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Caineach wrote:
Krensky wrote:

The woman in the trailer is Hope Van Dyne, Henry and Janet's daughter, and the plot involves Henry as Ant Man and Janet (presumably as Wasp) having been costumed adventurers under Howard Stark and peggy Carter's SHIELD in the early sixties.

She won't be Inhuman because Skye was the first Inhuman SHIELD learned about, before that all of the people on the index were the result of science or some freak accident.

I assume Pym and Van Dyne were cut out due to the shrinking thing being deemed silly and to avoid the awkward need to explain their history together in the comics following Bob Hall misinterpreting Jim Shooter's script.

They had mutants not called mutants before Inhumans. Season 1 they had the fire guy that got a power boost from Centipede.

Caused by a fire at the decommissioned Wan Tai nuclear power plant he lived near.

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Freehold DM wrote:
no love for eric?

As always, if I don't specifically mention something, that means I hate it with the heat of a thousand exploding hyperboles.

So, since I didn't mention ice cream, or oxygen, or lactose-intolerant southpaws, or wombats, or garden gnomes, or the planet Neptune, or tantric sex rituals, just assume I have no love for any of those things.

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Set wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
no love for eric?

As always, if I don't specifically mention something, that means I hate it with the heat of a thousand exploding hyperboles.

So, since I didn't mention ice cream, or oxygen, or lactose-intolerant southpaws, or wombats, or garden gnomes, or the planet Neptune, or tantric sex rituals, just assume I have no love for any of those things.

I knew it. I knew you hated wombats. It all makes sense now.


Set wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
no love for eric?

As always, if I don't specifically mention something, that means I hate it with the heat of a thousand exploding hyperboles.

So, since I didn't mention ice cream, or oxygen, or lactose-intolerant southpaws, or wombats, or garden gnomes, or the planet Neptune, or tantric sex rituals, just assume I have no love for any of those things.

no, I was actually wondering if you had no love for eric. There are a lot of ant-man fans who took exception to the character, and it was one of the reasons he was put into limbo. It doesn't have to be hate. Just not love.


Meh. All I want from this film is a kickbutt Hope Pym as Wasp. Bonus points for her not in a romance with Lang.

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Freehold DM wrote:
no, I was actually wondering if you had no love for eric. There are a lot of ant-man fans who took exception to the character, and it was one of the reasons he was put into limbo. It doesn't have to be hate. Just not love.

I've never read a comic with Eric in it, so I don't really have love or hate or much of anything for the character, since I don't really know anything about him, other than what I've read on line, which suggests that he's dead at this moment (like that ever lasts...), and died quite heroically.


Set wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
no, I was actually wondering if you had no love for eric. There are a lot of ant-man fans who took exception to the character, and it was one of the reasons he was put into limbo. It doesn't have to be hate. Just not love.
I've never read a comic with Eric in it, so I don't really have love or hate or much of anything for the character, since I don't really know anything about him, other than what I've read on line, which suggests that he's dead at this moment (like that ever lasts...)

Yeah, that's why I said limbo :-)

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, and died quite heroically.

semi heroically, depending on your point of view. A lot of messed up things had happened with and to the character at that point primarily due to the fact that his book had been cancelled.

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"I think our first move should be calling the Avengers."


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Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).

I think you are pretty lonely in the "wasn't excited for a new Avengers movie" category. That hissing figure in the shadowy corner is Frehold DM, by the way. He bites, so keep your distance.

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).

After Age of Ultron, which was super-busy and, IMO, not very 'filling,' (Kind of like a Transformers movie. All big splashy spectacle with no soul.), I'm definitely looking forward to some 'smaller' Marvel movies, like Ant-Man or Dr. Strange or Black Panther.

I was never a big fan of Thanos or the Infinity Stones or Civil War in the comics, so I'm really not all that excited for the next Avengers outings. As for Thor: Ragnarok, eh. The last two Thor movies have been, IMO, lackluster. I'm not sure if Chris Hemsworth can actually act, but now would be a great time to start, if he wants to be something more than 'the guy who keeps taking his shirt off.'

