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It's a brave thing because there will be those "purists" who lash out that that, wasn't acceptable then and shouldn't have been portrayed as such. It establishes another level of the character's strength that she is not only moral and upstanding, but willing to fly in the face of unjust cultural norms.

It's a step the show would lose nothing from avoiding, but gain much from presenting, even as simply a possibility and valid option. It says a lot that the woman who fell in love with Captain America, could also have feelings for a black man in that era, and have no qualms about it whatsoever.

It also makes a statement about what it truly means that Peggy is a good person.

Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember anybody so much as batting an eye at the two of them together (granted, he was stuck in a lab for a lot of that).

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The guy in the donut shop after they were forced to flee from the observatory. First he thinks Wilkes is harassing her, and when he realizes they're out in public together, he starts treating her like garbage too.

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Exactly. It was the only time that overt racism was invoked in that season. All of the other instances of racism in the second season were showcasing how institutionalized it was, even in as liberal a place as California in the 1950s.


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Chris Mortika wrote:
And, it didn't connect well with the rest of the MCU. This darkforce dimension is new stuff, and I hope to see it again in Agents of SHIELD or somewhere. It would have played better, I think, if it had been connected to, say, Gravitron.
I think it was supposed to preview the "Dark Dimension" from Dr. Strange.

One or two weeks later, Marvel's writers did use the darkforce/Dark Dimension in an episode of Agents of SHIELD. And I'm sure it'll play an important part of the Cloak & Dagger TV show that was announced a couple months ago.

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Chris Mortika wrote:
Why was Dottie even in this story-arc? What did she do? Her story had no resolution, and her abilities fluctuated wildly. And why was she trying to obtain the Hydra pin?

I... I'm sorry, I am misunderstanding your question. You seem to be questioning why Dottie was there when of course the question should be why wouldn't she be? Why Dottie? Because Dottie. Because Dottie is wonderful and amazing and talented and just the cutest little ruthless sadistic murderer/ballerina EVER! Why Dottie?!?! Dottie!!!! Dottie Dottie Dottie. Why is there not MORE Dottie? Why is there not a show called "Agent Underwood" that is on every day 24/7/365? And don't give me silly answers like "Because no show works like that" or "I'm not sure of the demand" or "Because Bridget Regan is in other shows too and has a life and has to eat and sleep on occasion." Dottie!

Dare you question Dottie's careful masking and/or use of different abilities to keep us guessing? Dottie! Why Dottie? Dottie Dottie. And did you not clearly hear Dottie explain she was investigating the Arena Club, a front for the Secret Empire and not HYDRA (the similarity to the astronaut symbol is a red herring), because they control this cesspit of a country? Dottie is here to save us all (maybe with a tiny bit of help from her true love and sidekick Peggy)! Or she might be here to kill us all, I'm not sure, but at least that means she'll pay attention to us for a hot second.

Dottie! Love Dottie. Be Dottie. Dottie is all. Worship Dottie. Dottie Dottie Dottie.

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Tammy likes Dottie.


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In "Civil War" Steve and Bucky were reminiscing about a time Bucky spent their return bus money trying to win a prize at Coney Island for a redhead named Dottie. Hmmm....


Damon Griffin wrote:
In "Civil War" Steve and Bucky were reminiscing about a time Bucky spent their return bus money trying to win a prize at Coney Island for a redhead named Dottie. Hmmm....

glad I'm not the only one to catch that :)


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I like Dottie too. {makes sekrit Bluff check not to swoon} I'd really like to see Bridget Regan play a bigger starring roll as a different character in an MCU film(s).

{briefly stops fine-tuning on Psyche-Magnetron targeting system to Google for Bridget Regan's current location}


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DeathQuaker wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:
Why was Dottie even in this story-arc? What did she do? Her story had no resolution, and her abilities fluctuated wildly. And why was she trying to obtain the Hydra pin?

