Jingasa into a mask?


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I have read the re-skinning rules but am not entirely clear on them. Would it be against the rules to flavor a jingasa of the fortunate warrior into a "mask of the fortunate warrior"?


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I doubt it since you'd be changing the item slot from the base item.

The Exchange 5/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Belafon

It is against the rules. Just as you can't have a "belt of resistance +4" (it has to remain a cloak).


Kevin Willis wrote:
It is against the rules. Just as you can't have a "belt of resistance +4" (it has to remain a cloak).

I should note that the jingasa takes up the head slot, and the mask would do the same.

Sovereign Court 4/5

As it's staying in the head slot (which includes lots of masks/face coverings), I'd probably allow it, though you can't try to claim any other mechanical benefit as a result (i.e. "He can't tell I'm a tiefling, I'm wearing a mask!"). I would expect table variation, though.


Dhenn wrote:
As it's staying in the head slot (which includes lots of masks/face coverings), I'd probably allow it, though you can't try to claim any other mechanical benefit as a result (i.e. "He can't tell I'm a tiefling, I'm wearing a mask!"). I would expect table variation, though.

I completely agree. The only point is for flavoring.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

It depends on your definition of mask I guess, are you talking about the classic Japanese helmet with face plate (in PFS this usually comes with an O-yoroi armor.
In that case it could work since it would apply to the same slot, or since you could presumably war the jingasa on top of a nonmagical helmet, this should work, but I am no expert on the re-skinning rules.


Ah right, I forgot that mask is in the head slot category. I'd agree that it couldn't act like a mask covering your features too much.


buy a mask for 1 sp out of Adventurer's Armory
buy your jingasa
as long as you do not use your head slot for anything else you are golden
problem solved

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I would like it to be a Helm of the Fortunate Warrior. The only reason I don't buy one is its eastern look clashes aesthetically with my western full plate armor. If I wanted a clown suit I could go play World of Warcraft.


RocMeAsmodeus wrote:
I would like it to be a Helm of the Fortunate Warrior. The only reason I don't buy one is its eastern look clashes aesthetically with my western full plate armor. If I wanted a clown suit I could go play World of Warcraft.

Pretty much what I am going for, a jingasa really clashes with my characters outfit


what the
man just call it a western helmet of the fortunate soldier then
also don't make trash statements and bring WoW into this
transmog and gearing have changed the look of characters drastically from the Outland/Burning Crusade days

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

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Honestly, I try not to think about all my gear on my characters. I don't really like the aesthetics that get produced by imagining what the character would really look like by mid to high levels. One of the things I like about PFS is that loot/gear is handled off-stage so I can more easily just use it as the "other XP track" that it basically is in 3.X/Pathfinder and kind of just look the other way when it comes to the actual items themselves. :/


To be honest I'm going for more of a luchador mask.

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Captian Von Spicy Wiener wrote:
To be honest I'm going for more of a luchador mask.

May as well, you have the perfect name already ;-)

The Exchange 3/5

One of my favorite GMing experiences involved table of players, not characters, in luchador masks at Gen Con. It was going really well until they started tackling the runners from the other tables in Race for the Runecarved Key. So be careful what you wish for.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5

Its unclear to me. The sheer fact that some characters refuse to buy the hat (I've got one and I've seen others locally) because it is SO silly looking means that I think a good argument can be made that changing its look isn't just cosmetic.

On the other hand, disadvantaging players who care/ about that sort of thing doesn't seem right either

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Oh if the look is really that bad, just let them buy the ion stone with the same effect (minus the crit thing ^^)

Grand Lodge 4/5

Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Oh if the look is really that bad, just let them buy the ion stone with the same effect (minus the crit thing ^^)

Not sure how an Ioun Stone that grants +1 Insight bonus to AC is really the same thing as an item that grants a +1 Luck bonus to AC and can negate a crit 1/day.


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Jeff Merola wrote:
Oh if the look is reallyNot sure how an Ioun Stone that grants +1 Insight bonus to AC is really the same thing as an item that grants a +1 Luck bonus to AC and can negate a crit 1/day.

Especially when im using the fates favored trait!

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Captian Von Spicy Wiener wrote:
RocMeAsmodeus wrote:
I would like it to be a Helm of the Fortunate Warrior. The only reason I don't buy one is its eastern look clashes aesthetically with my western full plate armor. If I wanted a clown suit I could go play World of Warcraft.
Pretty much what I am going for, a jingasa really clashes with my characters outfit

In the Rise of the Runelords home game I played in, my halfling Gunslinger/Inquisitor detective type character reflavored it to a Fedora of the Fortunate Soldier, because, yeah, he wasn't wearing a cone on his head.

