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While I cannot see the above as a valid (GM Approved) method of gaining unlimited wishes.
The easiest way is probably to simply be a wizard and cast it yourself, assuming you're a diamond hoarder.
(Good luck finding a CR16-ish Efreet that goes along with this though.)
Craft an item that can cast wish once per day, activated by a command word.
The spell level times the CL time 1,800 divided by 5 works out to 55,080 gold pieces market value. It would cost 27,540 gp to make.
An item that can cast wish unlimited times per day, command word activation, is 275,400 gp, or 137,700 gp to craft.
You can make crafting a lot cheaper with this build. Magic Capital can be gotten at a rate of 3/day using Ravingdork's build, and one capital can be used for 100 gp worth of crafting cost. Therefore, it would take 1,377 magic capital to craft the unlimited wishing item, which would take 459 days to accrue. You would then need to spend 138 days crafting the item, for a total of 597 days, or about 20 months. He would have to spend 1/8th of the item's market price, or 34,425 gp.
The DC is equal to 5+CL, plus 5 for each missing requirement other than a feat. A character would lack the necessary CL and spell to make it, making the DC 32 to craft this item. Doable.
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Nothing in Simulacrum states that you have to find or even see the creature that you are making the simulacrum of.(Good luck finding a CR16-ish Efreet that goes along with this though.)
The effect is "duplicating" a creature, so it DOES matter if it exists in the game world, so a GM would need to rule on that.
I suppose if you are ignoring the RAW of a normal Efreet's HD you COULD do whatever you want. This would not be RAW though would it?
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Craft an item that can cast wish once per day, activated by a command word.
The spell level times the CL time 1,800 divided by 5 works out to 55,080 gold pieces market value. It would cost 27,540 gp to make.
An item that can cast wish unlimited times per day, command word activation, is 275,400 gp, or 137,700 gp to craft.
You can make crafting a lot cheaper with this build. Magic Capital can be gotten at a rate of 3/day using Ravingdork's build, and one capital can be used for 100 gp worth of crafting cost. Therefore, it would take 1,377 magic capital to craft the unlimited wishing item, which would take 459 days to accrue. You would then need to spend 138 days crafting the item, for a total of 597 days, or about 20 months. He would have to spend 1/8th of the item's market price, or 34,425 gp.
The DC is equal to 5+CL, plus 5 for each missing requirement other than a feat. A character would lack the necessary CL and spell to make it, making the DC 32 to craft this item. Doable.
RAW says:
"The correct way to price an item is by comparing its abilities to similar items (see Magic Item Gold Piece Values), and only if there are no similar items should you use the pricing formulas to determine an approximate price for the item. "By RAW, and that blurb, I wouldn't let anyone make a cheaper wish item than what's already established in game with Ring of Three Wishes.
That's a 3 time and done item that costs 97,500 craft price.
I'm aware of the RAW, Winterwalker. Do you have any similar items in mind?
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Craft an item that can cast wish once per day, activated by a command word.
The spell level times the CL time 1,800 divided by 5 works out to 55,080 gold pieces market value. It would cost 27,540 gp to make.
An item that can cast wish unlimited times per day, command word activation, is 275,400 gp, or 137,700 gp to craft.
You can make crafting a lot cheaper with this build. Magic Capital can be gotten at a rate of 3/day using Ravingdork's build, and one capital can be used for 100 gp worth of crafting cost. Therefore, it would take 1,377 magic capital to craft the unlimited wishing item, which would take 459 days to accrue. You would then need to spend 138 days crafting the item, for a total of 597 days, or about 20 months. He would have to spend 1/8th of the item's market price, or 34,425 gp.
The DC is equal to 5+CL, plus 5 for each missing requirement other than a feat. A character would lack the necessary CL and spell to make it, making the DC 32 to craft this item. Doable.
Your math seems low, did you include the material cost in this?
You also would have to tack on an additional 2,500,000 gp for the 100 times material component requirement of an at will item I believe.
Your math seems low, did you include the material cost in this?
If we're going so far as to cheese up an infinite-wish item, I'm safely assuming that a quick plane shift to the Plane of Earth or planar binding for an earth elemental or shaitan takes care of the diamond issue.
