A question of diplomacy


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Hi there,

Im current playing a kingmaker-like campaign and have gotten my group and our city into a pickle.

Our city and its farmlands are located between two large nations, lets call them A and B. The entire country is torn by war and as our city is rather small and more or less defenceless we are in dire need of allies. Currently we have been forced into signing an alliance with A which is less than favorable to us. A and B are at war with each other, but also with a third nation, C.

Our only weapon is to manipulate the three forces, diplomatically or otherwise, to weaken themselves so much that they no longer have the resources to be a threat to us.

I know its complex, but this is where you and your brilliant minds come in. Help my city not ending up as a toy of others.

Bring your ideas, anything goes!?

Dark Archive

Ally with B, then declare war on C, who will have to go through A and B to get to you.

:-)


Join A completely, and then take it over from the inside?


Not bad suggestions, however, allying with both A and B is not an option since they are arch enemies. Joining one of the sides complete will cost all integrity and political mobility. Taking them over from the inside is a lengthy process and while we would be scheming the population would be utilised by either A or B.

What i'm looking for is some how to play the two against each other since C is no real threat to our town.

My character is supposed to be the diplomat with both high int, wis and cha, but i have yet to figure this one out and hope that someone on this forum can think of some (crazy) plan.


If you can provide me with some information on A, B, and C, I may be able to help you.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Tell B that A are oppressing you (which they are, with an unfavourable treaty) and that they can send troops through your land, as long as it's kept secret from A that you're helping. Then tell C that B is vulnerable from the rear. Tell A that you've become aware of a surprise attack that C are planning on B that they can take advantage of.

Sit back and watch.

Lantern Lodge

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1) Take a lv of Gunslinger. *Edit: Grow a beard, you will look more serious.

2) Have 3 daughters (Adopt if necessary)

3) Marry each daughter to the ruler of A, B and C respectively.

4) Invite all 3 of your now son-in-laws back home for a family dinner.

5) Sit at the dinner table with your Double-barreled musket on your lap.

6) Get them to start talking to each other.

7) Peace

Edit: Oh and remember to get them grant you a suitable title like "Grandfather of the New Nation" or something similar.

EDIT 2: On 2nd thought, it may be better to pull this off as the MOTHER-IN-LAW. It can generate more fear/respect from your son-in-laws.

Remember! If you do go with MOTHER-IN-LAW, you could always threaten to "MOVE IN" with any of them... ...to help them keep the peace... with a musket...

*Oh! And remember to start talking about grand kids. Nothing sinks the warmongering ways of a warlord faster then his MOTHER-IN-LAW breathing down his neck over having grandkids.


The wedding scheme could per chance could perchance work, but i find myself lacking daughters as well as time to produce any.

Chemlak's idea of complete confusion could work though i fear simply telling them might not be enough. Our Gm plays very realistic when it comes to our enemies intelligence so double crossing should always be considered.

Issac I can give you a short introduction to each faction.

Us: mainly traders and in possession of one of the most active harbours cities in the country. Our "army" consists of a few hundred elite templars and a few hundred dwarven warriors.

A: Has a racktag army of approximately 7.000 soldiers. These are not very well armed or trained but has strength in numbers. They wish to restore an ancient empire which they believe to be the decedents from. They have monarchy though their ruler remains anonymous.

B: Has a smaller army than A, but has superior equipment, including gunpowder weapons. They lay claim to the same ancient empire but i ruled by a few noble houses. They have expressed that they wish to eradicate C, but the wish for dominance is well known.

C: Used to be the royal house that gathered the land under one banner, but since the death of the king it has been lead by his counsellors who to our knowledge was in fact behind his murder. These guys are the true evil, but at the same time no direct threat to Us.

If it help you please feel free to add your ideas. Nothing is too crazy or silly, even growing a beard is being considered.

Lantern Lodge

Zippomcfry wrote:
The wedding scheme could per chance could perchance work, but i find myself lacking daughters as well as time to produce any.

Hence the adoptions. Remember adoption could also mean roman noble family style adoptions, your new daughters could be adults with your family name.

By the way, how did A managed to force you into an alliance? I mean it seems while you are out numbered, your army is way more tougher then theirs.


Both the dwarves and the templars were later additions to try and level out the power. However now whoever we side with becomes the stronger one.

Shadow Lodge

Arrange the kidnapping of some important daughters/sons of C and make it look like A did it to hopefully provoke them into attacking them. Then leverage them for a better agreement. That should strengthen you some from the better agreement while weakening A & C and still holding B at bay.
When A is sufficiently weakened you find a way to encourage B to invade C which should drive them out of the weakened A. While you should be gaining strength throughout.


Is your power great enough to make all three fear you? Vlad the Impaler was very small compared to awesome powers that he found himself surrounded by but he was able to survive. Putting this into a fantasy scenario and you have the movie Dracula Untold like ot you play out to secure this small area. I've long said that a wizard who can turn into a dragon can reshape a countries borders if has a mind to. The key is to this is not diplomacy but bluff because your not going to have enough power to keep out everyone. Having said that it might be possible to in game develope a situation where you can convince your enemies that you are too costly to kill while they still have other enemies a their doorstep.


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Zippomcfry wrote:
Im current playing a kingmaker-like campaign and have gotten my group and our city into a pickle.

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