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So my DM and I got into a debate recently about how the Pathfinder community is very focused on optimization. While he did not seem to believe it at all, and I know that there is a large group of people here who do not care for optimization, but I do want to show him that there is a very large sect of the community dedicated to optimization.
So, I want the community to help me build the most overpowered 3rd level character possible.
While I realize that for a demonstration 3rd level is a bit odd the stipulation was that the community could even make a 3rd level character extremely OP.
Only rules are no gunslingers or third party material no Mythic and a 20 point buy
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Level 3 Ragebred Vivisectionist Alchemist
Magic Talent Trait, One Free Trait
16 (20), 12, 14, 16 (14), 10, 5
Feats:
Extra Feature
Multiattack
BAB+2
Attacks w/ Mutagen: +7 Claw (1d6+5), +7 Claw (1d6+5), +7 Bite (1d8+5), +5 Hoof (1d4+2), +5 Hoof (1d4+2), +7 Gore (1d6+5)
Sneak Attack 2d6
Level 5 you take Arcane Strike which you get from having the Magic Talent Trait which will give all of these attacks +1 damage. I haven't listed out the whole character but the idea is to Mutagen up and shred people. Normally you get 6 attacks on a full attack and if you are flanking or they are flat-footed you get 2d6 on each attack.
Total Damage: 3d6, 2d4, and 1d8 +24 with 12d6 of possible precision damage on a full attack. Minimum is 30 damage :\
Ragebred Vivesectionists are better than Synthasists at low levels for breaking things. Mine isn't even min-maxed, just something I threw together quickly. Flesh out this guy's character and give him items and watch the death arrive.
Thank you sir.
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Start with a human Druid, Nature Fang Archetype... declare that the character is a child (young template). Gain studied target ability... Start maxing out Stealth.
Racial trait replacement-eye for talent. The druids animal companion has an extra +2 to a stat of your choice.
Advance to level 3 (or in this case four, because the template subtracts a level)-archetype replaces wild shape with a Slayer talent of your choice. Gain sneak attack.
There was a feat somewhere that adds +1 level when calculating animal companion levels...
This little Druid is then eaten by a Bodythief plant, getting turned into a Pod Spawn. Loses spells... and counts as two levels lower.
Advance character 300 years (arbitrary number) gain +3 to mental stats due to aging, but physicals are unaffected because your a plant.
Is also immune to mind affecting stuff, poison etc (because... plant)
You now have something that looks like a child, has an animal companion equivalent to a level seven druids companion... As one of your feats along the way, take Spirits Gift, you can grant that animal companion fast heal 1.
There is a feat that can grant your animal companion an evolution point (summoner/eidolon stuff)... use it to bump it's bite damage from 1d6 to 1d8...
Not an exact build, but basically you have a level 7 animal companion wolf with fast heal 1, and a sneaky, stabby backup for the wolf. Stats on the main character are mediocre, but the wolf is scary as hell. Also note, you can wear and use metal as much as you like now, as you already lost all the spells and SU abilities by being turned into pod spawn.
This would require a DM to allow you two templates, but the rest is mechanically sound.
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This isn't the most powerful but it is defiantly good at killing hordes and swarms. Can still kill single targets as well.
Human Crossblooded Sorcerer 3
Bloodlines: Orc/Draconic Gold
str: 7, dex: 16, con: 12, Int: 7, Wis: 9, Cha: 20
Traits: Reactionary- +2 Initiative
+1 Will Saves or +concentration
Feats:
Human: Spell Specialization- Burning Hands
1 HD: Spell Focus- Evocation
3 HD: Varisian Tattoo- Evocation
Skills:
Perception 3
SLA: Dancing Lights 3/day, Touch of Rage 8/day
Spells Known:
1-Mage Armor- Bloodline Spell
Burning Hands
________ Free Spell Choice
0- Detect Magic
Ray of Frost
Haunted Fey Aspect
Daze
Not recommended for play outside of rolling up strong level 3 with no future. Will saves are cruddy. But the 5d4+10 in a 15 foot cone is freaking amazing damage.
Protection wise you have Mage armor for a +4 AC and Haunted fey aspect for DR/1 cold iron.
There is also a Gnome Color Spray variant for Heaven oracles that allow for insanely high DC knock outs into Coup de grace.
The only issue I see with the Ragebred Vivisectionist is the following. Even with Extra Feature, you don't have access to the base bestial features of the Skinwalker, but just the ones for the Ragebred, which would be only 3 attacks at 1d6/1d4/1d4 plus precision damage. And now that I look at it again, you may not need multiattack because the skinwalker feature doesn't call out what natural attacks are primary or secondary. So you could be doing 1d6/1d4/1d4 +5 as they are all primary attacks, plus 2d6 sneak attack damage for 2d4+10/1d6+5/6d6. Still 23 points minimum at 3rd level, or 65 points max is pretty boss in comparison to scorching ray at 4d6+1 for a 3rd level wizard evocation specialist. There is also the ever popular half-orc barbarian or bloodrager using power attack with a two-handed sword. Raging brings strength up to 24, 2d6+13 with power attack and the two-handed sword.