I... I'm sorry, I am misunderstanding your question. You seem to be questioning why Dottie was there when of course the question should be why wouldn't she be? Why Dottie? Because Dottie. Because Dottie is wonderful and amazing and talented and just the cutest little ruthless sadistic murderer/ballerina EVER! Why Dottie?!?! Dottie!!!! Dottie Dottie Dottie. Why is there not MORE Dottie? Why is there not a show called "Agent Underwood" that is on every day 24/7/365? And don't give me silly answers like "Because no show works like that" or "I'm not sure of the demand" or "Because Bridget Regan is in other shows too and has a life and has to eat and sleep on occasion." Dottie!

Dare you question Dottie's careful masking and/or use of different abilities to keep us guessing? Dottie! Why Dottie? Dottie Dottie. And did you not clearly hear Dottie explain she was investigating the Arena Club, a front for the Secret Empire and not HYDRA (the similarity to the astronaut symbol is a red herring), because they control this cesspit of a country? Dottie is here to save us all (maybe with a tiny bit of help from her true love and sidekick Peggy)! Or she might be here to kill us all, I'm not sure, but at least that means she'll pay attention to us for a hot second.

Dottie! Love Dottie. Be Dottie. Dottie is all. Worship Dottie. Dottie Dottie Dottie.

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This message is approved, endorsed, and favorited by Norman Osborne. And not just because Dottie agreed to help get rid of that meddlesome insect!

Although I have to admit I slightly prefer Bridget Regan as Kahlan Amnell, largely for wardrobe reasons.


Norman Osborne wrote:
Although I have to admit I slightly prefer Bridget Regan as Kahlan Amnell, largely for wardrobe reasons.

Huh. I never made that connection. In my defense, I've only seen S1 of Legend of the Seeker, and that was over six years ago via Netflix.

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Norman Osborne wrote:
Although I have to admit I slightly prefer Bridget Regan as Kahlan Amnell, largely for wardrobe reasons.
Huh. I never made that connection. In my defense, I've only seen S1 of Legend of the Seeker, and that was over six years ago via Netflix.

Wait, are you KIDDING ME. I didn't even recognize her.

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*may possibly be sedated by SSR agents now*

Damon Griffin wrote:
In "Civil War" Steve and Bucky were reminiscing about a time Bucky spent their return bus money trying to win a prize at Coney Island for a redhead named Dottie. Hmmm....

And if comics lore is anything to go by, Buck likes his Black Widows...

Of course Dottie's not a natural redhead (though Bridget Regan is) but she's dyed her hair, so who's to say that wasn't her?

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
I like Dottie too. {makes sekrit Bluff check not to swoon} I'd really like to see Bridget Regan play a bigger starring roll as a different character in an MCU film(s).

They seldom recast the same actors for different characters in the MCU (though with some exceptions) though that would be awesome.

Or alternately, an immortal superpowered clone of Dottie is more than acceptable. Dottie! *struggles as she is restrained and injected with something*

Ahem.

I will also take as a consolation prize narratively appropriate flashbacks to Dottie -- for example, Kevin Feige said maybe possibly, perhaps definitely in an alternate universe, there might eventually be a Black Widow movie in our (and possibly more importantly, hopefully Scarlett Johannson's) lifetimes, and it would be cool if Dottie showed up in a historical flashback there (perhaps a MacGuffin to do with the Secret Empire stuff Dot was investigating turns up in the present day).

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{briefly stops fine-tuning on Psyche-Magnetron targeting system to Google for Bridget Regan's current location}

I just follow her on Twitter, but ya know, what works for you! ;)


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DeathQuaker wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
I like Dottie too. {makes sekrit Bluff check not to swoon} I'd really like to see Bridget Regan play a bigger starring roll as a different character in an MCU film(s).

They seldom recast the same actors for different characters in the MCU (though with some exceptions) though that would be awesome.

Or alternately, an immortal superpowered clone of Dottie is more than acceptable. Dottie! *struggles as she is restrained and injected with something*

Ahem.

I will also take as a consolation prize narratively appropriate flashbacks to Dottie -- for example, Kevin Feige said maybe possibly, perhaps definitely in an alternate universe, there might eventually be a Black Widow movie in our (and possibly more importantly, hopefully Scarlett Johannson's) lifetimes, and it would be cool if Dottie showed up in a historical flashback there (perhaps a MacGuffin to do with the Secret Empire stuff Dot was investigating turns up in the present day).