Still, they'll make all the money, since I'm probably the only person in the world that would rather have seen Captain America 3: Serpent Society over Captain America 3: Civil War. :)


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As for Thor: Ragnarok, eh. The last two Thor movies have been, IMO, lackluster. I'm not sure if Chris Hemsworth can actually act, but now would be a great time to start, if he wants to be something more than 'the guy who keeps taking his shirt off.'

I'm really not sure what Hemsworth could have done with the Thor character that he hasn't, insofar as characterization is concerned. He's the God of Thunder, larger than life, broader of expression and deeper of purpose. Hemsworth seems to be expressing that fairly well.

Now if you're referring to his work in other stuff, I can't speak to that, since I've never seen him as anyone other than Thor.

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Jaelithe wrote:
Set wrote:
As for Thor: Ragnarok, eh. The last two Thor movies have been, IMO, lackluster. I'm not sure if Chris Hemsworth can actually act, but now would be a great time to start, if he wants to be something more than 'the guy who keeps taking his shirt off.'

I'm really not sure what Hemsworth could have done with the Thor character that he hasn't, insofar as characterization is concerned. He's the God of Thunder, larger than life, broader of expression and deeper of purpose. Hemsworth seems to be expressing that fairly well.

Now if you're referring to his work in other stuff, I can't speak to that, since I've never seen him as anyone other than Thor.

I've seen him play a good natured jock fairly well in "Cabin in the Woods". Granted, that's just another variation on "guy who keeps taking his shirt off" but the character had nothing to do with Thor, and he pulled it off rather well. The part, I mean, not the shirt. I mean, not that he was bad at pulling a shirt...

You know what I mean.


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).

I admit I am looking forward to a movie that has a relatively small cast of heroes. It's not that I think Age of Ultron is bad, but there were just so many supers involved there was barely room for a plot.

Also...Antman is the first standalone hero earth hero that Marvel has introduced since the first Captain America. How well it does will probably be a decent litmus test for phase 3, which has a huge focus on new characters (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel...)

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MMCJawa wrote:

I admit I am looking forward to a movie that has a relatively small cast of heroes. It's not that I think Age of Ultron is bad, but there were just so many supers involved there was barely room for a plot.

Also...Antman is the first standalone hero earth hero that Marvel has introduced since the first Captain America. How well it does will probably be a decent litmus test for phase 3, which has a huge focus on new characters (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel...).

Total agreement there. The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.

Not that Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy weren't awesome, with larger casts, but Iron Man 1 & 2 and Captain America 1 & 2 were really strong movies for me, and I think my tastes lean more in that direction.

I do kind of wish to see some good use of the Wasp (even if only in flashbacks, and later suggested as a possible future identity for Hope) in this movie. It would be a shame to have the first female Avenger (and the one who named the team!) not have at least a brief MCU cameo.


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Lord Snow wrote:
Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).
I think you are pretty lonely in the "wasn't excited for a new Avengers movie" category. That hissing figure in the shadowy corner is Frehold DM, by the way. He bites, so keep your distance.

dammit count chocula, stop speaking lies! I do NOT bite, nor do I cut the roof of your mouth!

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Set wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

I admit I am looking forward to a movie that has a relatively small cast of heroes. It's not that I think Age of Ultron is bad, but there were just so many supers involved there was barely room for a plot.

Also...Antman is the first standalone hero earth hero that Marvel has introduced since the first Captain America. How well it does will probably be a decent litmus test for phase 3, which has a huge focus on new characters (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel...).

Total agreement there. The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.

Well, Antman is as small as they get :)


Set wrote:
Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).

After Age of Ultron, which was super-busy and, IMO, not very 'filling,' (Kind of like a Transformers movie. All big splashy spectacle with no soul.), I'm definitely looking forward to some 'smaller' Marvel movies, like Ant-Man or Dr. Strange or Black Panther.

