Alien 5! err... 3?


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News!

I'm excited. The new concept art is good looking, and while I think Alien didn't age well, I think Aliens is one of the best science fiction movies of all times, so would definitely want to see another one.

I'm not extremely happy about Blomkamp as the director/writer though. District 9 was good but forgettable, and Elysium was downright boring. Plus, there are some pretty big shoes to fill in this franchise.

But, he seems like a true fan (truer than me, certainly) and I have faith his passion to the project will translate to the screen.


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I wish they did this years ago, in fact I wish aliens 3 never happened since it, for the most part, killed the franchise. In fact if they at least left Newt alive then we could have a new trilogy with a different main character.


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Some of the best news I ever heard in quite a while. (But I don't truly understand the article heading "ignore Aliens 3 and Resurrection", because everyone knows there's only 2 Aliens movies.) ;)

And I'm further excited about Blomkamp, as I consider both District 9 and Elysium to be among the best movies I've ever seen.

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I recently rewatched the entire franchise, in part because the theatre near the Indy Convention Center at last years GenCon played Aliens. And while 3 and 4 are NOT great films, they really aren't awful when taken on their own. 3 has the problem of killing Hicks and Newt and the whole head shaving made some characters hard to distinguish, but the end has a great emotional core. Resurrection gives us some really interesting characters and is a fun film, if you can accept the bizarreness of the Hybrid then its a movie I was able to really engage with. I loved the way it expanded the universe to include space pirates, I wanted to know more about them and that universe by the end.

So for me, bring on a new film, I can't wait.


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Arnwyn wrote:

Some of the best news I ever heard in quite a while. (But I don't truly understand the article heading "ignore Aliens 3 and Resurrection", because everyone knows there's only 2 Aliens movies.) ;)

Like there's only one Highlander movie? ;)

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Alien 3 completes the mythic cycle.

The Monster.
The Monster's Mother.
The Dragon.

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What mythic cycle?


Beowulf, apparently.

Even if it does complete the cycle, that doesn't mean it was a good movie. Or that it did it well.

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Krensky wrote:

Alien 3 completes the mythic cycle.

The Monster.
The Monster's Mother.
The Dragon.

Well, the new Alien movie could complete the cycle too, and probably do it better.

Quote:
Beowulf, apparently.

Ripley did always look like Ray Winston...


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Dragon78 wrote:
In fact if they at least left Newt alive then we could have a new trilogy with a different main character.

This!

Newt as the new (adult) protagonist backed-up by "uncle" Hicks would have been the perfect way to update the franchise without straying far from the previous Alien lore.


I actually rather like Alien 4, although I know I am in the minority. But then I also think that Aliens is vastly over-rated.

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It was pretty cool, but not really an alien movie. Brad Dourif and Ron Perlman were pretty damn awesome, just like that French dude in a wheelchair.


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This is a great day. The abomination known as Alien: Ressurection is about to be removed from the canon. However, I will never forget its existence....

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Laurefindel wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
In fact if they at least left Newt alive then we could have a new trilogy with a different main character.

This!

Newt as the new (adult) protagonist backed-up by "uncle" Hicks would have been the perfect way to update the franchise without straying far from the previous Alien lore.

Ever read the Dark Horse comics? This is exactly the way they went. They killed off Ripley instead of Hicks & Newt (although Ripley later turned out to be alive after all). And some of those stories were not only better than Alien 3 and Resurrection, they were better than Aliens as well.


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Enjoyed and had no issues with Alien3 and 4, but definitely was hoping for more of Aliens in Alien3 and sure did miss Hicks.

I'll be bummed if they don't get Biehn back to play Hicks. Wonder if makeup can get them back to looking the way they did, too. Seems really late in the game to be trying this.


I actually like 4 better 3 but still nether are nearly as good as the first two.

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"Actually, Blomkamp’s Alien movie won’t ignore Alien 3 and Resurrection"


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Gullyble Dwarf - Lvl 7 DM wrote:

Enjoyed and had no issues with Alien3 and 4, but definitely was hoping for more of Aliens in Alien3 and sure did miss Hicks.

I'll be bummed if they don't get Biehn back to play Hicks. Wonder if makeup can get them back to looking the way they did, too. Seems really late in the game to be trying this.

They don't use makeup for that. Did you see Tron: Legacy? That's how they de-age actors now, hideous cgi masking.

