable Hole into the Bag of Holding, and just suck the boss away to the Astral Plane with you? Is this winning the scenario for all?

Also, IF this DID work, could you just spend the 5 Prestige for a body recovery? Or would you have to pay for any kind of resurrection? Personally, I think 5 Prestige is a small price to pay if it means the party succeeds the mission.

Thinking the phrase "Table Variation" is inevitable here.

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Brigg wrote:

Okay, so I'm perusing through random items and I come across Looking over the interactions between Portable Hole and Bag of Holding.

Core Rulebook wrote:
If a portable hole is placed within a bag of holding, it opens a gate to the Astral Plane: the hole, the bag, and any creatures within a 10-foot radius are drawn there, destroying the portable hole and bag of holding in the process.

No saving throw either...

So let's say there's a particularly difficult Big-Bad, and the party is all but in pieces. Could it be a thing to just walk up to the bad guy, shove the Portable Hole into the Bag of Holding, and just suck the boss away to the Astral Plane with you?

Doable, but you need to whip out the bag as a move action (if it's not already out), then the same for the P.H., then whatever actions you need to get to the BBEG, then a move action to stuff the one in the other. So it'll take you a couple rounds. But yeah, the items do what they say they do.

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Is this winning the scenario for all?

Depends on the success conditions; you might now have one less person to rescue hostages or whatever. Also, if things are in that bad of shape, there might be a KO'd ally or two at the BBEG's feet that get sucked in as well, which is PvP if you don't get their consent first.

But in some cases, yeah, it could be an option.

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Also, IF this DID work, could you just spend the 5 Prestige for a body recovery?

Or have plane shift prepared. ;)

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Or would you have to pay for any kind of resurrection?

Depends. Did you die? I'm not sure what the ecology of the astral plane is like; better have life bubble up, just in case. Actually, do that regardless, because life bubble.

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Personally, I think 5 Prestige is a small price to pay if it means the party succeeds the mission.

That's the spirit! :D

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Jiggy wrote:
Depends. Did you die? I'm not sure what the ecology of the astral plane is like; better have life bubble up, just in case. Actually, do that regardless, because life bubble.

As a huge fan of Planescape, I have a bit of experience here. It's pretty much just endless grey nothingness. You can breathe, but there's no water or food unless you bring it yourself. Movement is also a pain unless you know how it works before you arrive since there is no land to walk on.

The bigger problem is that the gate would probably drop you and the BBEG who was badass enough to require using the magical equivalent of a tactical nuclear weapon off right next to each other, and they're going to be even more ticked off now than they were before. So if you weren't dead already, you will be very shortly :)

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It seems unlikely that travelling to the Astral Plane would kill a particularly difficult Big Bad while only mildly inconveniencing a PC who was having trouble dealing with it with a full party. Circumstances might dictate something unusual, but I'd regretfully be inclined to say the Big Bad would kill the PC off screen (dealing with the body according to its nature) and any success conditions would resolve as if the Big Bad escaped. It might help the rest of the party not to die though.

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Actually, I just thought of something related and strange and possibly wonderful/broken. The Pathfinder Pouch is the cheapest BOH-style item in the game, so it is presumably what you would use for your astral plane nuke. But the pouch has the odd feature of being able to turn the extradimensional space on and off to hide it. What happens if you turn off the extradimensional space of the pouch, put the Portable Hole inside (you should be fine to this point because there's no pocket plane shenanigans going on yet), then you said the word to activate the pouch's planar storage? Presumably the stuff that was in there before has to go *somewhere*. And if that somewhere was another extradimensional space, you might actually be able to pre-pack one of these, then just be able to throw it at their feet and speak the command word.

Portable Pocket Nuke. Yours now for only 21,000gp :)

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Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:
Presumably the stuff that was in there before has to go *somewhere*.

It's still right where it was: inside the actual, physical pouch. But now when you reach in through the top, your hand no longer dips into the pouch, but into an extradimensional space. Extradimensional spaces don't take up any dimensional space.

So no, this variant doesn't work.


Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:

Actually, I just thought of something related and strange and possibly wonderful/broken. The Pathfinder Pouch is the cheapest BOH-style item in the game, so it is presumably what you would use for your astral plane nuke. But the pouch has the odd feature of being able to turn the extradimensional space on and off to hide it. What happens if you turn off the extradimensional space of the pouch, put the Portable Hole inside (you should be fine to this point because there's no pocket plane shenanigans going on yet), then you said the word to activate the pouch's planar storage? Presumably the stuff that was in there before has to go *somewhere*. And if that somewhere was another extradimensional space, you might actually be able to pre-pack one of these, then just be able to throw it at their feet and speak the command word.