I was never a big fan of Thanos or the Infinity Stones or Civil War in the comics, so I'm really not all that excited for the next Avengers outings. As for Thor: Ragnarok, eh. The last two Thor movies have been, IMO, lackluster. I'm not sure if Chris Hemsworth can actually act, but now would be a great time to start, if he wants to be something more than 'the guy who keeps taking his shirt off.'

Still, they'll make all the money, since I'm probably the only person in the world that would rather have seen Captain America 3: Serpent Society over Captain America 3: Civil War. :)

HEY!

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Freehold DM wrote:
Set wrote:
Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more entertaining than Age of Ultron? Because I actually am moderately excited about this one whereas I went to see AoU mostly because the girl wanted to (I would have been perfectly happy waiting for the blu-ray).

After Age of Ultron, which was super-busy and, IMO, not very 'filling,' (Kind of like a Transformers movie. All big splashy spectacle with no soul.), I'm definitely looking forward to some 'smaller' Marvel movies, like Ant-Man or Dr. Strange or Black Panther.

I was never a big fan of Thanos or the Infinity Stones or Civil War in the comics, so I'm really not all that excited for the next Avengers outings. As for Thor: Ragnarok, eh. The last two Thor movies have been, IMO, lackluster. I'm not sure if Chris Hemsworth can actually act, but now would be a great time to start, if he wants to be something more than 'the guy who keeps taking his shirt off.'

Still, they'll make all the money, since I'm probably the only person in the world that would rather have seen Captain America 3: Serpent Society over Captain America 3: Civil War. :)

HEY!

Oh, god.

Freehold DM... I am afraid to ask but I must now... do you...

Spoiler:
Do you like the Transformers movies? *wince in fearful anticipation*


YES I DO

The first one at least, I really liked.

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That probably puts things in perspective for Lord Snow, methinks... ;)

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Freehold DM wrote:

YES I DO

The first one at least, I really liked.

Now it all makes sense :D

You've been so scarred by Transformers that you've developed a defence mechanism. :D

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Set wrote:
I'm probably the only person in the world that would rather have seen Captain America 3: Serpent Society over Captain America 3: Civil War. :)

This is Set, who just jockeying to add the Scalykind Domain to his divine Portfolio.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Also...Antman is the first standalone hero earth hero that Marvel has introduced since the first Captain America. How well it does will probably be a decent litmus test for phase 3, which has a huge focus on new characters (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel...)

[couch][heavy cough]Daredevil[cough]

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Lord Snow wrote:
Set wrote:
The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.
Well, Antman is as small as they get :)

I am trying to see what you did there ... but it's so small.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Also...Antman is the first standalone hero earth hero that Marvel has introduced since the first Captain America. How well it does will probably be a decent litmus test for phase 3, which has a huge focus on new characters (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel...)
[couch][heavy cough]Daredevil[cough]

yes yes Daredevil...however we were speaking in the context of movies.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Set wrote:
The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.
Well, Antman is as small as they get :)
I am trying to see what you did there ... but it's so small.

that's what she said!

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Freehold DM wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Set wrote:
The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.
Well, Antman is as small as they get :)
I am trying to see what you did there ... but it's so small.
that's what she said!

Are you proud of yourself?

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Freehold DM wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Set wrote:
The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.
Well, Antman is as small as they get :)
I am trying to see what you did there ... but it's so small.
that's what she said!

I shan't participate if this thread degenerates into small jokes / puns / wordplay. I'm a bigger man than that.


Set wrote:
I shan't participate if this thread degenerates into small jokes / puns / wordplay. I'm a bigger man than that.

Pfffft!

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Freehold DM wrote:

YES I DO

The first one at least, I really liked.

Well now you've gone and done it. I just lost all faith in humanity. I'm packing and flying away to lifeless Mars tonight. Might be nicer there.

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Besides, how can you like the first transformer and not the following two when they are literally the same movie?


The other two had issues. At least one had personnel issues due to an ill timed (though not unjustified) strike, the other was just bad save for a scene or two I view them individually, not en masse.


