paizo.com Recent Posts in Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?paizo.com Recent Posts in Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?2015-01-16T00:01:48Z2015-01-16T00:01:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Michael Brockhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1372016-01-19T17:30:34Z2015-01-15T21:46:42Z<p>While we require that players have physical chronicle and character sheets, we want it to be as easy as possible for anyone to come to a PFS game and play Pathfinder! So if someone comes to your table without a printed character sheet, we strongly encourage you to find a way to include them in the game and then advise them of the rules for future games. We want everyone to feel welcome in our PFS community.</p>
<p>Another post removed. Topic is now locked.</p>While we require that players have physical chronicle and character sheets, we want it to be as easy as possible for anyone to come to a PFS game and play Pathfinder! So if someone comes to your table without a printed character sheet, we strongly encourage you to find a way to include them in the game and then advise them of the rules for future games. We want everyone to feel welcome in our PFS community.
Another post removed. Topic is now locked.Michael Brock2015-01-15T21:46:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?LazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1352015-01-15T21:41:11Z2015-01-15T21:41:11Z<p>It's not a matter of a GM refusing to let someone use digital versions, but requiring a physical sheet for him to review if needed. That's an important distinction, Jeff.</p>It's not a matter of a GM refusing to let someone use digital versions, but requiring a physical sheet for him to review if needed. That's an important distinction, Jeff.LazarX2015-01-15T21:41:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Jim Cirillohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1342015-01-26T21:41:13Z2015-01-15T21:40:54Z<p>I thought Mike Brock was joking with his first comment on this and then he doubled down. Broken tablets? That's the concern? </p>
<p>I think the incredibly small risk of a tablet getting cracked when a player shows a GM their character is worth the reward of how much hassle they save - especially at Cons. I'm hoping this is reconsidered.</p>I thought Mike Brock was joking with his first comment on this and then he doubled down. Broken tablets? That's the concern?
I think the incredibly small risk of a tablet getting cracked when a player shows a GM their character is worth the reward of how much hassle they save - especially at Cons. I'm hoping this is reconsidered.Jim Cirillo2015-01-15T21:40:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Christopher Rowe (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1332015-01-15T21:38:03Z2015-01-15T21:38:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Philderbeast wrote:</div><blockquote>This euling would make every onlkne table of pfs an impossability as there is no way we can bring paper sheets/chonicals to these games. </blockquote><p>Sure we can. I played off a printed out Hero Lab sheet with supplemental notes in a Roll20 game just last night.Philderbeast wrote:This euling would make every onlkne table of pfs an impossability as there is no way we can bring paper sheets/chonicals to these games.
Sure we can. I played off a printed out Hero Lab sheet with supplemental notes in a Roll20 game just last night.Christopher Rowe (Contributor)2015-01-15T21:38:03ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Quadstrikerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1312015-01-15T21:33:12Z2015-01-15T21:33:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Philderbeast wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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This euling would make every onlkne table of pfs an impossability as there is no way we can bring paper sheets/chonicals to these games. </blockquote><p>Webcam!
<p>"Can you hold that sheet up to the camera for a second? A little to the left please."</p>Philderbeast wrote:This euling would make every onlkne table of pfs an impossability as there is no way we can bring paper sheets/chonicals to these games.
Webcam! "Can you hold that sheet up to the camera for a second? A little to the left please."Quadstriker2015-01-15T21:33:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Michael Brockhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1302015-01-16T00:01:48Z2015-01-15T21:30:30Z<p>Another post removed. One more inflammatory post and we will go ahead and lock the thread.</p>Another post removed. One more inflammatory post and we will go ahead and lock the thread.Michael Brock2015-01-15T21:30:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Philderbeasthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1292015-01-15T21:29:27Z2015-01-15T21:29:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Michael Brock wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jiggy wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Michael Brock wrote:</div><blockquote>Physical <b>sheets</b> are required.</blockquote><p>To clarify:
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Chronicle sheets, character sheets, or both? </blockquote>Both </blockquote><p>This euling would make every onlkne table of pfs an impossability as there is no way we can bring paper sheets/chonicals to these games.Michael Brock wrote:Jiggy wrote: Michael Brock wrote:Physical sheets are required.