They'd look pretty alien alright.


Kthulhu wrote:
Ever read the Dark Horse comics? This is exactly the way they went. They killed off Ripley instead of Hicks & Newt (although Ripley later turned out to be alive after all). And some of those stories were not only better than Alien 3 and Resurrection, they were better than Aliens as well.

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Ok, you got me interested.

To the comic-book store!

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Scythia wrote:
Gullyble Dwarf - Lvl 7 DM wrote:

Enjoyed and had no issues with Alien3 and 4, but definitely was hoping for more of Aliens in Alien3 and sure did miss Hicks.

I'll be bummed if they don't get Biehn back to play Hicks. Wonder if makeup can get them back to looking the way they did, too. Seems really late in the game to be trying this.

They don't use makeup for that. Did you see Tron: Legacy? That's how they de-age actors now, hideous cgi masking.

They'd look pretty alien alright.

The de-ageing cgi has improved considerably since 2009. Very much so.


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Dragon78 wrote:
I actually like 4 better 3 but still nether are nearly as good as the first two.

How is this possible?


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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
"Actually, Blomkamp’s Alien movie won’t ignore Alien 3 and Resurrection"

Ugh.

I love District 9, so this better be a good movie. Otherwise...ugh.

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Hama wrote:
The de-ageing cgi has improved considerably since 2009. Very much so.

Not enough to actually look decent, however.

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Gullyble Dwarf - Lvl 7 DM wrote:


I'll be bummed if they don't get Biehn back to play Hicks.

They already have the perfect younger actor to play Hicks. Anton Yelton(spelling?). He plays Chekov in the new Trek films. He also played a younger Kyle Reese inTerminator Salvation. Same character Biehn played in the original Terminator. Yeltons voice and mannerisms was spot on for that character.

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Laurefindel wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ever read the Dark Horse comics? This is exactly the way they went. They killed off Ripley instead of Hicks & Newt (although Ripley later turned out to be alive after all). And some of those stories were not only better than Alien 3 and Resurrection, they were better than Aliens as well.

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Ok, you got me interested.

To the comic-book store!

A disclaimer, it's been about 15 years or more since I read a Dark Horse Aliens comic. I dunno if they're still any good, and I have no clue where they've gone with it story-wise.

Dark Archive

Most of the older Darkhorse stories about aliens were short story arcs, so if you can find them they are still good, with no worries about where the story may be now.
XD

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True, although at least some did follow Newt & Hicks, at least for a while.


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I liked Alien resurrection the characters were wonderful and while the film didn't seem very scary it did kind of remind me of how a player character group would act.


Aranna wrote:

I liked Alien resurrection the characters were wonderful and while the film didn't seem very scary it did kind of remind me of how a player character group would act.

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MUST we eternally be at odds?


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Laurefindel wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ever read the Dark Horse comics? This is exactly the way they went. They killed off Ripley instead of Hicks & Newt (although Ripley later turned out to be alive after all). And some of those stories were not only better than Alien 3 and Resurrection, they were better than Aliens as well.

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Ok, you got me interested.

To the comic-book store!

Look for the trade paperbacks. They should still be around. You'll be looking for Volume 1. The first 3 story arcs (Outbreak, Nightmare Asylum and The Female War) follow Newt and Hicks' further adventures. Note that for the Trade paperbacks the characters names were changed to Billie and Wilks (to keep everything consistent with the canon of Alien 3).

You could also go to a used bookstore and look for the Novels of (nearly) the same names (Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum and The Female War) by Steve Perry. They are not great works of fiction, but they are okay. They are essentially novelizations of the Dark Horse Comics stories.


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Aranna wrote:

I liked Alien resurrection the characters were wonderful and while the film didn't seem very scary it did kind of remind me of how a player character group would act.

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MUST we eternally be at odds?

Is my liking a film putting you at odds? I know it will never be a popular movie even in replays, but that doesn't take away it's charm.


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Aranna wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I liked Alien resurrection the characters were wonderful and while the film didn't seem very scary it did kind of remind me of how a player character group would act.

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MUST we eternally be at odds?
Is my liking a film putting you at odds?

Liking anything Freehold dislikes puts you at odds with him. Just see any discussion on the forums involving anything Whedon's done, Facebook, warm weather, post-SNES Final Fantasy games, or the plethora of other things he dislikes.


Itchy wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Ever read the Dark Horse comics? This is exactly the way they went. They killed off Ripley instead of Hicks & Newt (although Ripley later turned out to be alive after all). And some of those stories were not only better than Alien 3 and Resurrection, they were better than Aliens as well.

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Ok, you got me interested.

To the comic-book store!

Look for the trade paperbacks. They should still be around. You'll be looking for Volume 1. The first 3 story arcs (Outbreak, Nightmare Asylum and The Female War) follow Newt and Hicks' further adventures. Note that for the Trade paperbacks the characters names were changed to Billie and Wilks (to keep everything consistent with the canon of Alien 3).

You could also go to a used bookstore and look for the Novels of (nearly) the same names (Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum and The Female War) by Steve Perry. They are not great works of fiction, but they are okay. They are essentially novelizations of the Dark Horse Comics stories.

those novels blew my mind back in the day. Didn't care dor the reveal in the last comic, but they were faithful translations.


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Bizarro Freehold wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I liked Alien resurrection the characters were wonderful and while the film didn't seem very scary it did kind of remind me of how a player character group would act.

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MUST we eternally be at odds?
Is my liking a film putting you at odds?
Liking anything Freehold dislikes puts you at odds with him. Just see any discussion on the forums involving anything Whedon's done, Facebook, warm weather, post-SNES Final Fantasy games, or the plethora of other things he dislikes.

you speak craziness.

hugs ffxii

Shadow Lodge

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Freehold DM wrote:
Bizarro Freehold wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aranna wrote:

I liked Alien resurrection the characters were wonderful and while the film didn't seem very scary it did kind of remind me of how a player character group would act.

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.....
MUST we eternally be at odds?
Is my liking a film putting you at odds?
Liking anything Freehold dislikes puts you at odds with him. Just see any discussion on the forums involving anything Whedon's done, Facebook, warm weather, post-SNES Final Fantasy games, or the plethora of other things he dislikes.

you speak craziness.

hugs ffxii

Exception that proves the rule


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I liked Alien 3. THERE, I SAID IT.

(I thought it pretty neatly ended the series as we'd followed it. I hated the death of everyone, but it still felt like a fitting end.)

To be clear, I hated the beginning of the film; it was awful and depressing. Everything else was quite solid and made sense for the franchise and character.

I would, however, love it if they could somehow do a "not Alien: Resurrection revival thereof somehow or another" of Newt... maybe. (If they don't make it dumb.)

((Even Alien: Resurrection had good points, but... not really that many, comparatively.))


Liking Alien Resurrection was never going to be the popular thing but then I like what I like, I certainly can't help it. I won't even try to defend it either... it was what it was.

I didn't like Alien 3... the whole movie rubbed me wrong.

I also didn't much care for Alien. It was just too typical a horror film I guess. And predictable is never a good thing for horror.

Aliens on the other hand was a masterpiece of film making. Edge of my seat kind of stuff. This will always have a place in my collection.


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just a classic film. And so freaking quotable.

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This makes me happy.


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Alien Resurrection was actually quite popular in my circle of friends, probably because it felt so much like a RPG party of player characters. Where Aliens felt like a troop of Imperial Guards from the Warhammer 40 000 setting, Alien Resurrection was Space Hulk meets Necromunda (this movie actually inspired a Necromunda RPG campaign now that I'm thinking of it. fun times!)

The feel of Alien Resurrection was different for sure, but so was Alien 3 compared to Aliens, which itself had a different feel from Alien, so it didn't bother us much.

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Aranna wrote:

Liking Alien Resurrection was never going to be the popular thing but then I like what I like, I certainly can't help it. I won't even try to defend it either... it was what it was.

I didn't like Alien 3... the whole movie rubbed me wrong.

I also didn't much care for Alien. It was just too typical a horror film I guess. And predictable is never a good thing for horror.

Aliens on the other hand was a masterpiece of film making. Edge of my seat kind of stuff. This will always have a place in my collection.

You do realise that saying Alien was predictable is a little like complaining that Much Ado About Nothing is a run of the mill romantic comedy, right?


Aranna wrote:

Liking Alien Resurrection was never going to be the popular thing but then I like what I like, I certainly can't help it. I won't even try to defend it either... it was what it was.

I didn't like Alien 3... the whole movie rubbed me wrong.

I also didn't much care for Alien. It was just too typical a horror film I guess. And predictable is never a good thing for horror.

Aliens on the other hand was a masterpiece of film making. Edge of my seat kind of stuff. This will always have a place in my collection.

As a fan of the Horror genre, I find Alien to be the best film of the genre. It may seem predictable now, but really it invented a lot of the horror tropes we see commonly in genre films, especially the "haunted house in space" trope, as well as reinventing horror aesthetics and monster design.

I tend to think Aliens is not only over-rated but would have probably worked better as a unrelated movie. It was "lets make a vietnam war movie in space!". I don't think its a bad movie, but well...as I said over-rated.

I haven't seen Aliens 3 in a long time, but I think it was an attempt to get back to its horror. Unfortunately that meant (or the director thought so at any rate) jettisoning most of the story elements of the second movie. the tonal shift hurt the movie badly. (Again, would have worked better as an entirely different movie without Ripley).

I mean really...the Alien movies are the most obvious examples of the problems of different directors and writers, with completely different styles and story interests, doing different installments of the same series.


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*munch!*
well hello there post monster, have seen you in a while!

MMCJawa wrote:

As a fan of the Horror genre, I find Alien to be the best film of the genre. It may seem predictable now, but really it invented a lot of the horror tropes we see commonly in genre films, especially the "haunted house in space" trope, as well as reinventing horror aesthetics and monster design.

I tend to think Aliens is not only over-rated but would have probably worked better as a unrelated movie. It was "lets make a vietnam war movie in space!". I don't think its a bad movie, but well...as I said over-rated.

Agree on the first part, but I truly believe that Aliens was just as influential for the sci-fi thriller genre as Alien was to space horror. So many tropes take their origin in Aliens, and I'd say its one of the success of the Halo series (replace Ripley with Masterchief and you have the UNSC, down to ship aesthetics and Apone/Johnson sergeant).

I give as much credits to Aliens as I do to Alien - and by that I mean that I consider both movies as masterworks of their own (sub)genre.


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MMCJawa wrote:
Aranna wrote:

Liking Alien Resurrection was never going to be the popular thing but then I like what I like, I certainly can't help it. I won't even try to defend it either... it was what it was.

I didn't like Alien 3... the whole movie rubbed me wrong.

I also didn't much care for Alien. It was just too typical a horror film I guess. And predictable is never a good thing for horror.

Aliens on the other hand was a masterpiece of film making. Edge of my seat kind of stuff. This will always have a place in my collection.

As a fan of the Horror genre, I find Alien to be the best film of the genre. It may seem predictable now, but really it invented a lot of the horror tropes we see commonly in genre films, especially the "haunted house in space" trope, as well as reinventing horror aesthetics and monster design.

I tend to think Aliens is not only over-rated but would have probably worked better as a unrelated movie. It was "lets make a vietnam war movie in space!". I don't think its a bad movie, but well...as I said over-rated.

I haven't seen Aliens 3 in a long time, but I think it was an attempt to get back to its horror. Unfortunately that meant (or the director thought so at any rate) jettisoning most of the story elements of the second movie. the tonal shift hurt the movie badly. (Again, would have worked better as an entirely different movie without Ripley).

I mean really...the Alien movies are the most obvious examples of the problems of different directors and writers, with completely different styles and story interests, doing different installments of the same series.

That could be it. I wasn't really able to watch movies till like 1991... So by then Alien was really old. I actually saw Aliens first then Alien and Alien 3 when Alien 3 was released, and Resurrection when it came out. So that probably colored my opinion a lot.


Interesting, aranna.

I watched aliens a bazillion times on network television before I ever saw alien- also on network. I didn't see alien 3 until I got cable.


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I hated Alien 3. One of the worst movies ever.

I actually like parts of Alien Ressurection...however...worst part was that it's premise was based on what happened with Alien 3.

If Alien Ressurection is deleted because they kill Alien 3 in canon...that's absolutely fine with me.

Heck, even Alien vs. Predator is better than Alien 3.


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Am I the only one that reads the thread title in Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail?

OP1: "Alien 5!"
OP2: "err, 3, sir!"
OP1: "err... 3?"
*toss; kersplosion*

... yeah, I need to get out more.

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We were trying to not encourage him.

Way to go.


Look, I said I needed to get out more...

>.>

<.<

... my life as a stay-at-home is lonely...


I liked Ressurection till Grima Wormtongue was superglued to wall narrating a process he could have no earthly clue about. Ruined the whole movie.

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