If Another AP Got a Hardcover Makeover, Which One Would You Want?


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Plus all the kingdom-related rules are now available in Ultimate Campaign (and on-line).


Although the lack of an official "we will most likely never do another hardcover revision again" statement so far is interesting, I doubt that it will happen. Even though I personally would love to see second darkness redone, doing such a thing comes in conflict with the way paizo is currently running their operation.

If they did announce that they were making a SD hardcover, you can bet that they wouldn't be able to give away the last of the original stock of SD material. They are still trying to sell it at every sale event, so it stands to reason that there may be a copy or two still left in the warehouse. However if you could prove that an updated product is something that people would be willing to buy, you may stand a better chance at getting it done for all the early products. Specifically in this case, the conversion of all 3.5 works to PF.

How? By creating a seventh part of the SD AP. Include all of the official conversions, class changes and advice on plot rewrites that the author feels is needed. Release this product in PDF form only to minimize the time/treasure/talent drain on the Paizo staff. Note however that this cost may still be too high to bring the product to completion.

If this seventh part is profitable(key word there) with a AP that didn't sell particularly well (IMHO there), it could prove to the company that more conversions could in fact be profitable to do. With this plan, you also gain the ability to sell those extra copies of SD sitting in the warehouse as it is not a full conversion.

In a perfect world, every AP could have a hardcover book full of shiny, glossy, full eratta-ie goodness two years after release. The economic reality is that you have to be able to prove that what you are proposing is viable and profitable for the company.

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The APs I'm most interested in playing based on the blurbs are:
1. Kingmaker
2. Giantslayer

Giantslayer is still coming out, so that leaves Kingmaker. I'd be excited to see a hardcover re-make.


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I have to vote for Crimson Throne. I bought the whole thing years ago but I've never mustered up the energy to run it.

A lot of it is awesome, and the parts of it I love, I really love -- but then I think about the titanic effort to fix the parts of it I don't like as much, to pad the parts of it I think are thin, and most of all to convert the encounters to be not just Pathfinder but interesting encounters in Pathfinder and I give it a pass for another year.

I'd buy a well-done update of it in a heartbeat.


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Count me in for Kingmaker. Because it's one of the most frequently played modules(1) it has had a lot of playtesting and has shown its enduring popularity. The sandbox nature of the module definitely lends itself to expansion and depth-addition. So many factions are only sketched at and the maps... don't get me started on the map inconsistencies. There are whole threads devoted to map inconsistencies on the Kingmaker boards. Also, expand the map south to the branch of the Sellen that travels east-west as a natural barrier. It would only be another hex or two. Also, orient the map northward (you can see I've given this some thought).

I could see a format where if the AP endures after 10 years that Paizo re-releases the AP as a hardcover "AP+1". The "+1" would be an additional adventure added into the AP. For example, in Kingmaker, this could be something around 10th level set in Mivon. A GM is really left to his/her own devices with respect to Mivon throughout Kingmaker, so this would be a welcome addition.

(1) References? *waves hand* You don't need to see my references.


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Easy. Age of Worms and Savage Tide, hands down. Got all the original mags, and the Shackled City HC, and would love more HCs. Not gonna happen, I know :-(((

From the PF APs, I don´t really know. I guess those built on the 3.5 rules are all worthy candidates, but would, as pointed out above, include quite some work for these to be partially rewritten, perhaps even expanded, on top of the rules update.
I´m quite sure that each and every AP could benefit from a revision, as products like these probably all have their flaws.

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In this order:
1. Carrion Crown
2. Serpents Skull
3. Skulls and Shackles
4. Legacy of Fire
5. Second Darkness

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UnArcaneElection wrote:

By the way, if Legacy of Fire does get redone, while we're at it, apply a much deserved NerfSledgeHammer to the What-The-#311-Were-They-Thinking This-Is-Better-Than-Most-Feats Absolutely-Bonkers-Stupid-Brokenly-Overpowered Finding Haleen campaign trait.

