Familiar and Animal Companion OPtions Available For PFS Core?


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The Exchange 3/5

EvilMinion wrote:

As Kysh mentions, oblique references don't count in PFS. It has to be explicitly named. Which it is not.

Your Improved Natural Armor example works, because that feat is explicitly named.

But the list of animal companions EXPLICITLY SAYS that the list is expanded in the Bestiary. That's not an oblique reference, it's explicit.

Sczarni 5/5

Arguing minor details isn't going to change the list of allowed animals in the Core campaign. Every single source you reference is pertaining to specifics. Like the paladin mount section lists the available mounts, heavy horse, pony, boar, riding dog, ect. Celestial template also a specific template.

You can continue this all day as others tell you why a Roc is not core legal. Or you can play the classic campaign where that and many other ACs are legal. The point of the Core campaign is to be extremely restrictive. If this bothers you then perhaps Core is not your cup of tea.


kjenks wrote:

These animals are not described in the CRB; they are described in the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary.

Looking in the Bestiary, we see the description of the animals.

Those animals are described in the CRB (all legal mounts are Druid AC's). Just look in the Druid class for the AC descriptions.

You are in the wrong. Roc is not a legal AC in Core.

The Exchange 3/5

I'm right, and I've shown the rules that back up my point of view.

I'm on board with the restrictions on the Core Campaign, and I'll follow the rules that I see posted. Right now, the rules allow a druid to have a roc animal companion.

I've run into one GM who feels otherwise; at his Core tables, no roc.

Silver Crusade 2/5

kjenks wrote:

Here's another one.

According to the CRB, page 63, a paladin can select an animal as a mount.

These animals are not described in the CRB; they are described in the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary.

Looking in the Bestiary, we see the description of the animals.

According to the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide, page 20, this feature is NOT ALLOWED in the Core Campaign because it the class feature description in the CRB DOES NOT REFERENCE the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary.

But that's just plain dumb. Of course it's allowed.

In fact, when the paladin reaches 11th level, the mount gains the Celestial template, and this paragraph DOES reference the Bestiary.

So any reasonable reading of these rules should show that a paladin may have her mount (as described in the Bestiary), and a druid may have her roc animal companion (as described in the Bestiary).

I'm not sure what printing of the CRB you are reading; the description of the mounts is in the CRB, in the class description for druid.

PRD paladin description on divine bond wrote:


The second type of bond allows a paladin to gain the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve her in her crusade against evil. This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable. This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using the paladin's level as her effective druid level. Bonded mounts have an Intelligence of at least 6.

The mention of a heavy horse might be problematic, as what a paladin gets is an animal companion horse, with the intelligence raised to six. This is described on page 54 of the sixth printing, at the top of the 2nd column. It makes one reference to a special quality, but that description is in the handle animal skill entry.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

kjenks wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
After consulting with a certain high-ranking member of the PFS Campaign (who shall remain nameless unless they wish to be revealed), Roc is not a legal choice as a Core Animal Companion.
I call shenanigans.

I have no reason to lie.

I asked for clarification on several questions. This was one of them. But I'm not going to quote them in a thread that they haven't been involved in yet. I'll leave that decision up to them.

But, let it be known, the Roc is not a legal Animal Companion choice in Core.

Shadow Lodge 1/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

(Sorry for the minor Necro... but this thread was quoted in another to support ignoring the rules...)

The Rules is 3 Easy Steps;

1> The Allowance

Pathfinder Roleplaying Guild Guide v7.0, p20 wrote:
Core Mode play characters may not use any feat, trait, equipment, magic item, skill, or any other rule item from a resource outside the Core Campaign Resources unless it appears on a core play Chronicle sheet. For spells and class features that reference the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary, that sourcebook may be utilized with the restrictions noted in Additional Resources. Any item appearing on a Chronicle sheet earned in Core Mode play, regardless of source, is allowed to be used by a Core Mode character, except Chronicle sheets that open new races.

And here is the important sentence...

Quote:
For spells and class features that reference the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary, that sourcebook may be utilized with the restrictions noted in Additional Resources.

The Blog post clarifies; "That would include, but is not limited to, animal companions, special abilities, summon spells, etc... Only the Bestiary 1 is available for these extra options outside of the Core Rulebook."

MEANING: If a class feature references the Bestiary, the bestiary is a legal CORE MODE source with the usual restriction found in the Additional Resources document.

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2> The Reference

Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook, p53, under Animal Choices, last paragraph wrote:
The animal companions listed here are by no means the only ones available - additional animal companion types can be found in the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. Some of the special attacks and qualities possessed by animals are covered in more detail there as well.

MEANING: The Druid specifically calls out the Bestiary as having additional Animal Companion choices, as well as clarification of aspects of CRB options.

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3> The Validation

Additional Resources, Bestiary entry, Animal Companion section wrote:
Animal Companions: ankylosaurus, aurochs, brachiosaurus, dire bat, dire rat, dolphin, elasmosaurus, electric eel, elephant/mastodon, frog, goblin dog, hyena, monitor lizard, moray eel, octopus, orca, pteranodon, rhinoceros, roc, squid, stegosaurus, triceratops, and tyrannosaurus

MEANING: All of the additional animal companion types found in the Bestiary are legal.

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CONCLUSION 1: The rules are clear, if a little difficult to find. The Bestiary Animal Companions are legal.

CONCLUSION 2: The rules are clear. To disallow the Bestiary Animal Companions is in direct conflict with the rules.

[TL;DR] The Roc IS legal in CORE MODE. (read the post, it explains why/how)

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