Kthulhu |
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1. It's a world where a superpowered man who's face fell off led a Nazi para-technical branch of the SS, and developed energy weapons from a magic rock from outer space; and was defeated by ANOTHER superpowered man, who crashed a plane into the ocean, froze into a block of ice, and was as good as new when he thawed out 75 years later. It's possible that not all elections had the same results.
2. At that time, there were actually some people in the real world who continued to refer to Trueman as the vice-president for the rest of the term; as he had not been elected as President.
Shadowborn |
2. At that time, there were actually some people in the real world who continued to refer to Trueman as the vice-president for the rest of the term; as he had not been elected as President.
You might have it right here. That scene threw me, not because I remembered the history, but because it seemed odd that he was answering to the Vice President. With something as important as Howard Stark's technology possibly being in the hands of the enemy, you'd think the head of the SSR would be conferring directly with the President. He might be one of those that would't refer to Truman as anything other than VP.
Lord Snow |
One note in particular about the code-breaking scene:
"I saw this at Lechley. It's a one-time pad system."
"You think I didn't try a pad immediately?!"
The one-time pad is a technique for encoding messages, yes. It says that, instead of using a repeating key, the two communicants use up a one-time encryption.
As our friends at Wikipedia wrote:In cryptography, a one-time pad (OTP) is an encryption technique that cannot be cracked if used correctly. In this technique, a plaintext is paired with a random secret key (or pad). Then, each bit or character of the plaintext is encrypted by combining it with the corresponding bit or character from the pad using modular addition. If the key is truly random, is at least as long as the plaintext, is never reused in whole or in part, and is kept completely secret, then the resulting ciphertext will be impossible to decrypt or break.[1][2][3] It has also been proven that any cipher with the perfect secrecy property must use keys with effectively the same requirements as OTP keys.[4] However, practical problems have prevented one-time pads from being widely used.So, first, it's not a one-time pad, because the Leviathan agent wasn't decrypting his messages letter-by-letter. Second, if it were a pad, neither the cryptographer nor Peggy nor anyone else could decrypt it. The plaintext would be, literally, as likely as any other equal-lengthed message.
Yeah, the only way this would be a one time pad is if they meant it that all the letters had the same shift - it's the only kind of pad you can decipher. But, there are two redeeming factors:
1) The science in the MCU has always been wildly inaccurate - it's simply that this time their attempt at techno-babble was one that anyone with the most basic knowledge in cryptography could notice as nonsense.2) It turned out later that the encoded massage was a trap - so it was meant to be decoded. Still, in that case, Peggy should have been suspicious - using a constant one time pad like that is so easily compromised that there's almost no point to bother, if you truly wish your massage to remain secret.
Tinkergoth |
One note in particular about the code-breaking scene:
"I saw this at Lechley. It's a one-time pad system."
"You think I didn't try a pad immediately?!"
The one-time pad is a technique for encoding messages, yes. It says that, instead of using a repeating key, the two communicants use up a one-time encryption.
As our friends at Wikipedia wrote:In cryptography, a one-time pad (OTP) is an encryption technique that cannot be cracked if used correctly. In this technique, a plaintext is paired with a random secret key (or pad). Then, each bit or character of the plaintext is encrypted by combining it with the corresponding bit or character from the pad using modular addition. If the key is truly random, is at least as long as the plaintext, is never reused in whole or in part, and is kept completely secret, then the resulting ciphertext will be impossible to decrypt or break.[1][2][3] It has also been proven that any cipher with the perfect secrecy property must use keys with effectively the same requirements as OTP keys.[4] However, practical problems have prevented one-time pads from being widely used.So, first, it's not a one-time pad, because the Leviathan agent wasn't decrypting his messages letter-by-letter. Second, if it were a pad, neither the cryptographer nor Peggy nor anyone else could decrypt it. The plaintext would be, literally, as likely as any other equal-lengthed message.
Yeah I thought that was a bit weird. They must have just decided it sounded good and went with it.
FYI as well, I don't think it was Lechley. Given that they're talking about cryptography, Carter would have been referring to Bletchley Park, where Alan Turing (and a lot of other people) worked to break Enigma. And on that note, if you haven't seen it yet and have any interest in the history behind it, I'd highly recommend watching The Imitation Game. Broadly accurate in terms of what they did, though a lot of the more specific details are obviously changed for the purposes of making an entertaining film.
Aberzombie |
Yeah, I like the Chief. Dude is pretty badass. I can see him even being the first director of SHIELD (if that's where this is leading).
And that Russian psych guy has become very interesting to me. can't wait to see what they do to further develop him.
Also, props to the writer's for the gratuitous girl-girl kiss.
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
Greylurker |
man I can not imagine watching this filled with commercials. We've been getting it off the Playstation store at $2 an episode. I can tell where the ads would be and I can't help but feel it would completely break the suspence of the show.
