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Rysky wrote:

What is his relationship with Ragadahn?

With the Azi?

The Eldest are pretty enigmatic, and there's sparse information on them at present. I'd say that Dahak probably is vaguely aware of Ragadahn's existence, but his vendetta with Apsu and preparation for their conflict blinds him to having any relation. If anything, followers of Dahak and Ragadahn probably bear a deep enmity to one another, since both religions see their respective deity as the parent figure of dragons. The likely (by no means official) truth is that both Dahak and Ragadahn are likely the source of their respective draconic offspring. Dahak to chromatics and Ragadahn to linnorms.

Oh, the Azi. I'd originally checked in with Amanda on these odd 3.5 dragons, and it was decided that word count should probably be put elsewhere. So, I wouldn't expect anything with them in the near future at least.

Now, entirely head-canon... the current information on Thuvia was intended to link into the Azi. Right now, that particular nugget changed into the idea that Dahak's servants are looking at the House of Oblivion. After all, if it's a linked gateway to Abaddon, could it be re-pointed to somewhere like Dahak's realm in Hell? :)

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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Rysky wrote:

What is his relationship with Ragadahn?

With the Azi?

The Eldest are pretty enigmatic, and there's sparse information on them at present. I'd say that Dahak probably is vaguely aware of Ragadahn's existence, but his vendetta with Apsu and preparation for their conflict blinds him to having any relation. If anything, followers of Dahak and Ragadahn probably bear a deep enmity to one another, since both religions see their respective deity as the parent figure of dragons. The likely (by no means official) truth is that both Dahak and Ragadahn are likely the source of their respective draconic offspring. Dahak to chromatics and Ragadahn to linnorms.

Oh, the Azi. I'd originally checked in with Amanda on these odd 3.5 dragons, and it was decided that word count should probably be put elsewhere. So, I wouldn't expect anything with them in the near future at least.

Now, entirely head-canon... the current information on Thuvia was intended to link into the Azi. Right now, that particular nugget changed into the idea that Dahak's servants are looking at the House of Oblivion. After all, if it's a linked gateway to Abaddon, could it be re-pointed to somewhere like Dahak's realm in Hell? :)

Again, Thankies ^w^

So Dahak went back to Hell?

Which layer does he favor?

What does Asmodeus think about having him so close by?

How did Dahak originally wind up there and away from the rest of his family?

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Rysky wrote:

So Dahak went back to Hell?

Which layer does he favor?

What does Asmodeus think about having him so close by?

How did Dahak originally wind up there and away from the rest of his family?

Correct, he did return to hell. His preferred locale is his own realm, located on the layer of Caina. There's more on his relationship with Mephistopheles in the text.

As for how he mound up there, Tiamat and Apsu left Dahak to fend for himself in a similar manner to their other progeny. Through some means (possibly some of the first extraplanar portals), Dahak made his way to the fields of Hell before even devils walked the surface. There's no direct connection between Dahak and Hell past that... except the fact that Asmodeus seems involved in the current tenancy agreement between the Endless Destruction and Mephistopheles.

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So does Dahak's presence predate that of the kytons?


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It always comes back to kytons...


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Rysky wrote:

Hello!

So coming over from ISF again, Thankies for the Dahak article, I really enjoyed it.

I'm actually really interested in playing a follower of him now, but was curious about how a non-dragon/non-Kobold might come to follow him and why, any suggestions?

I'll just jump in and mention the Blood of Dragons Bloodline Race Trait. It's a low-investment way to establish a connection between your character and the Dragons, and it's available to characters of any race. I especially like the low-light vision option for Humans, but almost any character can benefit from the option of +1 bonus to perception.

A non-dragon/non-Kobold character with this trait might want to explore her family's ancient Draconic heritage. Perhaps in her family's library she came across an ancient tome describing the tenets and practices of Dahak's worshipers. Maybe her own ancestors were members of that faith - introduced to it by the Dragon who sired them - and she wants to return her family's religion to that original form. This might involve some quests to regain possession of the Unholy religious implements that once belonged to her progenitors...