Yep, the Schrödinger's Black Widow movie would be a great place for more Dottie.

DeathQuaker wrote:
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{briefly stops fine-tuning on Psyche-Magnetron targeting system to Google for Bridget Regan's current location}
I just follow her on Twitter, but ya know, what works for you! ;)

{whispers:} Psyche-Magnetron

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Yep, the Schrödinger's Black Widow movie would be a great place for more Dottie.

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Personally after Civil War I'd love to see a movie told with flashback of Peggy and Dottie working with or against each other contrasted with Sharon and Natasha working together on the remnants of whatever they found.


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What I think would have been awesome, if the Agents of Shield were doing something in the present, and Agent Carter was doing something in the past, and the quests were related somehow.

Kind of like how we got the flashback of finding the obelisk... but more so.

Either have them both working the same case... or have them thematically similar to show the differences in SHIELD then and now... Then have them switch every week with who we're following.

Maybe even toss a time machine in there somewhere...

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DeathQuaker wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
I like Dottie too. {makes sekrit Bluff check not to swoon} I'd really like to see Bridget Regan play a bigger starring roll as a different character in an MCU film(s).

They seldom recast the same actors for different characters in the MCU (though with some exceptions) though that would be awesome.

Or alternately, an immortal superpowered clone of Dottie is more than acceptable. Dottie! *struggles as she is restrained and injected with something*

The LMD that Dr. Radcliffe is about to reveal?

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This is awesome news


I'll watch Blade and Ghost Rider Netflix shows, assuming they happen.

But Moon Knight?

I would kill everyone involved in this topic just for one televised hour of Moon Knight, much less a full series.

Especially if they look to the 2006 series as the basis for the show.

Marvel better watch out, if they involve all the rumored Netflix Marvel characters in future Defenders mini-series, then the Defenders are gonna be WAY more badass than the Avengers.

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I have no idea who Moon Knight is though.

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I was not a Dottie fan at first. It seemed so convenient that she was such an über badass, as if they had to put Agent Carter up against her evil counterpart. Felt lacking in subtlety and tacked on.
Then I realized Dottie was a graduate of the Red Room and an early Blaxk Widow and that really brought home the character, grounding her in the universe.

I do hope they either do a TV movie to wrap up the character. Or pick up the Hydra pin/key story next season in SHIELD. Maybe show Carter in some flashbacks.


Hama wrote:
I have no idea who Moon Knight is though.

Moon Knight is awesome (also agree with Norman that the 2006 version was quite good but the Ennis one still ranks as best)

Basically you take a guy, give him delusions of talking with ancient Egyptian gods, coupled that with him using different disguises and more than a little trouble with sanity and you MIGHT get Moon Knight.

Or just someone else.

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Jester David, it's Secret Empire, not Hydra! The similarity to the symbol they showed on SHIELD really was a coincidence. The Arena Club is the Secret Empire. Here is the article that explains this:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/20/agent-carter-season-2-spoilers-darkfor ce-secret-empire

(Also, Peggy in that red dress in that picture on the top.... gosh she's a purty lady.)

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
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Which I TOTALLY knew and HAVEN'T been reading Captain Marvel titles for the last two years without remembering that AT ALL. *rolls Bluff* Eh, that 4'll do I'm sure.

So wait, are you saying she should be cast as Carol, or are you saying Ms. Regan herself should be merged with Kree DNA and become our own universe's Captain Marvel?

Because, while I'll be honest that on the first bit I don't personally picture her as Carol, I really wouldn't object to either scenario.

phantom1592 wrote:

What I think would have been awesome, if the Agents of Shield were doing something in the present, and Agent Carter was doing something in the past, and the quests were related somehow.

Kind of like how we got the flashback of finding the obelisk... but more so.

Either have them both working the same case... or have them thematically similar to show the differences in SHIELD then and now... Then have them switch every week with who we're following.

If such a scenario could also touch firmly on the founding and establishment of SHIELD that would be awesome. I'll be honest, I get sick of a lot of time jumps in TV shows (Arrow thoroughly wearied me on flashbacks) this is the kind of thing that if handled well could actually be both entertaining and edifying for solidifying certain elements of the MCU.

