The Osirion Pantheon in PFS


Pathfinder Society

Liberty's Edge

Hi,

I have a Bones Oracle who worships 'Anubis' in PFS. Hes a Pahmet Dwarf who has effectively been ostracized from his people due to his tendencies and his false beliefs.

Whilst he follows Anubis, Im not certain.. well Im pretty certain he is not following the core beliefs and employs the use of undead (something Anubis is pretty much opposed to). Is there another God in the Pantheon that is PFS legal which would more likely be the source of the characters powers. Im still trying to keep to the Osirion Pantheon if possible.

Thanks

Shadow Lodge 1/5

I don't know, because you're talking about power sources, which oracles don't gain from deities. Since my only PFS divine caster is an oracle who worshipped a definitely legal god for flavor (Apsu), I'm not sure about (but what GM kicks you from a store after noticing an irrelevant deity error) if you can worship illegal deities if it doesn't matter (e.g. you don't get power from him/her, including traits, Deific Obedience, spells, etc.)

A slightly relevant example is my PFS wizard. He worships Iomadae, and is Lawful Neutral. He can be described as using a deific power source because he's an Evangelist. He also has an Imp as a familiar. He also feels the church of Iomadae to be a bunch of stupid weaklings given that he feels it's okay to use any means necessary to achieve good ends. Lawful Goodness is all over some aspects of that, including sacrifices other Good characters might not make. I've also asked the question of the morality of a semi-divine guy associating with fiends, but since there's no code of conduct, it makes sense.
Sorry if I didn't go anywhere near answering your question, but I think being an "imperfect servant" of a god is a nice choice, so in my opinion it's up to you how much you (and your dwarf, for that matter) like Anubis.
Wait, I think all Osiriani gods are PFS legal. Additional Resources knows all.

5/5

An evangelist of Iomedae who consorts with a fiend? Trying to think how that would actually work - if you violate the tenants of your god, you generally lose your powers. Associating with an evil outsider is to Iomedae as animating undead is to Pharasma, don't you think?

Shadow Lodge 1/5

Hate to say it just rules-wise (so I won't say it just so), but Evangelists don't have codes of conduct like Clerics or Paladins, only Obediences. Also, my group and I figured that it's okay given several reasons:
A) He's still devoted to the cause of Iomadae, and to Lawful Goodness to a lesser extent. He prefers to get the job done so it ends that way, but he doesn't have to do it Lawfully and Goodly.
B) His personal style is, "Who cares what the church thinks? Iomadae hasn't taken my powers yet," and this is the curmudgeonly way of the wizard, bringing annoying logic into the conversation.
C) Like an imp would probably try to exploit its master for hellish purposes, so the wizard subtly exploits the imp to try and make it better, for his and his deity's purposes.

Basically, he isn't as honor-bound to the orthodox methods of establishing order and peace as his (in his mind) wussy, illogical, yet undeniably devoted brethren.

Grand Lodge

:facepalm:

Shadow Lodge 1/5

KestlerGunner wrote:
:facepalm:

???

Grand Lodge

I would argue that you and your GM have ignored glaring sections of Iomedae's theology write-up. I would also say that your GM isn't running Iomedae or her church correctly by letting your PC get away with an Imp familiar.

Just curious - did you take the Evangelist cleric archetype? If so, you are supposed to be "voice of her religion in the world."
From the Iomedae wiki entry:
"With the exception of Asmodeus, she never associates or parleys with evil gods or fiends."
Not much room to wriggle there...

Even if you haven't taken divine casting benefits, your co-workers in the Church of Iomedae would turn that Imp into red paste in about six seconds... They wouldn't care if your character is 'subtly exploiting the imp.'

Why didn't you take a Lyrakien Azata? They're just as good at wielding wands and they don't want you and your friends to burn in eternal hellfire.

Shadow Lodge 1/5

I haven't seen a big theology write-up, where could I find it?
No, we're talking Prestige Class here.
Ok, that one tells me something. Very true.
True, but as I said, I don't associate with the church.
I think I just didn't like the Lyrakien as much. Maybe I'll look into other familiars (I really like the Carbuncle, even if it isn't optimal, but I probably won't take it). Any other suggestions besides Imp and Lyrakien?

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Perhaps people are confused because you seem to be abusing rules here.

(a) "He also feels the church of Iomadae to be a bunch of stupid weaklings given that he feels it's okay to use any means necessary to achieve good ends." and "He's still devoted to the cause of Iomadae, and to Lawful Goodness to a lesser extent. He prefers to get the job done so it ends that way, but he doesn't have to do it Lawfully and Goodly." That doesn't sound like Lawful Neutral to me. That's Neutral Good.

I just cracked open the door to a world of alignment-arguing pain. that's fine. But that may be one of the reasons that people are shaking their heads.

(b) "His personal style is, 'Who cares what the church thinks? Iomadae hasn't taken my powers yet,' and this is the curmudgeonly way of the wizard, bringing annoying logic into the conversation." That sounds to me like someone who has ceased to revere Iomedae. If your PC expresses that opinion at my table, he'll likely need to pay for an atonement.

(c)"Like an imp would probably try to exploit its master for hellish purposes, so the wizard subtly exploits the imp to try and make it better, for his and his deity's purposes." That doesn't work at my table. The Imp isn't just a nasty guy, it's made of Lawful Evil. Trying to trick devils is what got the good people of Cheliax into their current thrice-cursed situation. I relish the opportunity to see if you're cleverer than House Thrune.

Shadow Lodge 1/5

That does actually make sense, no alignment-arguing required.
That seems more to me like, "Iomadae doesn't seem to think it's a problem or a disgrace to her name and cause, her more pious LG followers do," but that seems like a fair assumption to make.
Oh, so that's why Cheliax is the way it is? I didn't actually know that. Like I said in my previous post, I'm now considering a new familiar. Given that this seems to have been resolved, I hope to avoid any conflict over it. Profound apologies to Matthew as well for changing the course of his thread.

Liberty's Edge

That is fine. Im always happy to see Story dictate the win.

No problem with thread deviation. I kinda expect it in this forum anyway :)

Shadow Lodge 1/5

Good point.

Silver Crusade 3/5

So you're looking for an Osirion god that would approve of the use of undead?

Aren't really that many, as most of the pantheon is actually good-aligned. Set does have the Death domain,and is probably the closest you could get.

Osiris is concerned with afterlife, but is Lawful Good and titled "Lord of the Living", so probably no. Kinda same with Selket, who has "embalming in her portfolio" but is a Chaotic Good goddess of healing.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Set is the Osirian god of darkness, evil and such. He's pretty much the Big Bad of the pantheon and the only one to have an obvious affinity for undead. Arguably his son Sobek (CN) might be relaxed about using undead for specific purposes.

Most of the gods of the pantheon are more skewed towards protection of the dead and ensuring the soul's safe passage to the (beneficent) afterlife. Set is the antithesis of these beliefs and practices.

Grand Lodge

Matthew Pittard wrote:


Hi,

I have a Bones Oracle who worships 'Anubis' in PFS. Hes a Pahmet Dwarf who has effectively been ostracized from his people due to his tendencies and his false beliefs.

Whilst he follows Anubis, Im not certain.. well Im pretty certain he is not following the core beliefs and employs the use of undead (something Anubis is pretty much opposed to). Is there another God in the Pantheon that is PFS legal which would more likely be the source of the characters powers. Im still trying to keep to the Osirion Pantheon if possible.

Thanks

Here is the blog post:

Osirion Pantheon

A possible solution would be to make your character a heretic. Your Oracle may not even be aware that his beliefs are heretical, or this may be part of why he was ostracized.

As he does not get a mechanical advantage from Anubis I think this would be fine.

There are even several archetypes that allow your character to have heretical beliefs - Separatist (Cleric) and, appropriately, Heretic (Inquisitor). Both these archetypes continue to keep their spellcasting abilities whilst straying from their deity's orthodoxy.

Liberty's Edge

Thanks. Whilst Oracles do not need to pick a God, I really was more interested so see if my concept of worshipping Anubis whilst not really 'worshipping' Anubis was possible.

Thanks in particular to Phosphorous. Its exactly what I was ruminating.

2/5

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I thought in PFS Oracles as divine casters did in fact need to pick a god?

5/5

Gamerskum wrote:
I thought in PFS Oracles as divine casters did in fact need to pick a god?

No.

The Guide wrote:

Clerics, inquisitors, paladins, cavaliers of the

order of the star, and samurai of the order of the star must
choose a deity as all classes in Golarion that receive spells
and abilities from a specific divine source receive their
powers from a deity. Druids, oracles, and rangers are
the exception to this rule.

Oracles were created as the non-deity divine casters of Golarion more or less.

2/5

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

ohh awesome. I guess druids and rangers get out so you can be a green faith druid. I wish they would sanction the Green Faith Article in WoR.

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

Gamerskum wrote:
ohh awesome. I guess druids and rangers get out so you can be a green faith druid. I wish they would sanction the Green Faith Article in WoR.

There's an available vanity to be of the green faith. It doesn' thave a requirement for no other gods, so you can mix it with any other deity (probably appropriate deity)

Community / Forums / Organized Play / Pathfinder Society / The Osirion Pantheon in PFS All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.