Set wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Set wrote:
The one two punch of watching Daredevil and then Age of Ultron, and then going back and watching some other movies again, just reinforced that I prefer the smaller stories.
Well, Antman is as small as they get :)
I am trying to see what you did there ... but it's so small.
that's what she said!

I shan't participate if this thread degenerates into small jokes / puns / wordplay. I'm a bigger man than that.

:D


Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

YES I DO

The first one at least, I really liked.

Well now you've gone and done it. I just lost all faith in humanity. I'm packing and flying away to lifeless Mars tonight. Might be nicer there.

it'll be great. At least until your oxygen runs out. Its why I've invented a device that will produce an hour of oxygen for every two hours you spend watching transformers 3 on this atraced dvd player with mini screen. Just leave it on in the background, I'm sure after a while you won't even notice it's on.


Woo! Just got home from seeing this. Dunno why, but opening nights here are really dead, so we only had maybe a quarter of the cinema (it's actually busier if you wait a few weeks before seeing most films, with the exception of those that have midnight releases).

Anyway. Fantastic. I loved everything about it, except for the removal of one minor line from the trailer that I would have liked to be left there. They got the mix of comedy and action perfect.

Paul Rudd was brilliant, and performances from Evangeline Lilly and Michael Douglas were solid as well. Big fan of Corey Stoll since I saw him in House of Cards, and he didn't disappoint here.

Bonus points for them using The Cure in the soundtrack. To quote Kyle from Southpark: "Disintegration is the best album ever!"


Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

YES I DO

The first one at least, I really liked.

Well now you've gone and done it. I just lost all faith in humanity. I'm packing and flying away to lifeless Mars tonight. Might be nicer there.
it'll be great. At least until your oxygen runs out. Its why I've invented a device that will produce an hour of oxygen for every two hours you spend watching transformers 3 on this atraced dvd player with mini screen. Just leave it on in the background, I'm sure after a while you won't even notice it's on.

A machine that only produces one hour's worth of air every two hours just prolongs their death by asphyxiation. That's cruel.

Making them also watch Bayformers in their last precious moments of life? That's torture. {sips triple espresso of Bayhate}


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

YES I DO

The first one at least, I really liked.

Well now you've gone and done it. I just lost all faith in humanity. I'm packing and flying away to lifeless Mars tonight. Might be nicer there.
it'll be great. At least until your oxygen runs out. Its why I've invented a device that will produce an hour of oxygen for every two hours you spend watching transformers 3 on this atraced dvd player with mini screen. Just leave it on in the background, I'm sure after a while you won't even notice it's on.

A machine that only produces one hour's worth of air every two hours just prolongs their death by asphyxiation. That's cruel.

Making them also watch Bayformers in their last precious moments of life? That's torture. {sips triple espresso of Bayhate}

you're right, I got the numbers backwards, it was supposed to be two hours of oxygen for every one of tf3. For you, I have the prototype- one hour of tf3 equals 1 hour of oxygen. Enjoy!

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Tinkergoth wrote:

Woo! Just got home from seeing this. Dunno why, but opening nights here are really dead, so we only had maybe a quarter of the cinema (it's actually busier if you wait a few weeks before seeing most films, with the exception of those that have midnight releases).

Anyway. Fantastic. I loved everything about it, except for the removal of one minor line from the trailer that I would have liked to be left there. They got the mix of comedy and action perfect.

Paul Rudd was brilliant, and performances from Evangeline Lilly and Michael Douglas were solid as well. Big fan of Corey Stoll since I saw him in House of Cards, and he didn't disappoint here.

Bonus points for them using The Cure in the soundtrack. To quote Kyle from Southpark: "Disintegration is the best album ever!"

What line from the trailer got cut?


It's nothing major, they just removed Scott's reply of "Makes sense" when Hank tells him he wants him to break in somewhere and steal something. Very minor but it was one of my favourite moments in the trailer.


Well, my faith in Marvel is preserved. I was not hopeful for this movie, but I ended up enjoying it. Not my favorite Marvel film, but not my least favorite either. Solid and enjoyable.