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Maybe even toss a time machine in there somewhere...

The only problem with that is Peggy showing up in the present day going, "He's seeing WHO?" ;)


DeathQuaker wrote:
The only problem with that is Peggy showing up in the present day going, "He's seeing WHO?" ;)

That's classified ma'am... You may have helped found this, but you're not level 8. ;)

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Hama wrote:
This is awesome news

The Midnight Sons ride again.


Chris Mortika wrote:
And, it didn't connect well with the rest of the MCU.

The MCU never connected with the show either. All of the relationship was one way with movie events being channeled into the show, (presumably to promote the movie), but from the movie point of view, Agents of Shield, pretty much never existed. The events and characters of the show were never referenced in the movie universe, not that there was lack of opportunity to do so.

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But at least there's this. The Saint Agnes Orphanage was the orphanage where both Skye and Matt Murdock took up residence in during their respective childhoods.

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:
And, it didn't connect well with the rest of the MCU.
The MCU never connected with the show either. All of the relationship was one way with movie events being channeled into the show, (presumably to promote the movie), but from the movie point of view, Agents of Shield, pretty much never existed. The events and characters of the show were never referenced in the movie universe, not that there was lack of opportunity to do so.

There is one pretty big exception. Age of Ultron's new helicarriers to the rescue was a secret project Coulson was working on all season last year, it was never explicitly mentioned what it was until after the movie though.


JoelF847 wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:
And, it didn't connect well with the rest of the MCU.
The MCU never connected with the show either. All of the relationship was one way with movie events being channeled into the show, (presumably to promote the movie), but from the movie point of view, Agents of Shield, pretty much never existed. The events and characters of the show were never referenced in the movie universe, not that there was lack of opportunity to do so.
There is one pretty big exception. Age of Ultron's new helicarriers to the rescue was a secret project Coulson was working on all season last year, it was never explicitly mentioned what it was until after the movie though.

Or even SHIELD in general. If you ONLY go by the MCU, SHIELD was disbanded and shut down by Captain America and then the world. Having SHIELD show up later to save the day is a pretty weak cop-out if it's only a one way relationship. The show's whole focus was that the world thought them gone, but the've been here the whole time in the shadows waiting till they were needed.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
The only problem with that is Peggy showing up in the present day going, "He's seeing WHO?" ;)
That's classified ma'am... You may have helped found this, but you're not level 8. ;)

Pffft, like that would stop Peggy.


Norman Osborne wrote:

I'll watch Blade and Ghost Rider Netflix shows, assuming they happen.

But Moon Knight?

I would kill everyone involved in this topic just for one televised hour of Moon Knight, much less a full series.

Especially if they look to the 2006 series as the basis for the show.

Marvel better watch out, if they involve all the rumored Netflix Marvel characters in future Defenders mini-series, then the Defenders are gonna be WAY more badass than the Avengers.

My only concern about this (assuming its true), is that Marvel TV and netflix have stated they can really only due 2 seasons a year. So adding three more shows to the mix is going to be problematic for scheduling. I really don't want to have to wait 2 years or more to see a follow up season. They already announced Punisher, which I assume will fill the "slot" left vacant when they combine Luke Cage and Iron Fist with Hero's for Hire.

Also....Ghost Rider seems a bit expensive effects wise for a TV budget, and Blade seems like it might be popular enough to support a movie run.

Moon Knight would be absolutely perfect for Netflix though

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Not to piss on anyone's parade, but given it's merely a rumor, I'm guessing that site pulled some speculation from elsewhere--I remember reading a recent article where people were saying what they'd LIKE to see on Netflix and those heroes came up. I worry someone else took that for possibility rather than a wishlist.

It'd be cool to see those heroes--and more--but I'd also worry about them biting off more than they can chew. I'd like to see the Defenders come together and the new Cloak and Dagger -- and of course *wishful thinking* Agent Carter brought over -- before they start bringing in bunches of new shows in earnest.


I'd be curious to see what a Netflix Blade series would look like. The old FX series wasn't bad, though Blade was the least interesting character on the show.