Portable Pocket Nuke. Yours now for only 21,000gp :)

Sorry to OT here, but where can I find that pouch?

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Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:

Actually, I just thought of something related and strange and possibly wonderful/broken. The Pathfinder Pouch is the cheapest BOH-style item in the game, so it is presumably what you would use for your astral plane nuke. But the pouch has the odd feature of being able to turn the extradimensional space on and off to hide it. What happens if you turn off the extradimensional space of the pouch, put the Portable Hole inside (you should be fine to this point because there's no pocket plane shenanigans going on yet), then you said the word to activate the pouch's planar storage? Presumably the stuff that was in there before has to go *somewhere*. And if that somewhere was another extradimensional space, you might actually be able to pre-pack one of these, then just be able to throw it at their feet and speak the command word.

Portable Pocket Nuke. Yours now for only 21,000gp :)

A very angry , and powerful, entity from the astral plane gates in to have a few words with about polluting his home. That or expect table variation.

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Thefurmonger wrote:
Sorry to OT here, but where can I find that pouch?

I believe it is from the PFS campaign guide.

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Jiggy wrote:
Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:
Presumably the stuff that was in there before has to go *somewhere*.

It's still right where it was: inside the actual, physical pouch. But now when you reach in through the top, your hand no longer dips into the pouch, but into an extradimensional space. Extradimensional spaces don't take up any dimensional space.

So no, this variant doesn't work.

If that was the case, why do bags of holding have volume? If there wasn't some mapped volume you could much more easily have a dinner plate or frisbee of holding :)

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Does it work in reverse? It used to work that way but that was a couple of editions ago. If so:

Step 1: set out portable hole
Step 2: Kick BBEG in screaming "THIS IS SPARTA"
Step 3: Toss in another extra-dimensional space (I'd go with handy haversack as it is cheaper)


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You mean this?

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
You mean this?

I like it, but at 23k a pop I think I'd rather just stab the bbeg

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Tamec wrote:

Does it work in reverse? It used to work that way but that was a couple of editions ago. If so:

Step 1: set out portable hole
Step 2: Kick BBEG in screaming "THIS IS SPARTA"
Step 3: Toss in another extra-dimensional space (I'd go with handy haversack as it is cheaper)

Nah, putting the bag into the hole does not produce the same effect. it just makes the two disappear forever. I'm supposing it's made this way in order to prevent people from placing the hole down and throwing the bag in from a distance.

Thanks for all the feedback on this. I may not actually try this for a very long time. But it's good to know the pros and cons of it. And it's good to know that it would even work to begin with. ^.^!

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
You mean this?

<3

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I don't see any reason why the combat wouldn't just continue once you reached the astral plane, and with some BBEGs that isn't going to even slow them down very much. I can think of a handful that could return to the point of origin without too much trouble, as well. So be careful!

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
You mean this?

What's the craft DC for that? >.>

*Runs away* ===┌(;´Д`)ノ

EDIT: Actually Tamec, after re-reading your idea of kicking the BBEG in, THEN throwing the bag in...I think that could work that way, too. But it would only work on bad guys medium or smaller.

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Brigg wrote:


EDIT: Actually Tamec, after re-reading your idea of kicking the BBEG in, THEN throwing the bag in...I think that could work that way, too. But it would only work on bad guys medium or smaller.

Well, if the BBEG is Large or larger, would standing 5' away while doing your Hole 'o Bagiciding suck you and half of the BBEG onto the astral plane? That sounds marginally more survivable. =D

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Zach Klopfleisch wrote:
Brigg wrote:
EDIT: Actually Tamec, after re-reading your idea of kicking the BBEG in, THEN throwing the bag in...I think that could work that way, too. But it would only work on bad guys medium or smaller.
Well, if the BBEG is Large or larger, would standing 5' away while doing your Hole 'o Bagiciding suck you and half of the BBEG onto the astral plane? That sounds marginally more survivable. =D

That sounds more like "Marginally more bananas". I would think, though, that the whole bad guy gets sucked in...maybe unless it was Colossal. Because a Gargantuan Creature takes up space just big enough to fit in a 10-foot radius (20-foot diameter) hole.

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