To clarify:
Chronicle sheets, character sheets, or both? Both This euling would make every onlkne table of pfs an impossability as there is no way we can bring paper sheets/chonicals to these games.Philderbeast2015-01-15T21:29:27ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?trollbillhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1282015-01-15T21:28:55Z2015-01-15T21:28:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Thurston Hillman wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And this is why we can't have nice things...</p>
<p>Seriously folks, it's pretty obvious that Mike didn't want to lay down the law on this subject, but when he's backed into a corner and people start pointing to this a FAQ-required post, he has no choice. It only gets worse when he gives an open response, something people can tweak to their regions, and then gets demands to drill down into exacting details.</p>
<p>Now we have a ruling, and people aren't happy with it. I'm 100% with Mike on this, because he was pretty much FORCED to make that response.</p>
<p>Yeah, if I handed my iPad to a GM and they dropped it, I would expect them to get me a new one. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people here would think the same, whether they admit it or not. That being said, if it's allowed for me to bring an electronic device to a game, and be able to show it to the GM in lieu of paper copies, then who does it fall on if something happens to the device? As the person with the device, I'd still say the person who drops/damages it. So all Mike is doing with this ruling is protecting his most dedicated volunteers.</p>
<p>Yes, the same logic applies to books, but a book is not a thing that costs hundreds of dollars...</p>
<p>I hope results like this can calm the storm of "OMG, I NEED AN 'OFFICIAL' RULING ON THIS NAOW!!!1!!!!!" and get us back to sensible people finding sensible solutions. </blockquote><p>Except that without the official ruling, we were back in the "Of course you need a paper character sheet, you'll have to play a pregen", "No, of course there's no need for paper, just bring your tablet" days.
<p>For all the fuss about not forcing Mike to make a ruling, people want to know they'll be allowed to play. If GMs can refuse to accept digital versions, that's a good thing to know officially. </blockquote><p>Agreed. With only 8 days left until GenCon registration, people who are planning on spending large sums of money and vacation time need to know how to make sure they can play once they get there.
<p>As additional note, however, I do want to apologize to Mike for being party to forcing an official ruling. Had I not felt the answer important, I wouldn't have.</p>thejeff wrote:Thurston Hillman wrote:And this is why we can't have nice things...
Seriously folks, it's pretty obvious that Mike didn't want to lay down the law on this subject, but when he's backed into a corner and people start pointing to this a FAQ-required post, he has no choice. It only gets worse when he gives an open response, something people can tweak to their regions, and then gets demands to drill down into exacting details.
Now we have a ruling, and people aren't happy with it....trollbill2015-01-15T21:28:55ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Thurston Hillman (Managing Creative Director (Starfinder))https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1272016-01-19T17:30:23Z2015-01-15T21:26:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Avatar-1 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I mentioned this <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#18" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">earlier in the thread</a> - are GMs not allowed to refuse a player on any grounds? </p>
<p>Are GMs <i>forced to GM</i> for every player no matter what? Or do we need a list of things they can and can't refuse on? </blockquote><p>This is what we call poking the dragon... I really hope we don't get an official answer on this question. PLEASE, don't answer this question.Avatar-1 wrote:I mentioned this earlier in the thread - are GMs not allowed to refuse a player on any grounds?
Are GMs forced to GM for every player no matter what? Or do we need a list of things they can and can't refuse on?
This is what we call poking the dragon... I really hope we don't get an official answer on this question. PLEASE, don't answer this question.Thurston Hillman (Managing Creative Director (Starfinder))2015-01-15T21:26:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Avatar-1https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1252015-01-15T21:26:13Z2015-01-15T21:24:01Z<p>I mentioned this <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#18" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">earlier in the thread</a> - are GMs not allowed to refuse a player on any grounds? </p>
<p>Are GMs <i>forced to GM</i> for every player no matter what? Or do we need a list of things they can and can't refuse on?</p>
<p>I'm sure the answer to that question is no, that GMs aren't forced to GM for every player no matter what. That's crazy.</p>
<p>The point is that GMs should be able to make a reasonable request of a player that they would only like people playing with paper, or that they don't mind people using digital character sheets or chronicles or dice, or any 1 of the 3.</p>
<p>The worse option is to say players aren't allowed to use them ever, so as to spare GMs accommodating of refusing player's reasonable requests.</p>I mentioned this earlier in the thread - are GMs not allowed to refuse a player on any grounds?
Are GMs forced to GM for every player no matter what? Or do we need a list of things they can and can't refuse on?
I'm sure the answer to that question is no, that GMs aren't forced to GM for every player no matter what. That's crazy.
