paizo.com Recent Posts in Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity Pollpaizo.com Recent Posts in Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity Poll2015-02-22T21:06:06Z2015-02-22T21:06:06ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollRogar Stonebowhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#932018-02-05T19:16:14Z2018-02-05T19:16:14Z<p>Good news all, I have decided to start a new poll. I'll call it The Penultimate Essential Never to be Outdone (until the next one) Martial-Caster Disparity Poll/discourse!</p>Good news all, I have decided to start a new poll. I'll call it The Penultimate Essential Never to be Outdone (until the next one) Martial-Caster Disparity Poll/discourse!Rogar Stonebow2018-02-05T19:16:14ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollOmniushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#922018-02-05T14:49:50Z2018-02-05T14:49:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jurassic Pratt wrote:</div><blockquote> And here I was thinking this was a poll over a new Paizo book in the Ultimate series ;) </blockquote><p>Don't be silly. That's every Paizo book in the Ultimate series. :PJurassic Pratt wrote:And here I was thinking this was a poll over a new Paizo book in the Ultimate series ;)
Don't be silly. That's every Paizo book in the Ultimate series. :POmnius2018-02-05T14:49:50ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollJurassic Pratthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#912018-02-05T10:19:07Z2018-02-05T10:18:09Z<p>And here I was thinking this was a poll over a new Paizo book in the Ultimate series ;)</p>And here I was thinking this was a poll over a new Paizo book in the Ultimate series ;)Jurassic Pratt2018-02-05T10:18:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMatthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#902018-02-05T09:40:05Z2018-02-05T09:39:44Z<p>I'm quite impressed by the relative majority of option 19 over option 20.</p>
<p>If that's remotely representative, most forum users experience disparity, but either they work around it or it doesn't bother them in the first place.</p>I'm quite impressed by the relative majority of option 19 over option 20.
If that's remotely representative, most forum users experience disparity, but either they work around it or it doesn't bother them in the first place.Matthew Downie2018-02-05T09:39:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollBoomerang Nebulahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#892018-02-05T07:35:56Z2018-02-05T07:35:56Z<p>Voted for 5 and 7. </p>
<p>The discrepancy only becomes obvious at high levels because we tend to work as a team.</p>Voted for 5 and 7.
The discrepancy only becomes obvious at high levels because we tend to work as a team.Boomerang Nebula2018-02-05T07:35:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollOmniushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#882018-02-05T05:57:18Z2018-02-05T05:57:18Z<p>For purposes of discussion, 'muggle' will suffice.</p>For purposes of discussion, 'muggle' will suffice.Omnius2018-02-05T05:57:18ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollGoth Guruhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#872018-02-05T05:23:27Z2018-02-05T05:23:27Z<p>Muggles are generally unaware of magic. There was some other term for those both aware and incapable of magic.</p>
<p>A Squib is a non magical person born to a family of magic users.</p>Muggles are generally unaware of magic. There was some other term for those both aware and incapable of magic.
A Squib is a non magical person born to a family of magic users.Goth Guru2018-02-05T05:23:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollOmniushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#862018-02-02T14:15:00Z2018-02-02T14:15:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Goth Guru wrote:</div><blockquote> Just because you deny the gray area, doesn't mean it isn't there. Paladins and rangers start out with no magic spells at all. </blockquote><p>Muggles level 3 and under generally aren't considered an issue.Goth Guru wrote:Just because you deny the gray area, doesn't mean it isn't there. Paladins and rangers start out with no magic spells at all.
Muggles level 3 and under generally aren't considered an issue.Omnius2018-02-02T14:15:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollTrinamhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#852018-02-17T00:27:23Z2018-02-02T12:51:41Z<p>That's an incredibly highbrow sentiment, considering we're talking about mushing together barbies on the internet based on die rolls and stat blocks.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this one opt-in poll within a vacuum on a site with an unknown starting bias with regards to respondents who <i>also</i> have an unknown opt-in bias based upon their own personal positions and how strongly they feel about them is <i>highly unlikely</i> to provide any real, relevant, or useful data... particularly given that at this point there are over 20 options, many of which are spread out over two pages and endless diatribe and thus will have an inherently lower response count than the ones with prime spots on the front page.</p>
<p>At best, you've created an anecdote. At worst, some idiot is going to try pointing to this as 'proof' of anything when it's really more of the evidence equivalent of a Picasso painting. Fun to look at, but not really a good picture of anything at all.</p>That's an incredibly highbrow sentiment, considering we're talking about mushing together barbies on the internet based on die rolls and stat blocks.
Unfortunately, this one opt-in poll within a vacuum on a site with an unknown starting bias with regards to respondents who also have an unknown opt-in bias based upon their own personal positions and how strongly they feel about them is highly unlikely to provide any real, relevant, or useful data... particularly given that at this point there...Trinam2018-02-02T12:51:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMatthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#842018-02-02T14:41:16Z2018-02-02T12:37:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Perfect Tommy wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I thought my basis for making a flat earth comment was fairly clear.
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You can get thousands of people to post positions that the earth is flat.
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The fact that they will do so means simply that there are a lot of people that hold an opinion; that is at variance with the facts; and are willing to so post. </blockquote><p>You could also get millions of people to post positions that the earth is not flat. If you're not on a flat-earthers forum, the majority would say the earth is round.
<p>This is not a forum for class-balance deniers or whatever, so it's as representative sample as you can reasonably hope for.</p>
<p>If two-thirds of those who care to venture an opinion on the subject say they have a problem, that's evidence in favor of the problem existing.</p>
<p>If two-thirds of the population say that they, personally, have peeked over the edge of the earth and seen the legs of the great turtle below, that is evidence in favor of the turtle existing. You'd need very strong evidence to plausibly dispute this; extreme selection bias, satellite images, that kind of thing. </p>
<p>You can question whether this is an accurate representation of the scale of the problem. Maybe there's a variance of 10% in either direction due to the small poll size. Maybe the problem is significantly exaggerated, since disparity mainly crops up when the casters have high system mastery, and high system mastery is correlated with people who post on these boards.</p>
<p>But I wouldn't deny that other people have a problem when they say they do. "I have not been a victim of any serious crime lately; therefore serious crime does not exist."</p>Perfect Tommy wrote:I thought my basis for making a flat earth comment was fairly clear.
You can get thousands of people to post positions that the earth is flat.
The fact that they will do so means simply that there are a lot of people that hold an opinion; that is at variance with the facts; and are willing to so post.
You could also get millions of people to post positions that the earth is not flat. If you're not on a flat-earthers forum, the majority would say the earth is round. This...Matthew Downie2018-02-02T12:37:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollGoth Guruhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#832018-02-02T11:55:43Z2018-02-02T11:55:13Z<p>Just because you deny the gray area, doesn't mean it isn't there. Paladins and rangers start out with no magic spells at all.</p>Just because you deny the gray area, doesn't mean it isn't there. Paladins and rangers start out with no magic spells at all.Goth Guru2018-02-02T11:55:13ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollOmniushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#822018-01-29T21:56:59Z2018-01-29T21:56:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Perfect Tommy wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Where?</p>
<p>Where exactly are Fighters and Wizards promoted as equally viable adventurers. Because I've searched the literature and I don't see it.
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Here is a quote from the forward:</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</p>
<p>My! Not a word about equally viable, or balanced, or fair.
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Now mind you, I happen to think they •are• equally viable. They all provide you an equally viable mechanism •to have fun•.</p>
<p>I thought my basis for making a flat earth comment was fairly clear.
<br />
You can get thousands of people to post positions that the earth is flat.
<br />
The fact that they will do so means simply that there are a lot of people that hold an opinion; that is at variance with the facts; and are willing to so post.</p>
<p>And the fact that they are willing to post means absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>The style of argument is called reducing to the absurd. Mathew claimed that the fact that a dozen and a half people posted pointed to the severity of the problem; I reduced this to the absurd by making an analogy. Thousands of people claim the earth is flat. That doesn't mean it is.</p>
<p>So yes, on the one hand I am comparing this comment to flat earthers. And, no, I am not commenting on posters (or even their position),at all. And I dislike your insinuation.</blockquote><p>Look at that excerpt you quoted! That seems like a portrayal where all of those mentioned are supposed to be equally viable!
<p>The position you're taking is really coming across as one where logic is turning against your position, so you're trying to discredit any foundation for discussion at all.</p>
<p>But if you want a specific and explicit answer, it's fundamentally baked into the level, effective party level, and CR systems.</p>Perfect Tommy wrote:Where?
Where exactly are Fighters and Wizards promoted as equally viable adventurers. Because I've searched the literature and I don't see it.
Here is a quote from the forward:
** spoiler omitted **
My! Not a word about equally viable, or balanced, or fair.
Now mind you, I happen to think they *are* equally viable. They all provide you an equally viable mechanism *to have fun*.
I thought my basis for making a flat earth comment was fairly clear.
You can get thousands...Omnius2018-01-29T21:56:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity Pollgraystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#812018-03-10T22:25:19Z2018-01-29T21:40:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Perfect Tommy wrote:</div><blockquote>Where?</blockquote><p>The CR system says that they are. a 20th level wizard has the same CR as a 20th level fighter. Both give the same amount of experience.Perfect Tommy wrote:Where?
The CR system says that they are. a 20th level wizard has the same CR as a 20th level fighter. Both give the same amount of experience.graystone2018-01-29T21:40:45ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollAthaleonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#802018-02-06T05:57:01Z2018-01-29T21:35:24Z<p>For character levels to mean anything they have to imply that characters of equal level are roughly equal in power. Otherwise there's no point to having them, and characters might as well just buy advances with XP directly.</p>
<p>And "I had fun therefore the thing is fine" is exactly what went wrong with PF's playtesting in the first place.</p>For character levels to mean anything they have to imply that characters of equal level are roughly equal in power. Otherwise there's no point to having them, and characters might as well just buy advances with XP directly.
And "I had fun therefore the thing is fine" is exactly what went wrong with PF's playtesting in the first place.Athaleon2018-01-29T21:35:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollPerfect Tommy (alias of cp)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#792018-02-17T00:25:18Z2018-01-29T20:41:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Omnius wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Perfect Tommy wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Fallacy of self selection bias; small sample size; and about half a dozen other problems. </p>
<p>The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.
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If you play the monster that ate sheboygan - there's a huge disparity between the monster and the human players. </p>
<p>If you play axis and allies - the allies almost always win. In neither case is it a problem. </p>
<p>Just because a dozen people (out of hundreds of thousands) make a comment - doesn't mean.. A THING. You can get thousands of people to agree the world is flat. </p>
<p>What does it mean? Not a damn thing. </blockquote><p>1) Are you comparing people who put forward that the caster/martial disparity is a problem to flat earthers?
<p>2) If the stated goal is historical recreation, Allies beating Axis most of the time is not a problem. However, if Axis and Allies are both put forward as equally viable factions and Allies consistently wins, that is, objectively, a problem with the game's design. And in Pathfinder, Fighter and Wizard are presented as equally viable adventurers. </blockquote><p>Where?
<p>Where exactly are Fighters and Wizards promoted as equally viable adventurers. Because I've searched the literature and I don't see it.
<br />
Here is a quote from the forward:</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>My! Not a word about equally viable, or balanced, or fair.
<br />
Now mind you, I happen to think they •are• equally viable. They all provide you an equally viable mechanism •to have fun•. </p>
<p>I thought my basis for making a flat earth comment was fairly clear.
<br />
You can get thousands of people to post positions that the earth is flat.
<br />
The fact that they will do so means simply that there are a lot of people that hold an opinion; that is at variance with the facts; and are willing to so post. </p>
<p>And the fact that they are willing to post means absolutely nothing. </p>
<p>The style of argument is called reducing to the absurd. Mathew claimed that the fact that a dozen and a half people posted pointed to the severity of the problem; I reduced this to the absurd by making an analogy. Thousands of people claim the earth is flat. That doesn't mean it is. </p>
<p>So yes, on the one hand I am comparing this comment to flat earthers. And, no, I am not commenting on posters (or even their position),at all. And I dislike your insinuation.</p>Omnius wrote:Perfect Tommy wrote:Fallacy of self selection bias; small sample size; and about half a dozen other problems.
The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.
If you play the monster that ate sheboygan - there's a huge disparity between the monster and the human players.
If you play axis and allies - the allies almost always win. In neither case is it a problem.
Just because a dozen people (out of hundreds of thousands) make a comment - doesn't mean.. A THING....Perfect Tommy (alias of cp)2018-01-29T20:41:50ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMatthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#782018-02-06T05:56:23Z2018-01-29T08:22:22Z<p>(20) Disparity is a problem that negatively impacts my games.</p>(20) Disparity is a problem that negatively impacts my games.Matthew Downie2018-01-29T08:22:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMatthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#772018-02-05T23:27:11Z2018-01-29T07:53:11Z<p>(19) The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.</p>(19) The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.Matthew Downie2018-01-29T07:53:11ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#762018-01-29T07:06:26Z2018-01-29T07:06:26Z<p>I mean, most of the games I'm in have parties consisting of:
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- one 9-level caster
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- one meaty person, likely full BAB, potentially non-magical.
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- a potentially unlimited number of 3/4 BAB, 6-level casters.</p>
<p>When your parties are like "Inquisitor, Occultist, Barbarian, and Oracle", or "Vigilante, Druid, Mesmerist, Magus", or "Bloodrager, Alchemist, Shaman, Investigator" or "Paladin, Spiritualist, Witch, and Bard" (all actual parties I've been in) it's hard for disparity to actually show up.</p>I mean, most of the games I'm in have parties consisting of:
- one 9-level caster
- one meaty person, likely full BAB, potentially non-magical.
- a potentially unlimited number of 3/4 BAB, 6-level casters.
When your parties are like "Inquisitor, Occultist, Barbarian, and Oracle", or "Vigilante, Druid, Mesmerist, Magus", or "Bloodrager, Alchemist, Shaman, Investigator" or "Paladin, Spiritualist, Witch, and Bard" (all actual parties I've been in) it's hard for disparity to actually show up.PossibleCabbage2018-01-29T07:06:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollVidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#752018-01-29T05:22:56Z2018-01-29T05:22:56Z<p>There are some similarities. </p>
<p>It just depends on how far along the spectrum you get. The ones that say fighters are completly useless even in combat and wizards always solo all encounters on the first turn I could put them with the flat-earthers. </p>
<p>I suppose to alternative would be people that say wizards are useless and fighters can solo everything (maybe in some games). Those people would also fit. </p>
<p>•Generally the answer isn't an extreme but lies somewhere in the middle. </p>
<p>•Except for the flat-earth thing. that is just dumb.</p>There are some similarities.
It just depends on how far along the spectrum you get. The ones that say fighters are completly useless even in combat and wizards always solo all encounters on the first turn I could put them with the flat-earthers.
I suppose to alternative would be people that say wizards are useless and fighters can solo everything (maybe in some games). Those people would also fit.
*Generally the answer isn't an extreme but lies somewhere in the middle.
*Except for the...Vidmaster72018-01-29T05:22:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollOmniushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#742018-01-29T18:34:37Z2018-01-29T05:18:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Perfect Tommy wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Fallacy of self selection bias; small sample size; and about half a dozen other problems. </p>
<p>The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.
<br />
If you play the monster that ate sheboygan - there's a huge disparity between the monster and the human players. </p>
<p>If you play axis and allies - the allies almost always win. In neither case is it a problem. </p>
<p>Just because a dozen people (out of hundreds of thousands) make a comment - doesn't mean.. A THING. You can get thousands of people to agree the world is flat. </p>
<p>What does it mean? Not a damn thing. </blockquote><p>1) Are you comparing people who put forward that the caster/martial disparity is a problem to flat earthers?
<p>2) If the stated goal is historical recreation, Allies beating Axis most of the time is not a problem. However, if Axis and Allies are both put forward as equally viable factions and Allies consistently wins, that is, objectively, a problem with the game's design. And in Pathfinder, Fighter and Wizard are presented as equally viable adventurers.</p>Perfect Tommy wrote:Fallacy of self selection bias; small sample size; and about half a dozen other problems.
The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.