MMCJawa wrote:
My only concern about this (assuming its true), is that Marvel TV and netflix have stated they can really only due 2 seasons a year. So adding three more shows to the mix is going to be problematic for scheduling. I really don't want to have to wait 2 years or more to see a follow up season.

That's true. But I have a solution. Cancel all the others, and give us two seasons of Moon Knight per year. Problem solved!

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Sorry, but I'd much rather have the Defenders.

We can still agree on our love for Dottie, however.

Dottie! *wriggles free from restraints and runs wild*


DeathQuaker wrote:

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but given it's merely a rumor, I'm guessing that site pulled some speculation from elsewhere--I remember reading a recent article where people were saying what they'd LIKE to see on Netflix and those heroes came up. I worry someone else took that for possibility rather than a wishlist.

It'd be cool to see those heroes--and more--but I'd also worry about them biting off more than they can chew. I'd like to see the Defenders come together and the new Cloak and Dagger -- and of course *wishful thinking* Agent Carter brought over -- before they start bringing in bunches of new shows in earnest.

It wouldn't be the first time rummors were leaked/started to influence negotiations. *Eyes Deapool trailer*

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phantom1592 wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:
And, it didn't connect well with the rest of the MCU.
The MCU never connected with the show either. All of the relationship was one way with movie events being channeled into the show, (presumably to promote the movie), but from the movie point of view, Agents of Shield, pretty much never existed. The events and characters of the show were never referenced in the movie universe, not that there was lack of opportunity to do so.
There is one pretty big exception. Age of Ultron's new helicarriers to the rescue was a secret project Coulson was working on all season last year, it was never explicitly mentioned what it was until after the movie though.
Or even SHIELD in general. If you ONLY go by the MCU, SHIELD was disbanded and shut down by Captain America and then the world. Having SHIELD show up later to save the day is a pretty weak cop-out if it's only a one way relationship. The show's whole focus was that the world thought them gone, but the've been here the whole time in the shadows waiting till they were needed.

Having Colson and his team piloting the Helicarrier would have been all kinds of awesome!

(And, no the movie should not explain how Colson is alive! In the end sequence have him explaining it to Thor, Cap, and Iron Man ... with the audience only getting the very end of that conversation.)

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DeathQuaker wrote:

Sorry, but I'd much rather have the Defenders.

We can still agree on our love for Dottie, however.

Dottie! *wriggles free from restraints and runs wild*

Perhaps, "Dottie Underwood" (Bridget Regan) should be the "model" of the LMD that Dr. Radcliffe was making at the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season closer.

Spoiler:
B.T.W., DC should be remined that there is a smoking hawt actress (Bridget Regan) available to help revive their "cinematic universe".


Lord Fyre wrote:
DC should be reminded that there is a smoking hawt actress (Bridget Regan) available to help revive their "cinematic universe".

Right, but as who, at this point? That ship has sailed for Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, the Enchantress, Katana, Lois Lane, Mercy Graves, Mera....

Huntress? Zatanna?

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
DC should be reminded that there is a smoking hawt actress (Bridget Regan) available to help revive their "cinematic universe".

Right, but as who, at this point? That ship has sailed for Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, the Enchantress, Katana, Lois Lane, Mercy Graves, Mera....

Huntress? Zatanna?

I was thinking Pamala Isly.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

Sorry, but I'd much rather have the Defenders.

We can still agree on our love for Dottie, however.

Dottie! *wriggles free from restraints and runs wild*

Perhaps, "Dottie Underwood" (Bridget Regan) should be the "model" of the LMD that Dr. Radcliffe was making at the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season closer.

** spoiler omitted **

As much as I love Dottie/Bridget and of course Peggy/Hayley, I'd really like to see either

Good guy:
Dum Dum Dugan (Yay for underutilized Neal McDonough!)

- or -
Bad guy:
the return of Arnim Zola (Yay for underutilized Toby Jones!)
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uploaded into that LMD, or one the first LMDs. If the tech existed to digitize/upload "Bad guy" must already exist, it possible S.H.I.E.L.D./acronym agency could have tested it on "Good guy" too.


Yeah I have to side with the Slaad one. Either of those two would be a much better use of LMD tech.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah I have to side with the Slaad one. Either of those two would be a much better use of LMD tech.

But, we know that the voice being uploaded is female.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
I was thinking Pamala Isly.

SOLD!


Lord Fyre wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah I have to side with the Slaad one. Either of those two would be a much better use of LMD tech.
But, we know that the voice being uploaded is female.

Yeah, I just rewatched the episode's last scene with Radcliffe

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where he activates what he says is "based on an old S.H.I.E.L.D. program" while the computer screen displays L.M.D. Phase 1, Upload Procedure. He says "Poor kids (Fitz & Simmons) have seen a lot of friends die. Maybe they didn't have to." He concludes by saying to his female-voiced computer assistant AIDA that they are celebrating "Because today is your (AIDA's) birthday." as an apparently feminine humanoid shape is shown behind translucent frosted glass.

I guess we are meant to assume AIDA is being uploaded to this (first?) LMD prototype. I haven't read the Squadron Supreme comics, but AIDA is likely based on Tom Thumb's computerized assistant of the same name. The show AIDA is voiced by Amanda Rea, but who knows if they'll use her to portray the LMD AIDA.

I'm just guessing, but maybe the original LMD program didn't stand for Life Model Decoy, but perhaps Life Model Duplicate. If so, then maybe it was how Hydra-within-S.H.I.E.L.D. "duplicated" Zola into the now-ancient computer system we saw in CA:Winter Soldier?

Edit:

Spoiler:
If they don't use Amanda Rea, could the AIDA LMD be based on another deceased S.H.I.E.L.D. agent?:
  • Hayley Atwell is busy in the lead of another show, so Peggy Carter is probably out
  • Bridget Regan's Dottie Underwood would be nice, but she was never a S.H.I.E.L.D. operative.
  • Victoria Hand maybe? But I'm not sure she'd fit within the current incarnation of the team
  • Maybe... Isabelle "Izzy" Hartley? It's a long shot, but it'd be nice to see more Lucy Lawless, especially if they give her character something more to do than last time

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Caineach wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but given it's merely a rumor, I'm guessing that site pulled some speculation from elsewhere--I remember reading a recent article where people were saying what they'd LIKE to see on Netflix and those heroes came up. I worry someone else took that for possibility rather than a wishlist.

It'd be cool to see those heroes--and more--but I'd also worry about them biting off more than they can chew. I'd like to see the Defenders come together and the new Cloak and Dagger -- and of course *wishful thinking* Agent Carter brought over -- before they start bringing in bunches of new shows in earnest.

It wouldn't be the first time rummors were leaked/started to influence negotiations. *Eyes Deapool trailer*

Yes, but that's different because Deadpool himself started those rumors.

Lord Fyre wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
DC should be reminded that there is a smoking hawt actress (Bridget Regan) available to help revive their "cinematic universe".

Right, but as who, at this point? That ship has sailed for Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, the Enchantress, Katana, Lois Lane, Mercy Graves, Mera....

Huntress? Zatanna?

I was thinking Pamala Isly.

That would be awesome. For heroes I'd vote Zatanna or Black Canary. And totally NOT just because I think she would look hot in fishnets.

Actually, given how amazing Ms. Regan is at fight choreography, Black Canary would be awesome.

Lord Fyre wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah I have to side with the Slaad one. Either of those two would be a much better use of LMD tech.
But, we know that the voice being uploaded is female.

I am totally behind on SHIELD (taking Bobbi away broke my heart) and barely know what you're all talking about, but based on the conversation here and even in spite of this particular piece of information, my guess at who the LMD is is Aloysius Samberly.

On another note, I remember Tony Stark name dropping the term "Life Model Decoy" in one of the Iron Man movies.

In a slightly more serious response to Ambrosia Slaad's second spoiler:

Spoiler:
IMO, the show wasted both Hand and Xena (because she was totally Xena in that particular role) and either one coming back would be glorious. Plus we know Lucy Lawless is a Cylon and there's already duplicates of her anyway.

On the subject of Dottie not being a SHIELD agent, how do we know? Last we saw her, she seemed actually concerned about Peg being aware of the corruption in the SSR, and notably using the phrase "your idealism will kill us all" like she considers herself included in Peg's circle (far more than Peg does at the moment, in fairness). Maybe they eventually realize she's a hell of a lot safer kept close and more than useful as long as she's given clear mission parameters. Maybe part of why SHIELD eventually took a chance on Natasha is because a precedent had already been set (to be clear, not why Barton spared her, but why Fury agreed to it when he had a kill order on her because she was the kind of person who burned down children's hospitals to get to her targets--the likes of which I'm not even sure Dot had on her rap sheet)... Not that I've totally and obsessively overthought this to death or anything.


if the LMD is female I am going to guess it might just be a copy of one of the existing non-dead cast members. Also would make economic sense (Pay one actor for two roles).


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And, it didn't connect well with the rest of the MCU.
The MCU never connected with the show either. All of the relationship was one way with movie events being channeled into the show, (presumably to promote the movie), but from the movie point of view, Agents of Shield, pretty much never existed. The events and characters of the show were never referenced in the movie universe, not that there was lack of opportunity to do so.
There is one pretty big exception. Age of Ultron's new helicarriers to the rescue was a secret project Coulson was working on all season last year, it was never explicitly mentioned what it was until after the movie though.
Or even SHIELD in general. If you ONLY go by the MCU, SHIELD was disbanded and shut down by Captain America and then the world. Having SHIELD show up later to save the day is a pretty weak cop-out if it's only a one way relationship. The show's whole focus was that the world thought them gone, but the've been here the whole time in the shadows waiting till they were needed.

Having Colson and his team piloting the Helicarrier would have been all kinds of awesome!

(And, no the movie should not explain how Colson is alive! In the end sequence have him explaining it to Thor, Cap, and Iron Man ... with the audience only getting the very end of that conversation.)

What would have been epic is kind of a rehash of the Shwarma scene.

Have all of the Avengers sitting around a table eating like, nachos, or something. Then just have Coulson end with, "And that is pretty much how I came back to life..."

Only to have Thor raise his hammer and say, "One question Son of Coul... What does this have to do with this place that you call Tahiti?"

Then Tony shakes his head, "Nuh uh, not buying it... What are you? Some kind of android? Robot? Life Model Decoy?"

Then cut to black.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
(And, no the movie should not explain how Colson is alive! In the end sequence have him explaining it to Thor, Cap, and Iron Man ... with the audience only getting the very end of that conversation.)

Through the first season, Coulson was all-but waving a sign announcing his alive-ness to the world, even telling agents of foreign powers, so if Iron Man, who is able to track down Spider-Man in his alternate identity, and Thor, who is friends with a dude who can hear the wool grow on a sheep's back from across the gulf of space, and Captain America, whom, along with Black Widow, has peeked at all of SHIELD's classified data, don't already know that Coulson is alive, it's because they've all gone blind and / or stupid.

But yeah, *some* crossover between the TV show and the movies in the other direction (rather than having the show being subject to 'crossover of the week' syndrome from the latest movie outing) would be welcome, as long as it isn't forced.

Bobbi Morse/Mockingbird as an Avenger, for instance, could be one way to go. She's more interesting, IMO, than either Maria Hill or Sharon Carter, thus far.

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As for thoughts on Dottie, I think that one thing that makes her, and Peggy, for that matter, so appealing to me, is that she seems to flat out love being her, and living her life. She regards the agents who are holding her in handcuffs with unconcealed disdain, because she's just that much better than them (just as Black Widow, tied to a chair, is completely in control of her first scene in the Avengers movie, flat out telling her 'captors' that *she's* interrogating *them*).

Whether it's entirely appropriate for a Russian deep agent with a traumatic childhood of abusive training to be so utterly cheerful and confident and self-possessed (and perhaps a bit of a sociopath?), it's darn sexy, and I like it!