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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Rysky wrote:

So Dahak went back to Hell?

Which layer does he favor?

What does Asmodeus think about having him so close by?

How did Dahak originally wind up there and away from the rest of his family?

Correct, he did return to hell. His preferred locale is his own realm, located on the layer of Caina. There's more on his relationship with Mephistopheles in the text.

As for how he mound up there, Tiamat and Apsu left Dahak to fend for himself in a similar manner to their other progeny. Through some means (possibly some of the first extraplanar portals), Dahak made his way to the fields of Hell before even devils walked the surface. There's no direct connection between Dahak and Hell past that... except the fact that Asmodeus seems involved in the current tenancy agreement between the Endless Destruction and Mephistopheles.

Ah, thanks. What I get for speed reading >_<

I'm curious to how much "fending" his siblings had to do since it reads like Apsu threw him away while keeping his other children close.

Not related but this was interesting,

Relationships with other religions wrote:
"Calistria is said to bear at least one hidden scar from her attempts to court Dahak."

(ФwФ)

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Kalindlara wrote:
So does Dahak's presence predate that of the kytons?

ALWAYS Kytons. And that is left... unsaid. :)

If anything, that can be a mystery for Wes, when he eventually gets to writing Book of the Damned: Kyton Fun Times Edition™

Sufficed to say, Wes and I have had some discussions on Dahak. And you'll notice a solid connection between the Endless Destruction and Mephistopheles, particularly in the form of a gifted quill.

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Rysky wrote:
I'm curious to how much "fending" his siblings had to do since it reads like Apsu threw him away while keeping his other children close.

Creation myths need a level of vagueness to them, and this would be one of those items.

Now, were I running a home game... it'd be a safe bet to assume Dahak was no different, until he found some planar gateway to primordial Hell. Based on the previous post, I'd also find it quite interested if the 'original inhabitants' somehow shaped his ceaseless rage.

Rysky wrote:
Not related but this was interesting,
Relationships with other religions wrote:
"Calistria is said to bear at least one hidden scar from her attempts to court Dahak."
(ФwФ)

Eternal evil dragon deities play rough. :)

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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Rysky wrote:
I'm curious to how much "fending" his siblings had to do since it reads like Apsu threw him away while keeping his other children close.

Creation myths need a level of vagueness to them, and this would be one of those items.

Now, were I running a home game... it'd be a safe bet to assume Dahak was no different, until he found some planar gateway to primordial Hell. Based on the previous post, I'd also find it quite interested if the 'original inhabitants' somehow shaped his ceaseless rage.

Or if he shaped them. "Yeah, the Kytons used to be such nice, caring folk."

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Rysky wrote:
Not related but this was interesting,
Relationships with other religions wrote:
"Calistria is said to bear at least one hidden scar from her attempts to court Dahak."
(ФwФ)
Eternal evil dragon deities play rough. :)

I approve.


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Your last answers about the dragon gods gave us so much insights of possibilities in a dragon centered campaign! *---*

There is that misunderstanding about Apsu's true appearance. Is he a massive silver dragon or the majestic "nirvana dragon"? Could you help us solving this?

And also, The Inheritor, is she really in a good relationship with the Waybringer? ;)

What does Apsu thinks about his son's current whereabouts? Has he ever tried to enter Hell?

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The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Your last answers about the dragon gods gave us so much insights of possibilities in a dragon centered campaign! *---*

Thanks!

I'll reiterate my position that nothing in this thread is 'official' as I'm not a Paizo employee. I just get the honor of playing in their sandbox. But, if people can get some use from my additional ideas or thoughts, I'm all for helping out! :)

The Gold Sovereign wrote:
There is that misunderstanding about Apsu's true appearance. Is he a massive silver dragon or the majestic "nirvana dragon"? Could you help us solving this?