If you play the monster that ate sheboygan - there's a huge disparity between the monster and the human players.
If you play axis and allies - the allies almost always win. In neither case is it a problem.
Just because a dozen people (out of hundreds of thousands) make a comment - doesn't mean.. A THING. You can get...Omnius2018-01-29T05:18:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollPerfect Tommy (alias of cp)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#732018-01-29T07:30:43Z2018-01-29T05:11:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Matthew Downie wrote:</div><blockquote> But it's clearly a bigger problem than the people who say things like "disparity is a myth perpetuated by wizard-haters" believe. </blockquote><p>Fallacy of self selection bias; small sample size; and about half a dozen other problems.
<p>The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.
<br />
If you play the monster that ate sheboygan - there's a huge disparity between the monster and the human players. </p>
<p>If you play axis and allies - the allies almost always win. In neither case is it a problem. </p>
<p>Just because a dozen people (out of hundreds of thousands) make a comment - doesn't mean.. A THING. You can get thousands of people to agree the world is flat. </p>
<p>What does it mean? Not a damn thing.</p>Matthew Downie wrote:But it's clearly a bigger problem than the people who say things like "disparity is a myth perpetuated by wizard-haters" believe.
Fallacy of self selection bias; small sample size; and about half a dozen other problems. The fact that a disparity exists doesn't mean there's a problem.
If you play the monster that ate sheboygan - there's a huge disparity between the monster and the human players.
If you play axis and allies - the allies almost always win. In neither case...Perfect Tommy (alias of cp)2018-01-29T05:11:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMoonclangerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#722018-01-28T12:07:41Z2018-01-28T12:07:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Sword wrote:</div><blockquote><p> What suprises me about this thread is just how many people think that casters and martial are balanced. That is a substantial proportion of votes. Particularly considering house rules and long encounter days weren’t very popular.</p>
<p>Clearly it isn’t as big a problem across the board as some would believe. </blockquote><p>I'm one of the people who put a plus against #2. "I find actual gameplay to be well balanced between martials and casters."
<p>This doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge the existence of caster/martial disparity. I experienced it in AD&D and to some extent in 3rd ed. I just haven't experienced it in PF. While the rules are better balanced than in previous editions of the game, I'm sure much of it has to do with the way my group plays. </p>
<p>I think play-style has a real impact of this issue, which is why there are so many different views on the subject.</p>The Sword wrote:What suprises me about this thread is just how many people think that casters and martial are balanced. That is a substantial proportion of votes. Particularly considering house rules and long encounter days weren’t very popular.
Clearly it isn’t as big a problem across the board as some would believe.
I'm one of the people who put a plus against #2. "I find actual gameplay to be well balanced between martials and casters." This doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge the...Moonclanger2018-01-28T12:07:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMatthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#712018-01-29T23:17:14Z2018-01-28T08:39:15Z<p>But it's clearly a bigger problem than the people who say things like "disparity is a myth perpetuated by wizard-haters" believe.</p>But it's clearly a bigger problem than the people who say things like "disparity is a myth perpetuated by wizard-haters" believe.Matthew Downie2018-01-28T08:39:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollThe Swordhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#702018-01-29T22:29:51Z2018-01-28T08:33:07Z<p>What suprises me about this thread is just how many people think that casters and martial are balanced. That is a substantial proportion of votes. Particularly considering house rules and long encounter days weren’t very popular.</p>
<p>Clearly it isn’t as big a problem across the board as some would believe.</p>What suprises me about this thread is just how many people think that casters and martial are balanced. That is a substantial proportion of votes. Particularly considering house rules and long encounter days weren’t very popular.
Clearly it isn’t as big a problem across the board as some would believe.The Sword2018-01-28T08:33:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Ultimate Caster-Martial Disparity PollMatthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s0dc&page=2?Ultimate-CasterMartial-Disparity-Poll#692018-01-29T22:29:35Z2018-01-28T08:25:12Z<p>(18) Martials dominate most low level PFS games. It's OK if casters win a few too.</p>(18) Martials dominate most low level PFS games. It's OK if casters win a few too.Matthew Downie2018-01-28T08:25:12Z