This is a great show with some fantastic storytelling. Hope we get another season someday
Lord Snow |
Good episode. It doesn't really feel to me like Carter is in trouble, though - she really does have a very reasonable explanation fro all she did with evidence to back it up. Jarvis, interrogated separately, could back her up. People might be mad at her for hiding things from them, but accusing her of treason seems excessive.
Lord Snow |
Some of it could be explained. What I see as the problem is Captain America's blood and why she would have that. But now that I think about it, did she still have it in her possession when they arrested her? I can't recall now.
Yes - she returned to her apartment to retrieve it.
What I think gives her a *really* strong case is the circumstances in which they found her - passed out in a hallway with a woman leaning over her. And traces of some knock-out drug on her lips (still slightly giddy at that scene).
And, she has a reasonable explanation for the blood as well - she was tricked by Stark.
Xzaral |
Xzaral wrote:Some of it could be explained. What I see as the problem is Captain America's blood and why she would have that. But now that I think about it, did she still have it in her possession when they arrested her? I can't recall now.
Yes - she returned to her apartment to retrieve it.
What I think gives her a *really* strong case is the circumstances in which they found her - passed out in a hallway with a woman leaning over her. And traces of some knock-out drug on her lips (still slightly giddy at that scene).
And, she has a reasonable explanation for the blood as well - she was tricked by Stark.
I'd still be suspicious. They just uncovered the training camp for women. Who speaks Russian on the team? Agent Carter. Found lying in a hallway unconscious? Seems pretty convenient to me. The woman who was standing over here is missing now? That seems odd to, possibly an accomplice?
And really what evidence does she have in support of any of the things she did aside from Jarvis, who is not the most reliable witness to any of this considering his relationship as Howard Stark's butler. I'm trying to come up with some and I can't do so.
Lord Snow |
I'd still be suspicious. They just uncovered the training camp for women. Who speaks Russian on the team? Agent Carter. Found lying in a hallway unconscious? Seems pretty convenient to me. The woman who was standing over here is missing now? That seems odd to, possibly an accomplice?
They have records of Carter growing up in England though, can't really suspect she spent her childhood in Russia.
And really what evidence does she have in support of any of the things she did aside from Jarvis, who is not the most reliable witness to any of this considering his relationship as Howard Stark's butler. I'm trying to come up with some and I can't do so.
It's less about hard evidence and more about her having consistent explanation for everything she did. If she were lying she would get tangled at some point because the story is truly twisted. It's just not a lie anyone would come up with.
It seems like after a few hours for everyone to cool their head, the mistrust should resolve itself.
Xzaral |
I pretty much agree with you thoughts on how it will eventually go, but still it could be enough to cast suspicion on her, which I think is what they're trying to do at this point. Keep the SSR aimed on her while the psychiatrist does whatever it is he's planning. Sure eventually they'll figure it out but by then it might be too late.
Kthulhu |
I wouldn't say it was someone they trusted that turned on them. It's more like someone they didn't even feel was competent to turn on them has turned on them.
And while treason might be a bit extreme, she is actually guilty of having impeded and interfered with an investigation. That consistent explanation she has includes her breaking the law on numerous occasions.
"They have records of Carter growing up in England though, can't really suspect she spent her childhood in Russia."
Dottie probably has records of having lived in Iowa. Those types of records can be faked.
Aberzombie |
Hmmmm.....
But...WTF was that stuff in crate 17?!? I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of "Howard was trying to invent something else and it went horribly wrong so he locked the results away in his vault but really should have destroyed it and now feels really guilty".
Kalshane |
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Obviously, it's what was used in that 'battle of Finow' they keep referencing.
Yup. That was my thought. My guess is Stark created it (maybe trying to reproduce the Super Soldier Serum?) realized it was flawed and was determined not to use it, but then the general at Finow decided to use it as a weapon, resulting in Stark punching him when he found out.
Lord Snow |
How many episodes are in this show?
This episode was good.
Action scenes with Dotty were awesome, especially the way she descended the stairs.
This show is starting to feel *way* darker than Agents of Shield. I like it.
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
I'd enjoy a sequel set in the 1950, and then another in the '60s, and so on. It would let us se the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, through the perspective of Peggy Carter.
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So, what do we think we're going to see in the finale?
Peggy fights Dottie: yes.
Dr. Faustus captured: very unlikely.
A conclusion with Peggy's friend Angie: brief, but possible
A conclusion with Howard Stark: necessary
A conclusion with the "Captain America Adventure Program": unlikely, but it would be nice.
Some hint as to whom Carter marries: by Word of God, yes, although I'm not sure how that's going to be squeezed in.
Purple Dragon Knight |
These are the early days of American intelligence... they were probably still learning spy craft from the Canadians around that time...
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |