Is quilted cloth armor underrated?

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Here is a video and a project page about ancient Greek linothorax armor and a project at the University of Wisconsin in Green Bay to reverse-engineer it, and it looks like it (or at least the reverse-engineered version) does its job pretty well. The closest armor I can find in Pathfinder is Quilted Cloth, which: ". . . has internal layers specifically designed to trap arrows, bolts, darts, shuriken, thrown daggers, and other small ranged piercing weapons. When these kinds of weapons strike you, they tend to become snagged in these layers and fail to harm you. You gain DR 3/— against attacks of this kind. The special layers of the armor have no effect on other kinds of weapons." But it only gives you +1 AC, although at least it is light and doesn't limit your Dex much or give you an ACP. But from the video it looks like it also provides decent protection against more than just small piercing projectiles, whereas Rules as Written it is good only if you expect to be shot at a lot by hand crossbows and thrown daggers (which oddly enough makes it potentially good for Second Darkness, but not much good anywhere else).

Thoughts? Pathfinder does have a Bronze Age weapons section, but doesn't seem to have a Bronze Age armor and shields section.

Liberty's Edge

A linothorax is made by laminating many layers of cloth with glue or resin. It's basically fiberglass or carbon fiber made with flax fibers. It's not the same thing as the quilted cloth armor.

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Eastern Armor can be used to cover this.

Just a thought...

Low end Linothorax = Lamellar cuirass +2
Standard Linothorax = Lamellar, leather +4
lorica hamata = Chain shirt +4
lorica squamata = Scale Mail +5
Muscle cuirass = Breastplate +6
lorica plumata = Lamellar, steel +6
lorica segmentata = Banded mail +7

^Maybe make Linothorax = Quilted Cloth +{Something}?

Liberty's Edge

Linothorax != Quilted Cloth.

Saying a linothorax is made from cloth is both as true and as misleading as saying a carbon fiber car door panel or a fiberglass boat hull are made from cloth.

Perhaps if it's made of silkweave? ;)

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Well, even if Linothorax = Quilted Armor, I don't find it that odd.

The Shield doesn't give you a HUGE AC boost either, but traditionally it was one of the biggest defensive weapons around and one of the reasons why it was smarter for Medieval warriors to go Sword and Board rather than two Weapon fighter. It also was very useful in protection from arrows, and a vital part of a warrior's equipment up until guns started to become popular.

Grand Lodge

2nd Edition AD&D had both Padded Cotton armor and Stiffened Fiber armor.

Both of these came from the Maztica Boxed set for the Forgotten Realms...

In Pathfinder, Padded Cotton armor would cost 3 gp and give you a +1 to AC, and Stiffened Fiber armor would cost 10 gp and grant a +2 to AC.

Krensky wrote:

Linothorax != Quilted Cloth.

Saying a linothorax is made from cloth is both as true and as misleading as saying a carbon fiber car door panel or a fiberglass boat hull are made from cloth.

What I meant was maybe use Quilted Cloth +{Something} to represent Linothorax, not that they are actually made the same way.

I still think Lamellar is the right way to go.

From Ultimate Combat:

Lamellar is a type of armor in which small plates of various types of materials are strung together in parallel rows using fine cord. Lamellar plates can be constructed from lacquered leather, horn, or even stone, though steel and heavier iron are most common. Lamellar armor can be crafted into various shapes, including partial pieces such as breastplates, greaves, or even entire coats. The properties of specific suits and pieces of lamellar armor are determined by their material.

I had a go at making a Linothorax (Lamellar) wearing hoplite - probably a Lochagos in rank (Commanding 80 or so men).


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Fort +4, Ref +3 (+1 bonus vs. Trample attacks), Will +1
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. . gauntlet (from armor) +8 (1d3+3) or
. . unarmed strike +8 (1d3+3 nonlethal) or
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Pride -2 to diplomacy and sense motive vs. those who threaten, accuse, or challenge you, until they apologize
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