The point is that GMs should be able to make a reasonable request of a player that they would only like people playing with paper, or that they don't mind people...Avatar-12015-01-15T21:24:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?thejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1242015-01-15T21:18:40Z2015-01-15T21:18:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Thurston Hillman wrote:</div><blockquote><p> And this is why we can't have nice things...</p>
<p>Seriously folks, it's pretty obvious that Mike didn't want to lay down the law on this subject, but when he's backed into a corner and people start pointing to this a FAQ-required post, he has no choice. It only gets worse when he gives an open response, something people can tweak to their regions, and then gets demands to drill down into exacting details.</p>
<p>Now we have a ruling, and people aren't happy with it. I'm 100% with Mike on this, because he was pretty much FORCED to make that response.</p>
<p>Yeah, if I handed my iPad to a GM and they dropped it, I would expect them to get me a new one. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people here would think the same, whether they admit it or not. That being said, if it's allowed for me to bring an electronic device to a game, and be able to show it to the GM in lieu of paper copies, then who does it fall on if something happens to the device? As the person with the device, I'd still say the person who drops/damages it. So all Mike is doing with this ruling is protecting his most dedicated volunteers.</p>
<p>Yes, the same logic applies to books, but a book is not a thing that costs hundreds of dollars...</p>
<p>I hope results like this can calm the storm of "OMG, I NEED AN 'OFFICIAL' RULING ON THIS NAOW!!!1!!!!!" and get us back to sensible people finding sensible solutions. </blockquote><p>Except that without the official ruling, we were back in the "Of course you need a paper character sheet, you'll have to play a pregen", "No, of course there's no need for paper, just bring your tablet" days.
<p>For all the fuss about not forcing Mike to make a ruling, people want to know they'll be allowed to play. If GMs can refuse to accept digital versions, that's a good thing to know officially.</p>Thurston Hillman wrote:And this is why we can't have nice things...
Seriously folks, it's pretty obvious that Mike didn't want to lay down the law on this subject, but when he's backed into a corner and people start pointing to this a FAQ-required post, he has no choice. It only gets worse when he gives an open response, something people can tweak to their regions, and then gets demands to drill down into exacting details.
Now we have a ruling, and people aren't happy with it. I'm 100% with...thejeff2015-01-15T21:18:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Christopher Rowe (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1232015-01-20T19:49:42Z2015-01-15T21:18:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Is there an option that doesn't require the player to have a printout of his current character on hand? </p>
<p>If not, there's not much of a compromise, is there? </blockquote><p>The compromise exists in that the player is not prevented from using her phone or her tablet or her laptop as she's used to and prefers in play. She's merely required to have a physical copy of the sheet as well, along with the forever-required physical copies of Chronicle sheets. What's so onerous about this?thejeff wrote:Is there an option that doesn't require the player to have a printout of his current character on hand?
If not, there's not much of a compromise, is there?
The compromise exists in that the player is not prevented from using her phone or her tablet or her laptop as she's used to and prefers in play. She's merely required to have a physical copy of the sheet as well, along with the forever-required physical copies of Chronicle sheets. What's so onerous about this?Christopher Rowe (Contributor)2015-01-15T21:18:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?TOZ (alias of TriOmegaZero)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1222015-01-26T11:31:11Z2015-01-15T21:17:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Thurston Hillman wrote:</div><blockquote> I hope results like this can calm the storm of "OMG, I NEED AN 'OFFICIAL' RULING ON THIS NAOW!!!1!!!!!" and get us back to sensible people finding sensible solutions. </blockquote><p>My sensibility is in short supply.Thurston Hillman wrote:I hope results like this can calm the storm of "OMG, I NEED AN 'OFFICIAL' RULING ON THIS NAOW!!!1!!!!!" and get us back to sensible people finding sensible solutions.
My sensibility is in short supply.TOZ (alias of TriOmegaZero)2015-01-15T21:17:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Thurston Hillman (Managing Creative Director (Starfinder))https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1212016-01-19T17:30:14Z2015-01-15T21:14:14Z<p>And this is why we can't have nice things...</p>
<p>Seriously folks, it's pretty obvious that Mike didn't want to lay down the law on this subject, but when he's backed into a corner and people start pointing to this a FAQ-required post, he has no choice. It only gets worse when he gives an open response, something people can tweak to their regions, and then gets demands to drill down into exacting details.</p>
<p>Now we have a ruling, and people aren't happy with it. I'm 100% with Mike on this, because he was pretty much FORCED to make that response.</p>
<p>Yeah, if I handed my iPad to a GM and they dropped it, I would expect them to get me a new one. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people here would think the same, whether they admit it or not. That being said, if it's allowed for me to bring an electronic device to a game, and be able to show it to the GM in lieu of paper copies, then who does it fall on if something happens to the device? As the person with the device, I'd still say the person who drops/damages it. So all Mike is doing with this ruling is protecting his most dedicated volunteers.</p>
<p>Yes, the same logic applies to books, but a book is not a thing that costs hundreds of dollars...</p>
<p>I hope results like this can calm the storm of "OMG, I NEED AN 'OFFICIAL' RULING ON THIS NAOW!!!1!!!!!" and get us back to sensible people finding sensible solutions.</p>And this is why we can't have nice things...