My PFS nagaji monk is happy that the silly hat he wore anyway finally gives him a mechanical bonus.

I think I generally see this ruled no, you can't technically re-flavor anything. If it comes down to it and it would make a difference whether it is a mask or a hat, it's a hat. You can't hide your identity by wearing it or anything like that. Though, as has been suggested, there is a mundane mask you can buy.

As an example, my geisha themed ninja has a Mask of Stony Demeanor. I like to describe it as a kabuki mask that turns her face into porcelain when she wears it, but, if it ever matters, her face is stone, not porcelain, and it looks however it looks in the book's description. Anyone seeing it can make a spell craft check to identify it, and I make sure to let the GM know what it is when activating it, instead of just saying "she puts on her porcelain mask." (That item has its own issues related to appearance, but I don't want to get into that here, other than to say, no matter how it's described, it is what it is, so however a GM rules its affect is how it works that game).

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I wear mine under a broad-brimmed straw hat. My characters tend to be lightly-armoured or unarmoured hicks. XD


RocMeAsmodeus wrote:
I would like it to be a Helm of the Fortunate Warrior. The only reason I don't buy one is its eastern look clashes aesthetically with my western full plate armor. If I wanted a clown suit I could go play World of Warcraft.

That hurts my feelings

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Jeff Merola wrote:
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Oh if the look is really that bad, just let them buy the ion stone with the same effect (minus the crit thing ^^)
Not sure how an Ioun Stone that grants +1 Insight bonus to AC is really the same thing as an item that grants a +1 Luck bonus to AC and can negate a crit 1/day.

See classic example of me being to lazy to look it up^^

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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I'm pretty sure you can change the Aesthetics of the item with out actually re-fluffing or reskinning per the reskining ban or guidelines. IE a helm is a helm is a helm no matter the style, however from a helm to a mask is not simple style variation even if it stays the same slot.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

You totally can call or flavour it whatever you want.

For me it will always be that conical sun cover from Jade Regent. Too useful for a tanky character, too silly to wear for anyone else.


It is my understanding that the goofy appearance is what balances out the power of the item. Wearing one makes it apparent that you're a Pathfinder and not, you know, a normal person.

-Matt

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Mattastrophic wrote:

It is my understanding that the goofy appearance is what balances out the power of the item. Wearing one makes it apparent that you're a Pathfinder and not, you know, a normal person.

-Matt

The item originally comes from the Jade Regent adventure path, and frankly in that area you stand out like a outsider if you don't have such classy headgear ^^

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Here's a picture of a western-style knight in a jingasa. I don't think he looks too silly. YMMV.

Link

Liberty's Edge 5/5

I make it a point to poke fun at any character wearing one of these.

3/5

I don't see a problem with OPs proposal.

Grand Lodge

I'm fine with a PC having a Mask of the Fortunate Soldier.

But there are two important points in my opinion:

The Jingasa is described as being made of iron. As this can have game effects, you can't reskin that part; the Mask would have to be made of iron.

If a PC wants to wear it to a social event, I would give wearing the Mask the same penalties as wearing a Jingasa.

Grand Lodge

Mattastrophic wrote:

It is my understanding that the goofy appearance is what balances out the power of the item. Wearing one makes it apparent that you're a Pathfinder and not, you know, a normal person.

-Matt

Since when have Pathfinders managed to look like normal people?

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Phosphorus wrote:
Mattastrophic wrote:

It is my understanding that the goofy appearance is what balances out the power of the item. Wearing one makes it apparent that you're a Pathfinder and not, you know, a normal person.

-Matt

Since when have Pathfinders managed to look like normal people?

[Wednesday Adams]They're homicidal maniacs. They look just like everyone else[/Wednesday Adams]

Sovereign Court

Per the reskinning rules, there appears to be no reason why a jingasa could not be a kabuto, or even a western-style helmet of some kind. A jingasa, afterall, is nothing if not protective headwear. I could totally dig a Pickelhaube of the Fortunate Soldier... you just couldn't ask to impale someone with your head because you reskinned your item.

The caveat is that the GM can still insist the jingasa looks like a "funny conical hat" should he or she decide it is relevant in some way. Say, for example, if there were an NPC who might react differently to people or things from Tien-Xia.

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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

There are also like a dozen styles of Jingasa that don't look like cones as well.


Gamerskum wrote:
There are also like a dozen styles of Jingasa that don't look like cones as well.

Indeed.

-j

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