The answer exists in Apsu's article. Amanda and I have had a chuckle that no one in the thread has come out and said it yet... but the mystery of Apsu's appearance is described.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:
And also, The Inheritor, is she really in a good relationship with the Waybringer? ;)

Apsu and Iomedae certainly have an accord and mutual respect. Peace through Vigilance is a manifestation of this. I don't think it's as simple as 'gods making love', and Peace through Vigilance represents this. This divine servant isn't so much a 'child' of the two gods, as it is a physical manifestation of the mutual agreement between Apsu and Iomedae.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:
What does Apsu thinks about his son's current whereabouts? Has he ever tried to enter Hell?

Apsu is not the type of being to seek out combat. He knows Dahak seeks to kill him, as well as unleash greater destruction beyond that. He also knows that Dahak's hand was stayed in the face of Rovagug (insomuch as he didn't immediately betray Apsu), and that SOMETHING beyond Dahak's 'Endless Destruction' namesake might endure within.

Still, Apsu isn't quite keen on testing his theories out, nor does he actively seek out battle. The sealing of Rovagug ended up with Apsu basically saying that Golarion was under his protection. If Dahak came to the world with his destructive tendencies, then Apsu would stop him. This decree was half, forming a line-in-the-sand against his wayward son, and half ensuring that Dahak wouldn't inadvertently re-release Rovagug.

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I thought I had read the article and simply hadn't seen anything regarding his form, but apparently I just hadn't read the article >_<

One more victim for speed reading...

So, like mythology, he's a body of primordial fresh water that likes to occasionally appear as a Silver (NOT platinum) dragon, interesting.

Does give an awesome taunt for followers of his enemies to use :3

"I worship Apsu, The Waybringer!"
"You worship a puddle!"


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Now I can really grasp at the dragon gods' "father x wayward son" relationship. I imagined that Apsu would be more determined to put an end to The Endless Destruction once and for all, but now I'm guessing if there's a little piece of hope inside the Maker of All regarding the redemption of his child...

Thankies for the answers!

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The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Now I can really grasp at the dragon gods' "father x wayward son" relationship. I imagined that Apsu would be more determined to put an end to The Endless Destruction once and for all, but now I'm guessing if there's a little piece of hope inside the Maker of All regarding the redemption of his child...

Thankies for the answers!

Makes you wonder where Dahak got the alternate title of The Sorrowmaker.


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Rysky wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Now I can really grasp at the dragon gods' "father x wayward son" relationship. I imagined that Apsu would be more determined to put an end to The Endless Destruction once and for all, but now I'm guessing if there's a little piece of hope inside the Maker of All regarding the redemption of his child...

Thankies for the answers!

Makes you wonder where Dahak got the alternate title of The Sorrowmaker.

Indeed. Poor divine fresh puddle...

But probably not only for hurting his parents pride and love, as even the evil chromatic dragons fear and hate him. Almost all dragons - with his followers as an exception - feel remorse for his hunting tendencies.

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Rysky wrote:
Makes you wonder where Dahak got the alternate title of The Sorrowmaker.

I'd likely attribute 'Sorrowmaker' to Dahak forcing Tiamat to choose between her love and her child. Course, Tiamat is slowly phasing out of the backstory as more a 'myth' than a being/deity who will ever show up in the Golarion.

So, for now, the true meaning of the title remains a mystery!


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March 20th! That's the last post!

You people* make me sick!

So, I noticed you wrote part of Planes Of Power, what part is yours.

Here is a smurf, to do with as you will. :-)

*Not Thursty, his dozen fans.

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captain yesterday wrote:

March 20th! That's the last post!

You people* make me sick!

So, I noticed you wrote part of Planes Of Power, what part is yours.

Here is a [REDACTED], to do with as you will. :-)

*Not Thursty, his dozen fans.

WOW! The timing... I normally check this thread once every few weeks to see if there's life... but this time, I saw the post on the 'recent updates' sidebar. :D

As for Planes of Power, I wrote the section detailing the Plane of Earth, as well at the Agrawgh and Ozimat in the Bestiary section.