Hm... Heavens Oracle color spray enthusiast? Don't have the time to stat it up at the moment, but it's a pretty good option for low to mid levels.
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The only issue I see with the Ragebred Vivisectionist is the following. Even with Extra Feature, you don't have access to the base bestial features of the Skinwalker, but just the ones for the Ragebred, which would be only 3 attacks at 1d6/1d4/1d4 plus precision damage. And now that I look at it again, you may not need multiattack because the skinwalker feature doesn't call out what natural attacks are primary or secondary. So you could be doing 1d6/1d4/1d4 +5 as they are all primary attacks, plus 2d6 sneak attack damage for 2d4+10/1d6+5/6d6. Still 23 points minimum at 3rd level, or 65 points max is pretty boss in comparison to scorching ray at 4d6+1 for a 3rd level wizard evocation specialist. There is also the ever popular half-orc barbarian or bloodrager using power attack with a two-handed sword. Raging brings strength up to 24, 2d6+13 with power attack and the two-handed sword.
It doesn't have to call out which ones are primary and secondary because unless otherwise stated, hoof attacks are secondary and gore attacks are primary as stated in the monster rules.
Though it is worth pointing out that neither hooves nor gore use the hands so you can still wield a 2h weapon if you don't do something that also gives you claws. With multiattack that gives you a primary 2h attack plus three secondary attacks only at full bab - 2.
Overcoming the color spray exploit just requires blind creatures or stuff immune to mind affecting. Lots of those around. Now add in some web and grease, and then color spray the sticky greasy webbed foes, and it becomes easy street real quick, especially since Pathfinder web allows missile fire to work.
Im on my phone so I can't link it but if you click my name and search for witch I made a level 3 (witch doctor, barbarian, something else...) with a 23 dc sleep hex, massive amounts of health and lots of spells.
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Help me make an extremely overpowered character
No.
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Im on my phone so I can't link it but if you click my name and search for witch I made a level 3 (witch doctor, barbarian, something else...) with a 23 dc sleep hex, massive amounts of health and lots of spells.
LINK to Korthis' build. (I think)
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Okay, here's an idea.
We get request on the boards often enough, so why don't we just start making a guide with 'broken' builds, listing if they're melee/magic/ranged/etc, and separating them by level. We'd need to also include materials used since some of these threads have limited materials being able to be used.
It'd be nice to have a reference for these sorts of threads to just point people towards.
I liked using the Mauler Familiar, and trying to buff that up, as a Tattooed Sorceror. I find the Fox works best with Mauler; being tiny with a base str of 9, at lvl 3 when it morphs into Battle Mode, it gains +8 str from size increasing, +2 from the ability itself, and +1 for it being 3rd lvl (20 Str Familiar at lvl 3).
If you use the Evolved familiar feat, you can give it Claws, so that it has Bite, and 2 claws during a full attack +6 attk each attack (1d6/1d4 + 5 per attack.
Remember this is your FAMILIAR doing this; it's like vicious icing on your cake, and allows you to handle enemies with melee, or magic
Go human for feats, grab an evocation spell that could stand to benefit from Mage's Tattoo (Burning Hands, Shocking Grasp, even Magic missile if you take that +1 CL trait), and at lvl 3, when your in danger, you can sudden spawn a beast monster.
dont go with heavens oracle. Its great and OP but is a one trick pony. find something that can do at least 2 good tricks like the evangelist cleric.
A heavens oracle has all of his other spells as well, you know.
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That would be a pretty fun guide.
Although from 9th level on breaking Pathfinder with a spellcaster is no longer really a challenge.
I mean technically there's the guide to the builds, so really something like that with an expanded focus would be nice to fit the needs of what we've got going.
And yeah, casters break the game, but something like this should include HOW they're breaking the game, as your standard player isn't going to know how to make the universe cry just by seeing a spell list.
I don't really want to be the keeper of this guide right now, I've got other projects I want to work on, but if no one else does it by the time I'm done with what I've got going on, I'll probably end up taking the reigns on this.
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If he's sylvan, his animal companion can kick @ss(within reason, no constructs or stuff with material dr please). For hangover clerics, at lv 3 you need to choose to lockdown via burning channels or possibly do some melee dmg with your longspear on 14 str. If you're evangelist and have bard song, you still have action econony problems. Animal domain only kicks in at lv 5 for clerics. Soracles don't have that problem as they are playing themselves and an animal companion at the same time. Undead? Sic your godly high ac roc on them and watch your roc tear them to bits. Don't forget some oils of magic fang!
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16 cha. 6 times you can lockdown. 3 if you nova. When you lockdown sucessfully you do only neg energy channel damage. Damage done = half 2d6. Lockdown save = 14. Gnomes are throwing out dc 17 will saves.