Lol I like that. I just think it needs more time in Katapesh City


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I'd pick either Shattered Star or Jade Regent, myself, just for the thematic consistency with Runelords. Jade Regent's more exotic, and could really do with a second pass to fix all the subsystems that don't work, while Shattered Star is more traditional but has some very memorable moments and a great where-do-we-go-from-here ending.

Council of Thieves would also be a nice one to see rebound, if only in the hopes of having it extended past the original ending. Bit of an anticlimax, that one was...


Hmm, I like the idea of getting a tight Kingmaker book. That would be neat.

I don't know if it could work, but I think a rad idea would be two hardcovers in a slipcase of

1. Iron Gods in a hardcover. Because it seems like either they didn't print a ton of copies to begin with, or it sold like hotcakes
2. Some sort of funky 'Technology of the Inner Sea' hardcover that pulls in elements of

a) the Technology book
b) Numeria, Land of Fallen Stars
c) the relevant bits of People of the Stars/the Numeria parts of People of the River

and then some other nutty product that combined the iron gods pawn box with the tech dungeon and (starship?) flip mats.

pie? meet sky!


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Runelord Apologist wrote:
I'd pick either Shattered Star or Jade Regent, myself, just for the thematic consistency with Runelords. Jade Regent's more exotic, and could really do with a second pass to fix all the subsystems that don't work, while Shattered Star is more traditional but has some very memorable moments and a great where-do-we-go-from-here ending.

Shattered Star came out two years ago pretty sure they aren't going to do that one next:-)

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Curse of the Crimson Throne first and foremost, Legacy of Fire close second.

If a large re-haul/re-write is involved, Second Darkness or Serpent's Skull.

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Kingmaker and curse of the Crimson throne.


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Kingmaker

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The beauty of this discussion is a) that Paizo hedged their answer to this question a few years ago in such a way that there is a possibility that they would do another hardcover (however improbable that possibility may be), and b) if we fans raise up enough stink, Paizo will put out another AP hardcover.

So, really, the tone of this discussion needs to steer away from fantasy to reality.

Crimson Throne is the most logical choice (almost universally praised, 3.5, many volumes out of print).

Second Darkness is a good choice as well, though I think less as likely due to there being more available stock.

I don't know much about Legacy of Fire.

While there would be some good PFRPG AP candidates, they likely wouldn't even think about those until the 3.5 ones have been updated.

My 2 CP.


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Well basically what paizo said, was its not viable to do compliations of all their adventures, or do it with any kind of regularity. But theres a reasonable chance we could get another hardcover for certain special events in an irregular fashion. People cant be 'expecting' all their favorite adventures will eventually come out in hardcover or they wont buy them as they come out. But its fairly likely we will eventually see another hardcover.

Crimson throne is probably the most likely, but I personally would love kingmaker. I would buy that in a heartbeat without skipping a beat on my ap subscription. Particularly if it included some updates and fleshing out. I think kingmaker, despite its use of subsystems and non-traditional format has become the second most popular ap (after RotRL ofcourse). Would be a fitting 10 year anniverary hardcover I think.

I also wouldnt mind another kingdom building ap but thats another conversation entirely

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Curse of the Crimson Throne would be the first choice.

Kingmaker would be the second. Yes it is new, but without porting the kingdom building rules (since they are in Ultimate Campaign), could result in a higher page count to develop locations that got a mention but no fleshing out in the campaign ... Like a certain tower on an island.

Second Darkness would be my third preference.


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My first would be Second Darkness. It has gotten a rep as truly abysmal, which it most certainly is not. The early parts of it are cool, dark, and strange, and they are quite impressive. The latter half has an ingrained problem, mostly where it doesn't match the beginning, and a remake would be the only real opportunity for redemption the AP has. I would LOVE to see what Paizo has learned since applied to it.

My second would be Kingmaker. It is huge, sweeping, archetypal and different. It would be possible to restructure a lot of it due to the constraints of the hexcrawl and the different scenarios, leading to some decidedly odd consequences. It would also be lovely to see an alternate scenario where promises from very early on are instead used as the ending.


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HangarFlying wrote:

The beauty of this discussion is a) that Paizo hedged their answer to this question a few years ago in such a way that there is a possibility that they would do another hardcover (however improbable that possibility may be), and b) if we fans raise up enough stink, Paizo will put out another AP hardcover.

So, really, the tone of this discussion needs to steer away from fantasy to reality.

Crimson Throne is the most logical choice (almost universally praised, 3.5, many volumes out of print).

Second Darkness is a good choice as well, though I think less as likely due to there being more available stock.

I don't know much about Legacy of Fire.

While there would be some good PFRPG AP candidates, they likely wouldn't even think about those until the 3.5 ones have been updated.

My 2 CP.

So even though Paizo has said they will be steering clear of kickstarter in the future, here is your substitute...

Buy out one (or more) physical copy of existing APs you want to see re-issued. You'll still have to buy the re-issue of course, and there's no guarantee it will even happen, but it's the next best thing (to direct feedback) to try and help along the chances of a particular re-issue happening.

In fact, the blog has a convenient list of potential purchase targets. ;)

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Darkbridger wrote:

So even though Paizo has said they will be steering clear of kickstarter in the future, here is your substitute...

Buy out one (or more) physical copy of existing APs you want to see re-issued. You'll still have to buy the re-issue of course, and there's no guarantee it will even happen, but it's the next best thing (to direct feedback) to try and help along the chances of a particular re-issue happening.

In fact, the blog has a convenient list of potential purchase targets. ;)

Fortunately, I've already done my part and own both APs. Have you done your part? ;-)


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HangarFlying wrote:


Fortunately, I've already done my part and own both APs. Have you done your part? ;-)

Although I wasn't playing PnP RPGs when Kingmaker came out, I went out of my way to get all 6 APs as soon as I could. I also kept careful eye out for other supplementary items (People of the River, for example). So, yes. Deed done! :)


Curse of the Crimson Throne


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I would totally buy a revised hardcover edition of either Curse of the Crimson Throne or Second Darkness.

Of the two, I'd actually vote for Second Darkness. Crimson Throne works very, very well as-is with the Pathfinder rules. All you really need to do is substitute in PFRPG versions of the monsters, and run it straight. Honestly, I think Crimson Throne is still the best overall AP that Paizo has done!

A revised edition of Second Darkness would give the devs a chance to fix the way-too-choppy transition between the Children of the Void and Armageddon Echo; re-write the elves so that they're not a bunch of xenophobic jerks; and just generally address the complaints.

I know that James Jacobs has mentioned on his "As Me Anything" thread that he has a whole bunch of ideas on how to fix Second Darkness and make it into the amazing AP that it deserves to be.

And the 10th anniversary of the Adventure Path line in 2017 is only two years away...

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Haladir wrote:

I would totally buy a revised hardcover edition of either Curse of the Crimson Throne or Second Darkness.

Of the two, I'd actually vote for Second Darkness. Crimson Throne works very, very well as-is with the Pathfinder rules. All you really need to do is substitute in PFRPG versions of the monsters, and run it straight. Honestly, I think Crimson Throne is still the best overall AP that Paizo has done!

A revised edition of Second Darkness would give the devs a chance to fix the way-too-choppy transition between the Children of the Void and Armageddon Echo; re-write the elves so that they're not a bunch of xenophobic jerks; and just generally address the complaints.

I know that James Jacobs has mentioned on his "As Me Anything" thread that he has a whole bunch of ideas on how to fix Second Darkness and make it into the amazing AP that it deserves to be.

And the 10th anniversary of the Adventure Path line in 2017 is only two years away...

Summed up beautifully. I love Crimson Throne, but it's so good already. Meanwhile, Second Darkness is probably my favorite Path... but it needs the help.