I've been interested in the elemental planes for some time. In fact, the Plane of Earth, the [i]Moaning Diamond[/], and Sairazul are big story elements to a Tian Xia campaign that I'm running in the Lung Wa era. Prior to that, I ran a Land of the Linnorms viking campaign that went temporarily, but dramatically so, off the rails when the PCs accidentally found themselves in the Plane of Earth for several sessions. So... that's probably where my initial love for the plane came from.

Overall, I'm quite pleased with how the final copy ended up; Amanda did a fantastic job developing this book. In fact, I remember during the process, she messaged me to say "Dude, this ozimat thing is MESSED UP." Which is always a fantastic thing to hear from your developer.

Thanks for the question!

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Also... SMURF.


Smurf you say!


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What peppy annoyingly upbeat tourist trap town did you use as inspiration for Kantaria. :-)


STEVE HOLT????


STEVE HOLT!!!


IN SPACE!!!


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See! This is why we can't have nice things, Barry! You a#+#&+&!

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captain yesterday wrote:
What peppy annoyingly upbeat tourist trap town did you use as inspiration for Kantaria. :-)

Oh man, I think it was an assembly of every mundane RPG village I've ever adventured in. Seriously, you can HEAR the muted cheery video game music while walking down the streets...

There're some complaints that Kantaria is 'too mundane' and I would agree, but it's entirely intentional within the confines of the adventure. The shock value of Wrath of Thrune is that the PCs are being evil jerks and systematically tearing a town apart. They're NOT adventuring in some crazy over the top locale, but working to disassemble the tourist trap township. Further complicating the adventure with a whole bunch of "Oh, this town has a floating tower and half the people are ratfolk and the other half are aasimar" detracted from the core concept of what Kantaria needed to be.

Iomedae's defense of the town, in my mind, also hinges on Kantaria's seemingly unimportant nature. It emphasizes Iomedae's good alignment, as she essentially stopped in 'bumblefoot nowhere' for a full year to protect the town. The mystery on why the veiled masters had any interest in Kantaria is a lingering plot thread, one that I've concocted my own head-canon for and may one day sneak into something I write! :)

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Len Trexeler, CEO of Odin wrote:
See! This is why we can't have nice things, Barry! You a%++%@+!

Immediate thought: Yeah, Barry Allen sure does mess A LOT of things up. Oh wait, this isn't the Flash!? >.>


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Thurston Hillman wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
What peppy annoyingly upbeat tourist trap town did you use as inspiration for Kantaria. :-)

Oh man, I think it was an assembly of every mundane RPG village I've ever adventured in. Seriously, you can HEAR the muted cheery video game music while walking down the streets...

There're some complaints that Kantaria is 'too mundane' and I would agree, but it's entirely intentional within the confines of the adventure. The shock value of Wrath of Thrune is that the PCs are being evil jerks and systematically tearing a town apart. They're NOT adventuring in some crazy over the top locale, but working to disassemble the tourist trap township. Further complicating the adventure with a whole bunch of "Oh, this town has a floating tower and half the people are ratfolk and the other half are aasimar" detracted from the core concept of what Kantaria needed to be.

Iomedae's defense of the town, in my mind, also hinges on Kantaria's seemingly unimportant nature. It emphasizes Iomedae's good alignment, as she essentially stopped in 'bumblefoot nowhere' for a full year to protect the town. The mystery on why the veiled masters had any interest in Kantaria is a lingering plot thread, one that I've concocted my own head-canon for and may one day sneak into something I write! :)

Well I love it! It reminds me of the tourist trap town my wife grew up in. :-)

It will be fun for her to tear it down. :-)

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captain yesterday wrote:
It will be fun for her to tear it down. :-)

Hooray! Glad you enjoy it; sometimes destroying the simplest things brings the greatest joy.