Just came back from seeing it...liked it a lot...maybe they could do a good Howard the Duck movie..;)

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This movie had no business being as good as it is. Watched last night with friends and had a blast.

Just like The Winter Soldier, the movie made a very smart choice of blending genres, taking us all the way to action-comedy. For a Marvel movie it had remarkably little explosions and grand action scenes, and instead spent most of its run time with setting up a truly fun atmosphere that made me just want to ignore how stupid everything going on screen was and focus on enjoying the comedy aspects. The continued versatility of this cinematic universe is impressive.

One thing the movie didn't do, though, was convince me that Antman with his shrinking powers isn't mostly useless when compared with other avengers. It seems like the technology would be much better utilized by enlarging stuff, with the shrinking of big stuff being a minor theme to do clever tricks with.

Couple o' continuity spoilers/questions:

Spoiler:
1) When they blow up that building with their explosives, the building sort of collapses into a sphere and disappears. This made me think of those bombs Howard Stark made in Agent Carter. Am I correct about this? Would be kind of cool of I am. Also, it was nice seeing Peggy in that first scene.

2) The recruitment of Antman into the Avengers is interesting in regards to the upcoming Civil War. Going by the second post credit scene, it was done in secret by the Falco, who didn't even tell Captain America, who when he heard about it then decided not to tell Ironman. This feeling of paranoia and cloak-and-dagger is well done. What are these "Accords" they were mentioning? Are they form the comics civil war or something new?
3) Pym said early in the movie that he can no longer use the Antman suit. Why is that? It was never explained.
4) So is the Wasp going to be in Civil War too? That will make for three different types of insects (ant, wasp, spider) in that war. Weird.

Stuff I really liked about the movie:

Spoiler:
1) Hank Pym was a cool character, and I liked his larger than life presence. Also, he did seem to have a superpower independent of his technology - face punching. Seems he is incredibly good at it.
2) Great action-comedy balance. Those parts where that friendly chubby dude was telling his convoluted stories on the house with the safe and later on the Avengers were so incredibly well done and original. The climactic fight scene kept switching back and fourth between awesome combat and self humor. There is also an ant called Anthony.
3) The Avengers - Not only were the avengers worked in really nicely into the movie, with the fight between Antman and Falcon being a highlight of the entire story - but the set up to Civil War seems very well crafted - the paranoia, the plotting. All done subtly in the film and less subtly in the post credits, but still, continuity was a nice bonus in this movie.

Stuff I disliked:

Spoiler:
1) Really, 95% of what was happening on the screen was stupid even by superhero standards.
2) I guess this had to be an origins story, and they also mitigated this factor by having the original Antman around which inserts a mentor into the equation and makes it feel somewhat different than most of the zero-to-hero stuff we've grown used to - but it was still an origins story. I would have preferred another type of story altogether.

Was really fun. Made me even more excited for the rest of Phase Three (or does this still count as Phase 2?)


Hmm, I haven't seen the movie, but now considering watching it since people seem to indicate it's pretty good.

in regards to his usefulness...if I recall...Antman also was Giantman as well. The suit eventually (or is it suits) allows him to become very large.

Also, I believe in the comics, antman also has control over insects...as I haven't seen the movie I have no idea if this is also conveyed in it.

That type of control can be extremely powerful in resolving things...at least at times.


This trailer made me feel...antsy.

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GreyWolfLord wrote:

Hmm, I haven't seen the movie, but now considering watching it since people seem to indicate it's pretty good.

in regards to his usefulness...if I recall...Antman also was Giantman as well. The suit eventually (or is it suits) allows him to become very large.

Also, I believe in the comics, antman also has control over insects...as I haven't seen the movie I have no idea if this is also conveyed in it.

That type of control can be extremely powerful in resolving things...at least at times.

He does have control over ants, but they are more a shtick than anything, never really accomplishing anything truly impressive. A flying ant mount allows him some air mobility I suppose, but once he joins the Avengers, Stark can just give him some of that flying technology and solve that problem.