Seriously folks, it's pretty obvious that Mike didn't want to lay down the law on this subject, but when he's backed into a corner and people start pointing to this a FAQ-required post, he has no choice. It only gets worse when he gives an open response, something people can tweak to their regions, and then gets demands to drill down into exacting details.
Now we have a ruling, and people aren't happy with it. I'm 100% with Mike on this, because...Thurston Hillman (Managing Creative Director (Starfinder))2015-01-15T21:14:14ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Avatar-1https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1202015-01-15T21:13:15Z2015-01-15T21:13:15Z<p>The point is that even if someone is using a digital device, they aren't being overly obstinate to want to use that instead of a paper copy.</p>
<p>If a GM doesn't want the risk of dropping a tablet, then they can tell the player that, and the player can either convert to paper or walk from the table. That's accommodating each other.</p>
<p>Isn't that what this ruling was trying to do?</p>The point is that even if someone is using a digital device, they aren't being overly obstinate to want to use that instead of a paper copy.
If a GM doesn't want the risk of dropping a tablet, then they can tell the player that, and the player can either convert to paper or walk from the table. That's accommodating each other.
Isn't that what this ruling was trying to do?Avatar-12015-01-15T21:13:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?thejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1192015-01-15T21:12:05Z2015-01-15T21:12:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GM Hills wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Gonna chime in, only because I feel like it's worth noting.</p>
<p>I have NO problems with my players using electronic character sheets, however, I have seen too many times that players don't actually know where the numbers/calculations come from because they use HeroLab (Or whatever) as a crutch and don't actually KNOW how to make their characters work. That being said, if I ask them a question about their character, they should be able to answer it pretty easily, and many times can't. Further, I have had, more than once, a player's device drain the battery way faster than they had expected and leading into the last encounter, they are scrambling to write down as much of their character as they can because they don't have a hard copy of their character and only a car charger for their device...or no outlet available... To the point I actually have started bringing my own portable charger with me. Just have the sheet as a JIC, it might never come up, but if it does, you will be thankful. And if the GM is curious about something, you can just hand them the sheet and they can read over it without stopping the game or planning or whatever. It's helpful and convenient. And now the rules. </blockquote><p>Not to resurrect that debate, but printing out the Herolab sheet doesn't magically make the player know how the character works. Forcing them to play without HL might over time, but there's going to be a long period of forgetting buffs and getting things wrong in between.GM Hills wrote:Gonna chime in, only because I feel like it's worth noting.
I have NO problems with my players using electronic character sheets, however, I have seen too many times that players don't actually know where the numbers/calculations come from because they use HeroLab (Or whatever) as a crutch and don't actually KNOW how to make their characters work. That being said, if I ask them a question about their character, they should be able to answer it pretty easily, and many times...thejeff2015-01-15T21:12:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?thejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1182015-01-15T22:32:35Z2015-01-15T21:10:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bob Jonquet wrote:</div><blockquote> Avatar, notice the emphasis on "<b>no matter what</b>". There is nothing wrong with digital devices as I have said now twice, the problem is when the GM wants to audit something, but does not want the responsibility/risk inherent with handling someone else's digital device. There a plenty of options to work through the issue, but I don't need to list them. The bottom line is that both the GM and the player can be accommodating to the other and compromise so the game can continue. If either side is being overly obstinate, then yes, they are BadWrongFun </blockquote><p>Is there an option that doesn't require the player to have a printout of his current character on hand?
<p>If not, there's not much of a compromise, is there?</p>Bob Jonquet wrote:Avatar, notice the emphasis on "no matter what". There is nothing wrong with digital devices as I have said now twice, the problem is when the GM wants to audit something, but does not want the responsibility/risk inherent with handling someone else's digital device. There a plenty of options to work through the issue, but I don't need to list them. The bottom line is that both the GM and the player can be accommodating to the other and compromise so the game can continue....thejeff2015-01-15T21:10:16ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?TwilightKnighthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1172015-01-20T19:48:29Z2015-01-15T21:07:52Z<p>Avatar, notice the emphasis on "<b>no matter what</b>". There is nothing wrong with digital devices as I have said now twice, the problem is when the GM wants to audit something, but does not want the responsibility/risk inherent with handling someone else's digital device. There a plenty of options to work through the issue, but I don't need to list them. The bottom line is that both the GM and the player can be accommodating to the other and compromise so the game can continue. If either side is being overly obstinate, then yes, they are BadWrongFun</p>Avatar, notice the emphasis on "no matter what". There is nothing wrong with digital devices as I have said now twice, the problem is when the GM wants to audit something, but does not want the responsibility/risk inherent with handling someone else's digital device. There a plenty of options to work through the issue, but I don't need to list them. The bottom line is that both the GM and the player can be accommodating to the other and compromise so the game can continue. If either side is...TwilightKnight2015-01-15T21:07:52ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?GM Hills (alias of Heofthehills)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1162015-01-16T07:50:47Z2015-01-15T21:07:10Z<p>Gonna chime in, only because I feel like it's worth noting.</p>
<p>I have NO problems with my players using electronic character sheets, however, I have seen too many times that players don't actually know where the numbers/calculations come from because they use HeroLab (Or whatever) as a crutch and don't actually KNOW how to make their characters work. That being said, if I ask them a question about their character, they should be able to answer it pretty easily, and many times can't. Further, I have had, more than once, a player's device drain the battery way faster than they had expected and leading into the last encounter, they are scrambling to write down as much of their character as they can because they don't have a hard copy of their character and only a car charger for their device...or no outlet available... To the point I actually have started bringing my own portable charger with me. Just have the sheet as a JIC, it might never come up, but if it does, you will be thankful. And if the GM is curious about something, you can just hand them the sheet and they can read over it without stopping the game or planning or whatever. It's helpful and convenient. And now the rules.</p>Gonna chime in, only because I feel like it's worth noting.
I have NO problems with my players using electronic character sheets, however, I have seen too many times that players don't actually know where the numbers/calculations come from because they use HeroLab (Or whatever) as a crutch and don't actually KNOW how to make their characters work. That being said, if I ask them a question about their character, they should be able to answer it pretty easily, and many times can't. Further, I...GM Hills (alias of Heofthehills)2015-01-15T21:07:10ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?Avatar-1https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1142015-01-15T21:01:13Z2015-01-15T21:01:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bob Jonquet wrote:</div><blockquote> IMO, if a GM bans a player simply because they don't have a printed copy of their character sheet, that is bad GMing. OTOH, if a player is being a jerk about only using their digital device no matter what, I have no sympathy for them either.</blockquote><p>You've painted the digital side of that in a really bad light. If a player only wants to use their digital device, they are not being a jerk, any moreso than the player who only wants to use paper.
<p>How can you have it both ways like that? Obviously we want to accommodate each other, but the solution to that is <i>to allow whatever they're using.</i></p>Bob Jonquet wrote:IMO, if a GM bans a player simply because they don't have a printed copy of their character sheet, that is bad GMing. OTOH, if a player is being a jerk about only using their digital device no matter what, I have no sympathy for them either.
You've painted the digital side of that in a really bad light. If a player only wants to use their digital device, they are not being a jerk, any moreso than the player who only wants to use paper. How can you have it both ways like...Avatar-12015-01-15T21:01:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Can a GM require you to have a paper character sheet?trollbillhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvs9&page=3?Can-a-GM-require-you-to-have-a-paper#1132015-01-15T21:10:25Z2015-01-15T21:00:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Message board troll wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">trollbill wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Stratton wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Bob Jonquet wrote:</div><blockquote><p> People, you're missing the "spirit" of this (and many other) discussions. Stop trying to one-up each other. There is nothing wrong with electronic devices, nor is there anything wrong with strictly paper. The issue is having some consideration for the other person, be it the GM or player, and having a solution that works for both without burdening either or the other players at the table. When you force a discussion like this to Brock's level, he has to make a ruling that becomes binding. Remember that in the future before you escalate an issue. You may not like the ruling he makes.
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Table variation certainly spurs the largest amount of discussion, and often the most passionate, but its also one of the strengths or our campaign in that it allows a tiny bit of freedom to customize the gaming experience to suit your individual eccentricities. Embrace it before its gone. :-D </blockquote>Honestly, folks, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting pretty darn tired of Bob's nearly-infallible common sense and reason. :D </blockquote>That sounds reasonable. </blockquote>But if nobody feeds me I'll starve. </blockquote><p>Bro! You missed the point. I was saying it was reasonable for Mark to be tired of Bob's reasonableness.Message board troll wrote:trollbill wrote: Mark Stratton wrote: Bob Jonquet wrote:People, you're missing the "spirit" of this (and many other) discussions. Stop trying to one-up each other. There is nothing wrong with electronic devices, nor is there anything wrong with strictly paper. The issue is having some consideration for the other person, be it the GM or player, and having a solution that works for both without burdening either or the other players at the table. When you force a...trollbill2015-01-15T21:00:22Z