Help me build a pistol and sword fighter


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Grand Lodge

A few notes: PFS, can apply GM credit to start at another level, kitsune race. The idea is for a character that wields a pistol in one hand and a sword in the other, starting combat with ranged attacks then moving in to use the pistol and sword in melee. The Alkenstar trait for a bonus to confirm crits is nice, but suggestions for another are welcome. The picaroon swashbuckler archetype is a good starting point, but I feel like it could be done better. Spending a panache each round to fire in melee seems a little much.

Two levels of Savage Technologist barbarian would get me a dex boosting rage and the ability to fire in melee without provoking. This seems like a good dip.

Adding dex to firearm damage is an awesome 5th level gunslinger ability that I don't want to wait for. A single dip into mysterious stranger gives me that ability at the cost of one charisma based grit/panache as well as a free gun.

Swashbuckler still has the merits of free finesse and regain grit/panache via one handed piercing weapons, not to mention opportune parry and riposte deed! Parry with the sword, riposte with the pistol!

The biggest issue is reloading. With rapid reload and alchemical cartridges it becomes a free action, but still requires a free hand. I could do a one level dip into witch for prehensile hair for a minute each day, or two into alchemist for the vestigial arm discovery but both are int based classes. I like the idea of two levels in juggler bard for a free hand, can cast CLW and abundant ammunition, as well as bard song while still being charisma based!

I also considered a level of rogue for trap bonuses and sneak attack damage, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.

Without rogue levels, I'm at 2 barbarian, 2 bard, 1 gunslinger, and the rest swashbuckler requiring me to wait until 6th level for my "complete" character! There has to be a better way!

Grand Lodge

Barbarian Savage Technologist Archetype with a Dip in Swashbuckler + Fencing Grace. Dex to damage with Savage Technologist + Dex to Damage with Rapier. +4 Str/Dex while raging with No AC penalty!

If you can wait till later i would go Gunslinger-1/Swashbuckler-1/Savage Technologist-X

Grand Lodge

The fencing grace feat is great, but still need the bard levels for reloading...


Sword and Pistol is really hard to use, you are much better off going Cestus and Pistol....

Honestly, this takes way too many levels to get going but if you are dead set on it:

Swashbuckler (Musketeer) 1 [Quick Draw, Weapon Finesse with Rapier, Gunsmithing) Bard 2 (Alchemist 2), and then Savage Technologist 5 for a total of level 8 by the time you come fully online.

If you can pick Tiefling, grab the Prehensile tail and use that to reload it cuts 2 levels out of your build. You still won't be able to deal dex to damage with a Firearm for half your career in PFS.

Grand Lodge

Monkey Goblin give prehensile tail as well (+4 Dex, -2 Wis, -2 Cha though)

Grand Lodge

I don't think musketeer is a legal archetype or monkey goblin a legal race, unfortunately. I can still make it happen by 6th level with:
2 levels bard for free hand
2 levels barbarian for not provoking with pistol in melee
1 gunslinger for dex damage to firearm
1 swashbuckler for weapon finesse

Feats would be:
weapon focus rapier
fencing grace
rapid reload

Grand Lodge

I thought both musketeer and monkey goblin were pfs legal but I may be wrong, which is probably the case.

I believe you are right though that you could do all you wanted by 6th level. Everything about it seems pretty legit as far as I can tell.

Grand Lodge

I will be missing the quick clear deed, so if I misfire, it will take an hour to repair! If I wait until level 7 for fencing grace, I could take amateur gunslinger to get it...

Grand Lodge

I also missed that juggling requires concentration! During rage, I would have to make a sleight of hand check not to drop a weapon... which I can't do without the skilled rager feat!


If you take bard levels, you can grab mending. That removes the broken condition altogather. If you grab barbarian levels for savage technologist, you can also grab the breaker archetype, so when you misfire, it's less bad.

Silver Crusade

Juggler Bard? Did I read it right?

Grand Lodge

I didn't think about mending! That's a great idea!

The Juggler bard archetype allows you to wield 3 one handed weapons simultaneously. If you only wield two, you are treated as having a free hand.


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Mending takes 10 minutes to cast. Unfortunately for PFS, you can't buy a potion above minimum level, which means no potions at 3rd level (is a pistol 3 pounds?) You could probably buy potions of Heightened Mending, though, to get around that.

Silver Crusade

APOPHIS1989 wrote:

I didn't think about mending! That's a great idea!

The Juggler bard archetype allows you to wield 3 one handed weapons simultaneously. If you only wield two, you are treated as having a free hand.

Does that solve the open hand problem?


I believe there's an actual weapon called a "Pistol Swordcane" that you can use. Seems like it might be the best way to consolidate feats and whatnot.


there is a magic item (monkey belt?) which grants a prehensile tail. It does take up the belt slot so the DEX belt is off the table but it has a built in +2 DEX bonus and there is a higher powered +4 DEX version. haven't checked the pricing to see how it fits with society fame price limits but it might be a viable option for reloading.

Grand Lodge

zanbato13 wrote:
APOPHIS1989 wrote:

I didn't think about mending! That's a great idea!

The Juggler bard archetype allows you to wield 3 one handed weapons simultaneously. If you only wield two, you are treated as having a free hand.

Does that solve the open hand problem?

With alchemical cartridges and rapid reload, I believe so.

Grand Lodge

Kaouse wrote:
I believe there's an actual weapon called a "Pistol Swordcane" that you can use. Seems like it might be the best way to consolidate feats and whatnot.

That item is very confusing. I'm not sure there is even a blade attached... Regardless, pistol in one hand, rapier in the other is what I'm going for.

Grand Lodge

cnetarian wrote:
there is a magic item (monkey belt?) which grants a prehensile tail. It does take up the belt slot so the DEX belt is off the table but it has a built in +2 DEX bonus and there is a higher powered +4 DEX version. haven't checked the pricing to see how it fits with society fame price limits but it might be a viable option for reloading.

I considered it but was worried about the time limit of the prehensile tail, and the greater version adds +2 to strength, not dex...

Grand Lodge

Devo wrote:
Mending takes 10 minutes to cast. Unfortunately for PFS, you can't buy a potion above minimum level, which means no potions at 3rd level (is a pistol 3 pounds?) You could probably buy potions of Heightened Mending, though, to get around that.

10 minutes is still better than an hour!

Grand Lodge

It turns out that I read mysterious stranger incorrectly, it adds CHARISMA damage to firearms! That means if I continue barbarian for a few more levels, I would add BOTH charisma AND dex to firearm damage!

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