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He does have control over ants, but they are more a shtick than anything, never really accomplishing anything truly impressive. A flying ant mount allows him some air mobility I suppose, but once he joins the Avengers, Stark can just give him some of that flying technology and solve that problem.

In addition to being able to eventually grow sixty feet tall (which, thanks to the cube-square law, would require his bones, muscles, skin, etc. be 1000x stronger and tougher than human flesh and bone), if Marvel ever wanted to give an Ant-Man/Giant-Man a real 'holy crap!' moment, they could just have him summon up 10,000 ants and use his Pym particles to enlarge them to the size of school buses (preferably without the sound effects from Them!) and order them to devour an entire alien invasion force, while the rest of the Avengers stand around looking vaguely nauseous.

He's never been 'weak,' even if he's never been quite as much of a show-off as Thor, Iron Man or the Hulk.


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Lord Snow wrote:
He does have control over ants, but they are more a shtick than anything, never really accomplishing anything truly impressive. A flying ant mount allows him some air mobility I suppose, but once he joins the Avengers, Stark can just give him some of that flying technology and solve that problem.

In addition to being able to eventually grow sixty feet tall (which, thanks to the cube-square law, would require his bones, muscles, skin, etc. be 1000x stronger and tougher than human flesh and bone), if Marvel ever wanted to give an Ant-Man/Giant-Man a real 'holy crap!' moment, they could just have him summon up 10,000 ants and use his Pym particles to enlarge them to the size of school buses (preferably without the sound effects from Them!) and order them to devour an entire alien invasion force, while the rest of the Avengers stand around looking vaguely nauseous.

He's never been 'weak,' even if he's never been quite as much of a show-off as Thor, Iron Man or the Hulk.

Agreed. I think a lot of characters (not just superheroes) get short shrift, just because the particular writer at the time doesn't have the imagination that Skill A + Power B + Knowledge C = "BOW BEFORE ME, PUNY MORTAL!!!!"

(Well, "hey, look at this really cool thing I just realized I could do", at any rate...)

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Agreed. I think a lot of characters (not just superheroes) get short shrift, just because the particular writer at the time doesn't have the imagination that Skill A + Power B + Knowledge C = "BOW BEFORE ME, PUNY MORTAL!!!!"

(Well, "hey, look at this really cool thing I just realized I could do", at any rate...)

A pet peeve of mine with super-heroes in general is that attempts to 'make them cool' so often seem to involve giving them spanking new powers, instead of intelligently using the powers / abilities they already have. It ends up making them seem *less* heroic and inspiring, as they aren't really winning through cleverness or perseverance, they just get a free power-up from the power-up fairy. The resulting 'win' feels unearned.

Fish control, shrinking, making things change color, whatever. It's still one more super-power than Batman has. And nobody tells him that he needs a power-up. :)

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Set wrote:
Doki-Chan wrote:

Agreed. I think a lot of characters (not just superheroes) get short shrift, just because the particular writer at the time doesn't have the imagination that Skill A + Power B + Knowledge C = "BOW BEFORE ME, PUNY MORTAL!!!!"

(Well, "hey, look at this really cool thing I just realized I could do", at any rate...)

A pet peeve of mine with super-heroes in general is that attempts to 'make them cool' so often seem to involve giving them spanking new powers, instead of intelligently using the powers / abilities they already have. It ends up making them seem *less* heroic and inspiring, as they aren't really winning through cleverness or perseverance, they just get a free power-up from the power-up fairy. The resulting 'win' feels unearned.

Fish control, shrinking, making things change color, whatever. It's still one more super-power than Batman has. And nobody tells him that he needs a power-up. :)

Oh gods no. If any superhero actually ever used their powers intelligently there wouldn't be a heroic story to tell - they are equipped with so much overpowered stuff.

The entire genre of movie superheroes relies on nothing being well thought out - including powers.

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He's never been 'weak,' even if he's never been quite as much of a show-off as Thor, Iron Man or the Hulk.

I dunno. Ironman and Thor both went toe-to-toe with the Hulk. Antman is literally not capable of even making the Hulk notice he's there, right?

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