A few questions about Crafting Achievements and Crafting Points.

[Tyncale]

I think I know the answers to a few of these but want to check. Also a good reference.

• Do you only get Crafting points when you see the actual "Achievement Common, +0" in your chat window?

• If I craft *another* Common, +0 item(different sort of item) from the *same* profession, do I get Crafting points from that?

• If I craft another Common, +0 item with the same character, but for a different profession, I take it I *do* get Crafting points for that(since I get the Achievement), which will accumulate with the ones I have?

• Where can I check my total amount of Craftingpoints that I have accumulated?

• I noticed that when I craft a "Common, +1" item, while not having crafted the "Common, +0" item yet, that I get the Achievement for both a Common, +0 as well as the Common, +1 item. Is this correct and do I get the crafting points for both of these achievements, relieving me of the obligation to craft that Common, +0 item? Or do I have to make that item still, to get the crafting points?

• I read in Nihimons formatted data that we will need up to 133 Crafting points for a level 20 Crafter: if you somehow manage to stick with a single crafting profession(mixing it up with a combat-profession/skills that increases the same Ability as needed for the crafting profession) am I correct in thinking that you *will* have to get pretty much all of the +4 and +5 achievements too, in order to get to these high numbers of Crafting Points?

• In the same vein, am I correct in thinking that when you level up *two* crafting professions (that use the same Ability!!) with the same character, that you can partly avoid this need to craft +4 and +5 items, since you get Crafting points from both of these Craftiong professions?

Thanks!

[<Kabal> Kradlum]

I'm no expert but...

1) No. I believe you get them even if you are offline when the crafting completes.
2) No.
3) I think so.
4) You can't, apart from adding them all up in the completed feats window.
5) Yes.
6) I don't think so, but I'm not sure. For each tier, with just common and uncommon recipes up to +5 there are 112 points available, so it should be easily doable without +5. (Actually I am less sure. This was calculated assuming common +0 is 1 point, common +1 is 2 points etc, but that might not be the case.)
7) No, because you would be spending crafting points in both professions.

[Neadenil Edam]

• Do you only get Crafting points when you see the actual "Achievement Common, +0" in your chat window?

  You get a crafting point the first time you make something at that level for that type of crafter.

• If I craft *another* Common, +0 item(different sort of item) from the *same* profession, do I get Crafting points from that?

  No

• If I craft another Common, +0 item with the same character, but for a different profession, I take it I *do* get Crafting points for that(since I get the Achievement), which will accumulate with the ones I have?

  Sure

• Where can I check my total amount of Craftingpoints that I have accumulated?

  Not implemented yet so as Kradlum says you currently need to add them up yourself.

• I noticed that when I craft a "Common, +1" item, while not having crafted the "Common, +0" item yet, that I get the Achievement for both a Common, +0 as well as the Common, +1 item. Is this correct and do I get the crafting points for both of these achievements, relieving me of the obligation to craft that Common, +0 item? Or do I have to make that item still, to get the crafting points?

  This is correct.

  There is also a bug where we get crafting points for random upgrades to a "higher plus". Apaarently that is not actually meant to be happening.

• I read in Nihimons formatted data that we will need up to 133 Crafting points for a level 20 Crafter: if you somehow manage to stick with a single crafting profession(mixing it up with a combat-profession/skills that increases the same Ability as needed for the crafting profession) am I correct in thinking that you *will* have to get pretty much all of the +4 and +5 achievements too, in order to get to these high numbers of Crafting Points?

  As far as I know there are NO crafting achievement points for +4 or +5 item. The most you can get is points for +3.

• In the same vein, am I correct in thinking that when you level up *two* crafting professions (that use the same Ability!!) with the same character, that you can partly avoid this need to craft +4 and +5 items, since you get Crafting points from both of these Craftiong professions?

  All craft achievments from all your professions are totalled together into one total. HOWEVER some gateways require crafting points in the specific profession you are levelling up.

[Tyncale]

Thanks Kradlum.

I should have been more spcific about my first question, I meant to ask if you only get points when you are crafting something for the first time and get the achievement for it. I am sure off line or online will not matter.

Question 3, 6 and 7 are connected; you seem to suggest that you are earning, and then *using*(spending) these Crafting points in order to buy the next level of training? I am not sure that is true, because when I had leveled up one profession to level 3, and then wanted to train another profession, I could immediately train to level 3.

I *think*.

Now you have me confused. If what you say is true then this indeed means that even if you level up 2 crafting professions with one character, you have to get *each* of them 133 crafting points, which means making a lot of +4 and +5 stuff. Actually all of them. I added up all the Achievement Crafting points and I came up with a total of 126 points.