I had no idea that she was the same person from the Legend of the Seeker show. Wow. She's crazy pretty, regardless. And what a shockingly different character. Apparently she can act, too! (Not always a given in Hollywood. Take Chris Hemsworth, for instance. Ugh. A big pretty box of schmoop, with not a single moment that makes me think 'there's a millennia old god of war and thunder, whom people like Nick 'My god has a hammer...' Fury treat with almost exaggerated respect, and Iron Man fears a little bit, because he's just a little bit terrifying!')

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And then there's the LMD reveal. I didn't like the flash-forward six months stinger, because I felt like it kind of jarred after the fairly subdued and thoughtful end scene with Hive-not-Ward and Lightning Lug.

But it does follow that they'd eventually tap the well of comic book SHIELD stories, and right after the bit with the Zodiac and Fury's nutso brother and the Scorpio key (which storyline is perhaps a good example of the rampant use of drugs in that era...), the LMD/Delta storyline is perhaps the most notable pure 'SHIELD' storyline that Marvel's put out. (Sure, they stick their nosey noses all up in everyone *else's* business, but these were 100% their shows.)

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I have a feeling at least some of the Avengers probably know Coulson's alive. Hell, I think May called Romanoff in an episode last season and so Natasha knows SOMETHING is going on with SHIELD. ((In MCU scenes we will never regrettably see: just picture the Cavalry and Black Widow kicking bad guy butt together and then grabbing a drink afterward. And this is why the disconnect between the TV shows and movies is sometimes painful to think about.))

Thor may not know if Heimdall or Sif hasn't told him... but god, it wouldn't make any sense at all if that was the case.

Tony may well have figured it out for the reasons Set states.

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Bobbi Morse/Mockingbird as an Avenger, for instance, could be one way to go.

If there was one character who deserved to go from TV to movies, it's Mockingbird. (My vote for #2 would be Daredevil, even though he ticked me off a little in season 2.)

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She's more interesting, IMO, than either Maria Hill or Sharon Carter, thus far.

I feel super sorry for Sharon Carter. She is in the MCU what the Earth-616 Peggy is in the comics. In other words, in the comics, Sharon is Cap's primary love interest and a badass agent in her own right who's done a lot of cool stuff (okay, also gotten kidnapped and brainwashed and stuff but that's what happens when you're a superhero's girlfriend that's existed in the comics since the 60s, you get your turn in the fridge, unfortunately [let's just not do that ANY MORE people!]), whereas Peggy's largely a background character there to fill out Cap's (and Sharon's) backstory and be largely just an older imitation of Sharon.

In the MCU, though, Peggy got a GREAT major role in the First Avenger and people loved her so much she got spun out into the one shot and the TV series AND she is probably second only to Stan Lee in terms of cameos in the films and AOS. We saw her FIRST, and fell in love with her. It doesn't hurt that Hayley Atwell would be fascinating to watch even if she were reading the phone book.

Sharon was SO SO SO sidelined and minimized in the Winter Soldier, a lot of people didn't even think of her as anything but a side-character of any particular importance--just sort of an everywoman of SHIELD rather than a major player in the Captain America universe. I know people who saw Civil War and didn't even remember her being in Winter Soldier or realize her character was a relatively major one in the Cap family. Sharon had more to do in Civil War, but that movie was so crowded of course she couldn't be given much more spotlight either (even though she still managed to have way better moments in the few scenes she was in, for the most part). So she's instead become a pale imitation of Peggy and comes off ultimately as Cap's rebound rather than a character in her own right---which really isn't fair to her, because the very little material she's had has in fact been really good. Emily Van Camp doesn't quite have Atwell's presence (IMHO), but she's nonetheless a damn fine actress who deserves a lot better.

Much as I loooooooved Black Widow's role in Winter Soldier (I know this will come as a surprise to you, but I happen to like badass spy ladies) I have to wonder if the bulk of her part should have been Agent 13's instead. I know they had to establish Nat's and Cap's friendship for later films (and I'm sure the studio wanted Johannson, who is more well known, drawing box offices sales), but if a lot of what Widow did in the movie had been handed to Sharon -- including stuff like handle the sense of betrayal from Hydra taking over and helping Cap find answers -- she would be both received a lot better and be in a much better place for future opportunities/stories. (Sharon for the MCU's American Dream!)

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