I'd love to see both eventually get their update, but in the end, it's easier to replace monsters than rewrite problematic plotlines. :)

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Haladir wrote:

A revised edition of Second Darkness would give the devs a chance to fix the way-too-choppy transition between the Children of the Void and Armageddon Echo; re-write the elves so that they're not a bunch of xenophobic jerks; and just generally address the complaints.

While I agree with the rest of your post, I'd point the problems to the first adventure being... not related with the AP as a whole.

Also the elves are a bunch of xenophobic jerks, they should be portraied as such, and having to cooperate with them is a major social conflict theme of the AP.
Please do not change, Golarion has gone vanilla enough.


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One example of a Male Elf in Pathfinder thats not an a@!%~++, just one is all i want:-p

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1. At least one volume of the AP should currently be sold out. The more volumes that are sold out, the more consideration should be given to an updated hardcover compilation.

2. The v3.5 APs should be looked at before the PFRPG APs. No point in updating the newer ones until all the v3.5 APs are updated.

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golem101 wrote:

Also the elves are a bunch of xenophobic jerks, they should be portraied as such, and having to cooperate with them is a major social conflict theme of the AP.

Please do not change, Golarion has gone vanilla enough.

Umm, dude, James Jacob has said elves in that AP are out of character since they aren't supposed to be xenophobic snobs in Golarion. Also, what do you mean "has gone vanilla enough"? Elves being xenophobic jerks IS the vanilla nowadays so changing it makes them not standard <_<


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No need to get worked up there :-)

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golem101 wrote:

Also the elves are a bunch of xenophobic jerks, they should be portraied as such, and having to cooperate with them is a major social conflict theme of the AP.

Please do not change, Golarion has gone vanilla enough.

Umm, dude, James Jacob has said elves in that AP are out of character since they aren't supposed to be xenophobic snobs in Golarion. Also, what do you mean "has gone vanilla enough"? Elves being xenophobic jerks IS the vanilla nowadays so changing it makes them not standard <_<

True.

The part about it being an error that the elves got portrayed in the wrong way (in part due to a lack of my time and inexperience as a developer, and in part due to the author drawing too much on classic D&D/Tolkein elf lore).

The part where my last name is missing its "s" is not true though.

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James Jacobs wrote:


The part where my last name is missing its "s" is not true though.

Crap, I knew I forgot something important D:


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My vote is for Second Darkness. I'd love to see what the designers would do with it now that they have even more experience with Adventure Paths.

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So, since now I know Paizo employees occasionally read this thread still, I would like to pester everyone with yet another "a hardcover AP compilation every 5 years or so is a viable plan" rant.

This time, I'm going to argue that consumers are, for the most part, uniformed and impatient, and based my argument on two big scale examples from industries that are bigger than Pathfinder:

1) Consumers are uniformed: I own a kindle and do 90% of my reading through it. Lately I read a wonderful book called The Martian and wanted to force a friend of mine who doesn't normally read to try it out. So I went to audible.com (Amazons' sub division of audio books) and found out that I can buy the audiobook of The Martian for only 3$ - which is a tenth of what it ususally costs. I quickly discovered that the major discount was because I already owned a kindle version of the book.
Intrigued, I decided to check this deal out. What I discovered was rather incredible: it is *always* correct to buy the kindle version of a book and then the discounted audio version, even if you are only interested in hearing the audio version. The difference in prices could be tens of dollars. Quite often, paying for kindle book + audio version would cost less than 50% of just straight up buying the audio version.
This is madness. A glaring loophole that just about anyone who's into audibooks could abuse to save a lot of money. The only way I can see this working is if most people are, for various reasons, not abusing it. Consumers are, for the most part, uniformed.

2) Consumers are impatient: for several years now Steam has been doing huge summer sales. The prices that games would get to in those sales are a joke - you can get ten games for less than 50$. I'm talking triple A games of the highest quality. The only catch? these are the games of last year. That's literally the only catch. Yet, year after year, despite everyone being aware of the summer sale, people would shell out 60$ to get a new game, because they simply can't wait 18 months to get it.