Nihimons sheets mentions Crafting=129 for the level 20 category, which I read as that you need to have 129 Crafting points in order to be able to train to level 20.

[Tyncale]

Thanks Edam. So Crafting Points are not used up, but are a treshold that you need to reach before you can train any further.

Not sure what you meant by your last remark about gateways.

[<Kabal> Kradlum]

I was offline when I crafted a +4 item in alpha and I never checked how many points I had, so I didn't know there were no points for +4 and +5 items. I'm also not sure if there are "rare" items on top of common and uncommon, I have never seen one, but that might be because they are rare. If you don't get crafting points for +4 and 5 items, and there are no rare items, then that limits the crafting points per tier to just 40 (using the calculation I assumed above), so I'm not sure how you would reach 133 points to get to the end of tier 3 without crafting points from other professions.

I may have misunderstood the way points and gateways worked. I'd always assumed if you earned X points and X points were required for a feat, then those X points are subtracted from your total and are not available for the next feat. Thinking about it, I don't think that is how it works.

[Tyncale]

I am not understanding the numbers: when I add up all the Crafting points you can earn with the Refining achievement for lets say Apothecary, I get to a total of 60 across all tiers. That's way short of the 129 points you seem to need to reach level 20

For a Crafting profession, when I count the +4 and +5 achievements too, I get to 126 for a single profession. Still short.

I must be reading those sheets wrong. Are they maybe obsolete?

[Neadenil Edam]

Well pretty sure in Alpha it used to be a total of 24 total crafting points available per profession:

4 levels x 2 types x 3 tiers = 24 possible

EDIT checked and the current spreadsheets include +4 and +5. That would give you 30 achievments. If the Alpha system of 1 point per achievment applies that is still only 30 points.

However if they now use the same system as the weapon achievments that is a total possible per profession of:

(5+4+3+2+1) x 2 x 3 = 90 points

Note that it may be intentional and working as expected that you cannot get to level 20 while restricitng yourself to a single profession.

By gateways (and again this was Alpha and may have changed in EE) i meant you often get things like level 6 smelter required something like an achievment of +1 uncommon smelter - not just any old crafting points.

[Tyncale]

Ah, thanks, Edam.

I figured it was mostly the Ability(Con, Dex) that was a gating mechanism, which required you to also level up skills/feats that increase the same ability.

This is why I have given all my crafters and refiners dual crafting/refiner roles, pairing the same ability requirements. There indeed seems no other way to get a crafter to level 20.

However I figured it would also be possible to level up a Dex based fighter that is also a Dex based Crafter, in order to get that Dex high enough to level all the way up to 20. A longer and tougher way (youd have to adventure with him)but possible.

If what you say is true though, and the Crafting points are another gate that needs at least two Crafting/refining professions, then that is a serious limit to some people.

I want to roll a dwarf Miner/Smelter, however that would not be possible then.

[Nihimon]

You might find the Crafting Points tab in Nihimon's Reference Sheets useful.

[Yrme]

Neadenil Edam wrote:

However if they now use the same system as the weapon achievments that is a total possible per profession of:

(5+4+3+2+1) x 2 x 3 = 90 points

Note that it may be intentional and working as expected that you cannot get to level 20 while restricitng yourself to a single profession.

Remember that you get 1 point for +0 item and *6* points for a +5 item, so the actual number for pure crafting professions is:

(6+5+4+3+2+1) x 2 x 3 = 126 points. In theory. Those +4 and +5 items will be rare, especially for armorers.

Refiners get no points for +4 and +5 refined goods.

However, it's pretty easy (maybe too easy, frankly) to get enough points. A crafter or refiner making a common and uncommon +3 at each tier will net 6 x 10 points - that's your base 60.

Check out the crafting recipes... there are 10 recipes that can be done by a zero level crafter, one for each craft. Tailor, for example has a recipe Wool Mittens that requires +3 course yarn. Get six +3 yarn, make a set of +3 mittens, boom: 10 crafting points. Repeat that with 6 other crafts and you have 70 points from zero level crafting, in addition to your profession. There is no need to train outside your profession - not for crafting points, anyway.

[Neadenil Edam]

Nihimon wrote:

You might find the Crafting Points tab in Nihimon's Reference Sheets useful.

Ok so looks like if you pick up all the "free" craft points that need no training and then train TWO professions you get enough points to take both to level 20 eventually.

[Tyncale]

Excellent, thanks Yrme, Nihimon and Edam. So that reference sheet indeed does show a deficit for someone leveling up a single profession and not using Yrme's great trick.

I am good to go now.