16 str is interesting though. Pity you can only aoo once per round since you dont have the dex for combat reflexes. Could whack some nasty stuff with that...hmm. I'm undecided.
Lunar oracles don't have much battlefield control(used to use cause fear, as command is language dependent) until you get touch of the moon(inflict option). Even so, its confusion and thus a little chancy.
I have a feeling that if it was an arena wide pvp sessions, zen archers would come up on top still though :p
There is no deity with demon domain that has rulership portfolio. Dispater is an archdevil.
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'Overpowered' is relative - and there are different sorts of power. But here's one that's great at fighting humanoids.
Human Brawler 3
Gear: Agile AoMF/Studded Leather
Str:10
Dex:20
Con:14
Int:10
Wis:12
Cha:7
Feats: Weapon Finesse/Improved Trip/Combat Expertise/Vicious Stomp/Combat Reflexes
HP:31
AC:18
CMD:18
CMB:+3 / +9 for weapon use(+12 for tripping)
Ref:+8
Will:+3
Fort:+5
Attack:+9 1d6+5 OR +7/+7 1d6+5
It's not amazing vs huge things - but it can keep most any human sized critter on the ground - picking up an extra two swings with a +4 to hit at them when it trips. (Vicious Stomp & when they stand up.) And at level 6 it gets a 3rd AOO from Greater Trip, plus at 6ish the move action to stand up is a bigger cost as they'd likely be giving up iterative attacks. You could make it strength based to save a feat and the amulet - but then it has crappy defenses and fewer AOOs.
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True but at level 3 a heavens oracle has no level 2 spells, and has even lesser martial competency than many of its other oracle counterparts. Until it gets to level 4 its essentially got one great revelation and a selection of meh revelations. If it was level 4 my opinion would shift but when one caster has level 2 spells vs you not having any level 2 at all it IS significant.dont go with heavens oracle. Its great and OP but is a one trick pony. find something that can do at least 2 good tricks like the evangelist cleric.A heavens oracle has all of his other spells as well, you know.
Which oracle gets level 2 spells at level 3? Last I checked they didn't open until level 4, like a sorcerer.
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Spell Specialisation requires Int13 which you don't qualify for
Oh my bad for being in a rush. Guess I need to fix that.
Elf: Darkvision and Arcane Focus Alternate racial
(because at level 3 Darkness is a tactic and Dazzled means nothing to your cone of Death)
Str: 7, Dex: 15, Con: 11, Int: 20, Wis: 10, Cha: 11
Crossblooded Orc/Gold Dragon Sorcerer 1/ Admixture Wizard 2
Traits: Magical Lineage- Burning Hands, Wayang Spell Hunter- Burning Hands
Favored Class: Wizard +2 in 1/2 use of Shift (Su). (1/day)
Arcane Bond: Your Choice. Familiar for Initiative or Ring for more versatility.
specialized school: Admixture Evocation
Opposed schools: Divination, Necromancy
Feats:
1: Spell Specialization- Burning Hands
1: Elven Magic (Basically Spell Penetration)
2: Spell Focus- Evocation (PFS rules of no scribe scroll)
3: Empower Spell
Special Abilities: Touch of Rage(Sp): 3/day, Shift 1/day, Versatile Evocation (Su): 8/day, Intense Spells (Su): +1 Damage
Sorcerer Spells Known:
0-
Detect Magic (because you took Divination as opposed school)
Read Magic
Disrupt Undead (Because Necromancy is also Opposed school)
1-
_________ (can be your choice) Burning Hands is nice for a throw away character. More death is always nice. Magic Missiles are also nice if you buy a rod of toppling for 3k. =)
Wizards Spell Book:
0- All but opposed school (good thing we took all the good ones as sorcerer 0 level spells)
1- Burning Hands + 6 more of your choice Sleep, Color Spray, Grease come to mind.
Whole point is Empowered Burning Hands. All in a nice 1st level spell slot and a DC of 17 reflex for half. You can change elements if you come across any resistances. Very versatile for a 3rd level character. If you want to throw away all 3k gold invest in a Lesser meta magic rod like Rime, Selective, toppling, or extend. Adding in toppling Magic missiles makes a killer control mage at level 3. Being able to select out your team keeps you from player killing. Adding rime to a Cold-Burning Hands seems pretty mean if you know they are not going to die but need a de-buff on them as well as damage.
Help me make an extremely overpowered characterNo.
Best answer here.
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That kitsune sorcerer could be made even better by being cross blooded. Impossible bloodline would make almost anything vulnerable to those spells and I think either abyssal or infernal improves the DC checks of other such spells as well.
SInce its Level 3 and your not going to see higher levels you can 2 Dip bard as well for more casting of 1st level spells and Dirge bard archetype to effect undead. Would really blast open what you can effect with your Enchantments. Very little would be immune at that point.
Go to the DPR olympics thread and copy some builds. Multiarmed synthesists with multiple revolvers or something
Yep, my fault.