So, the point I'm driving at - people are not going to wait 5 or 10 or 30 years to get the compilation of the AP they want. It won't seriously deter anyone from getting the AP they want now. Also, many buyers will simply be unaware that buying a compilation a few years later would be cheaper. They'd simply stroll into a store (online or brick and mortar) and buy something.

Anyway, that's my new way of saying I want more compilations and think it could work. In some months I'm sure I'll find some new way of saying it again.

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Consumers are uniformed:

Not all of them. Although I was in the US Air Force when I first became a customer of Paizo products.


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You know what would be fun?

A hardcover version of the Kingmaker AP, with a few modifications:

* Re-examine some of the encounters, possibly incorporating elements from the Advanced Players Guide, Ultimate Combat, and so forth.

* Consolidation of the various background things that might be adventure fodder.

* Revamped "War of the River Kings"

* A "plotlines" section that contains some ideas for long-term plots for NPCs introduced over the course of the adventure. (Does the Old Beldame marry Jhod Kavken?)

* An "Extensions and scenarios" section that includes the best materials from the KM forums. (I'm looking at you, Dudemeister and Caleb T. Gordon).


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Paizo should fire up some crowdfunding for a hardcover rerelease of CotCT - just factor the write-off of the 3.5 books as part of the costs they need to cover (and give them out as rewards for backers.)

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Crowdfunding solves precisely zero problems here, because the biggest problem with hardcover rereleases is that they clog up the manpower and the regular release schedule, and both are pretty vital if you're running a business based around a stead monthly flow of product (and income).

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Gorbacz wrote:
Crowdfunding solves precisely zero problems here, because the biggest problem with hardcover rereleases is that they clog up the manpower and the regular release schedule, and both are pretty vital if you're running a business based around a stead monthly flow of product (and income).

Yeah, there's a post about this by Jason Bulmahn (?) explaining this (I don't find it atm).


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Crowdfunding solves precisely zero problems here, because the biggest problem with hardcover rereleases is that they clog up the manpower and the regular release schedule, and both are pretty vital if you're running a business based around a stead monthly flow of product (and income).

Well, they seem to be hiring pretty constantly. There are several options.

That new talent, instead of flowing to the Adventure card game, flow it to a hardback.

That new talent, instead of flowing into a new item, flow it temporarily to the a hardback.

Go freelance

Open some temporary positions, make it clear they are temporary, and hire people to do the hardback AP or continue the normal stuff and utilize those permanent positions that are freed up temporarily to the hardback AP version.

That's just off the top of my head. Crowdfunding it simply also funds those temp positions and shows that there is interest there.


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Paizo have previously expressed reservations about part time and/or temporary staff. A heavier reliance on freelancers is possible, I guess. However, the main point is not one of resources, nor demand for the product. This is why crowdfunding isn't a solution - as gorbacz mentioned, it solves problems paizo doesn't have.

The main issue arising from making compilations more common than "once in a blue moon....maybe" is paizo's business model (heavily subscription based) and the fact that providing incentive to stop subscribing is a risk to that model.

We can all theorise about how the benefits would "definitely" outweigh the costs - but we're not responsible for the ongoing employment of dozens of people, nor the financial viability of an extremely successful company. I actually suspect that the powers that be also believe that semi regular hardcover compilations wouldn't be too deleterious to their business overall. Risk mitigation is about more than belief though - things are going very well for paizo and tinkering with a core part of that success should be a last resort.

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I think the issue is that they don't want to hand either the AP or the hardcover to just any temp.

I suspect that the people responsible for the APs (Rob and James) have their APs lined up for several years into the future and would not want to give those up.

At the same time, James probably also feels very proprietary about the early APs and if they were hardcovered, he would want to be involved in the process.

So you'd need to hire a second James Jacobs, really. It's the shortage of him that's the issue. You can't replace that with just any temp.

(That may be oversimplifying a bit; there may be other key people than James involved as well, but the main point stands -- Paizo has key people in place who know what they want to do in revised APs, and they also have other projects crowding them.)