Now, down with the filth that is the Glorious Reclamation! ;)

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Oh, Happy Holidays to anyone who pops in this thread!


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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Oh, Happy Holidays to anyone who pops in this thread!

Happy Holidays back to you, Thursty!

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Feros wrote:
Thurston Hillman wrote:
Oh, Happy Holidays to anyone who pops in this thread!
Happy Holidays back to you, Thursty!

Seconded!


Happy Belated Christmas and Merry Early New Year!

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Thanks all!

Looking like 2017 will have a good number of products with my grubby fingers involved. So, feel free to continue the questions train, I enjoy offering what insights I can. Also, questions tend to keep me excited about doing future projects, so know that you're helping my sanity. :D

Until then, it's time to enjoy more video games for the remaining holidays.

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I don't know what kind of questions to ask though :(


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How many woodchucks would you chuck, if you wanted to chuck woodchucks.

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captain yesterday wrote:
How many woodchucks would you chuck, if you wanted to chuck woodchucks.

Well, being a fairly rotund gentlemen, it would entirely depend on the weight of said woodchucks. Given the extra foot of snow we just got here in Winnipeg, my back would probably argue against more than three!


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Any word yet on Shax's House of Pain?

...and given your avatar, will maple syrup be involved?

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Feros wrote:

Any word yet on Shax's House of Pain?

...and given your avatar, will maple syrup be involved?

Oh, it's still around. I've been working towards running it at a convention for a few years now, and have even started the map. The document is also floating around, with several (completely unfair) encounters mapped out.

WIP MAP SPOILER

Spoiler:
If you're interested in the map, and a validation of SOME progress. You can spot it: HERE.

Note the gloriously designed 'circles within circles' room. Because we can't just have this scenario punish the players, now can we? :)

Sczarni

What is your favorite pie?

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Coraith wrote:
What is your favorite pie?

Honestly, not a huge pie fan. I'm very 'BLAND ENGLISH TASTES' in what I look for in baked goods. So, typically I'm more a fan of things like Banana Bread or Bran Muffins. I hate raisins though... probably some repressed memories of the California Raisins.

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Did you forget about meat pies? They are the best pies!

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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
Did you forget about meat pies? They are the best pies!

Ok, that's a fair counter point. Meat is delicious. :)

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I can't decide which big, epic Bioware series to play first on my new computer. Should I start with Mass Effect or Dragon Age?

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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
Did you forget about meat pies? They are the best pies!
Ok, that's a fair counter point. Meat is delicious. :)

Or quiche. It is just a Breakfast pie.

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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
I can't decide which big, epic Bioware series to play first on my new computer. Should I start with Mass Effect or Dragon Age?

Personally, I'd go with Mass Effect. It's a personal favorite, especially as someone with a huge love of sci-fi / space opera.

While I've played the original Dragon Age, I ended up stopping at the strange 'dream world' segment, as it really took me out of the game. Also, I watched my girlfriend play through Dragon Age 2, and have no intention on ever playing through that game myself. Might give DA:I a try, but I'm currently doing a run through of all the Shin Megami Tensei games first. Well, after I beat Final Fantasy: Boy Band edition.

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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Well, after I beat Final Fantasy: Boy Band edition.

Me too... I keep getting distracted by all the food >_<

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Rysky wrote:
Thurston Hillman wrote:
Well, after I beat Final Fantasy: Boy Band edition.
Me too... I keep getting distracted by all the food >_<

Apparently, there's 15 chapters in the game, and you should be 40th level by the end. I'm on chapter 8, and am 70th level. SO MUCH TO DO!!!! O_O

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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Thurston Hillman wrote:
Well, after I beat Final Fantasy: Boy Band edition.
Me too... I keep getting distracted by all the food >_<
Apparently, there's 15 chapters in the game, and you should be 40th level by the end. I'm on chapter 8, and am 70th level. SO MUCH TO DO!!!! O_O

*sigh*

Yeah...

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