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I shall put in my two coppers now ... :)

First and foremost I'd vote for Curse of the Crimson Throne to get an Anniversary Edition treatment (and the aforementioned 2017 being the 10th anniversary is compelling as well).

But the ideas being mentioned here about Second Darkness I find nearly equally compelling. So, perhaps CotCT for the 10th anniversary (i.e. 2017) and the maybe Second Darkness in time for 2022 (aka the 15th anniversary). ***Although I would want to have it sooner if I'm being completely honest.*** And assuming it has a chance of happening at all.

Dean

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Steve Geddes wrote:

Paizo have previously expressed reservations about part time and/or temporary staff. A heavier reliance on freelancers is possible, I guess. However, the main point is not one of resources, nor demand for the product. This is why crowdfunding isn't a solution - as gorbacz mentioned, it solves problems paizo doesn't have.

The main issue arising from making compilations more common than "once in a blue moon....maybe" is paizo's business model (heavily subscription based) and the fact that providing incentive to stop subscribing is a risk to that model.

We can all theorise about how the benefits would "definitely" outweigh the costs - but we're not responsible for the ongoing employment of dozens of people, nor the financial viability of an extremely successful company. I actually suspect that the powers that be also believe that semi regular hardcover compilations wouldn't be too deleterious to their business overall. Risk mitigation is about more than belief though - things are going very well for paizo and tinkering with a core part of that success should be a last resort.

As mentioned above, there are two approaches:

- do something that's now otherwise out-of-print or unontainable
- fix or build out something

I'm personally much less interested in the first one. Just because something is out of print doesn't necessarily mean lots of people want it. I've got CotCT and would be unlikely to buy a hardback version (same as I didn't buy the RotRL one). I might be interested if they did Second Darkness but fixed the problems with it, or a Kingmaker but integrated the different parts of it better (with foreshadowing and so on, rather than finding out of the blue that the BBEG is this fey queen and that there's this guy in Pitax who doesn't like me none mentioned before).

But generally, I wonder how much demand there really is for all this. Paizo bring out two APs a year - do we really need them to go back and reissue the old ones that much? Isn't that more than enough for most gaming groups?

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Second Darkness!!! So much awesome. NPCs (villains and friends) in there are outstanding. Locations are amazing.
Riddleport was a perfect starting location.
It is even better if the area is actually explored and the npcs from the guide actually inserted and used by the GM.

Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire are my favorite APs so I guess a little bias is there, haha.

One more thing for Second Darkness... The Xacarba!!!! :D


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Well, they seem to be hiring pretty constantly. There are several options.

That new talent, instead of flowing to the Adventure card game, flow it to a hardback.

That new talent, instead of flowing into a new item, flow it temporarily to the a hardback.

I presume that if they are hiring these people, it's because they need them, not just to have them around. So just assigning the new hires (who are not all card game devs...in fact most of them I have seen announced seem to be on the RPG) will continue to cause time management issues. I'd rather see and extra editor or developer attached to a hardcover book than have those resources devoted to a hardcover AP compilation.

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Well, as much as I long for an AoW-Hardcover, I'd rather (and more realistically) vote for Curse of The Crimson Throne. I still think it's the best AP written so far under the Pathfinder banner, second because it would get the PFRPG treatment this way, and thirdly because I'm still angry about the german translation team (which I was part of at that time) deciding against the publication of said AP and would love to put the german HC (which they then would be forced to publish :D) next to the english HC.

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Having the Shackled City get the PF treatment would be nice (though you would lose some of the surprise factor of running a PF group through it and modding it yourself ... those who have read or played it know of which particular NPC I speak ;) ).

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Having the Shackled City get the PF treatment would be nice (though you would lose some of the surprise factor of running a PF group through it and modding it yourself ... those who have read or played it know of which particular NPC I speak ;) ).

Sadly, impossible. Shackled City is owned by WotC.

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The APs I'd really like to see in hardback - Age of Worms and Savage Tide - are likewise impossible.

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