You also would have to tack on an additional 2,500,000 gp for the 100 times material component requirement of an at will item I believe.Craft an item that can cast wish once per day, activated by a command word.
The spell level times the CL time 1,800 divided by 5 works out to 55,080 gold pieces market value. It would cost 27,540 gp to make.
An item that can cast wish unlimited times per day, command word activation, is 275,400 gp, or 137,700 gp to craft.
You can make crafting a lot cheaper with this build. Magic Capital can be gotten at a rate of 3/day using Ravingdork's build, and one capital can be used for 100 gp worth of crafting cost. Therefore, it would take 1,377 magic capital to craft the unlimited wishing item, which would take 459 days to accrue. You would then need to spend 138 days crafting the item, for a total of 597 days, or about 20 months. He would have to spend 1/8th of the item's market price, or 34,425 gp.
The DC is equal to 5+CL, plus 5 for each missing requirement other than a feat. A character would lack the necessary CL and spell to make it, making the DC 32 to craft this item. Doable.
Since its per day, rather than continuous/unlimited, it's only material costs equal to 50 castings, so 1,250,000 in irreducible costs, plus 27,540 to craft.
Woohoo. Not many people I know of will fork out 1,277,540 gp to craft an item usable once per day. Even for a wish.
Edit: oops, completely skimmed over the unlimited version, which does have the 2,500,000 irreducible cost.
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You also would have to tack on an additional 2,500,000 gp for the 100 times material component requirement of an at will item I believe.
If we're going so far as to cheese up an infinite-wish item, I'm safely assuming that a quick plane shift to the Plane of Earth or planar binding for an earth elemental or shaitan takes care of the diamond issue.
Your math seems low, did you include the material cost in this?
I'm just not sure your math was correct, not the methods to pay for it.
How many ways are there to get infinite wishes in Pathfinder? I've thougth of one (Simulacrum of an Efreet of double normal hit dice. Use one of the wishes to cast simulacrum of the same Efreet and you have two others to do as you please with.).
Are there other ways? (I'm only interested in stuff from the PRD. Third party, and AP's, etc...Not interested in).
There is a concept know as "wish binding" if I am titling it correctly. Basically you use the planar binding spells to call the creature, and then you use dominate monster on it.
With that said, just because the rules allow you to do something that does not mean the GM will allow it, and this is one of those things that you should talk to the GM about first. He might just say no, or he might set you up, and then have bad things happen to your character, if he is against the idea.
edit:Since this is a thought exercise feel free to ignore my comments about a GM not liking it.
Arcane sorcerer with craft(jeweler) and fabricate, use all WBL to buy diamonds cast fabricate to tripple the value of the dust. Craft a staff that Can cast wish with all the dust and use the level 20 power to convert your spells to wishes:) it is not my idea i read it here somewere.
My GM told me about the Candle Trick, not sure if that was ever fixed but that was how he got Infinite Wishes once.
What is the candle trick?
The item is a Candle of Invocation.
It allows the user to cast gate(the spell), and call an outsider whose alignment matches the user. Since gate gives you full control over the outsider you can then have the outsider cast Wish for you.The candle is a whopping 8400 gp.
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Still, with granted wishes, you need to have the critter completely on your side...Efreet are unlikely to be that..If you succeed in bargaining it does what it's paid to do. That's part of the spell effect. After that it returns to where it came from.
My GM told me about the Candle Trick, not sure if that was ever fixed but that was how he got Infinite Wishes once.It wasn't but it has more steps now.
That still doesn't answer why the simulacrum can't simply be of a wish demon.
It was answered in this thread earlier, mainly by RAW the spell doesn't specifically say the copies get the SLA's of the target.
Seeing as most of these wish grants are SLA's the RAW doesn't support it.
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you know what infinite wishes will get you ?
An empty table that used to be filled with people you role played with ;)
Blood Money and a high enough Str score via Polymorph spells and whatnot.
I skipped to the bottom, because the answer to your question however it is posed is simply this:
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I skipped to the bottom, because the answer to your question however it is posed is simply this:
A fine houserule.
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How many ways are there to get infinite wishes in Pathfinder? I've thougth of one (Simulacrum of an Efreet of double normal hit dice. Use one of the wishes to cast simulacrum of the same Efreet and you have two others to do as you please with.).
Are there other ways? (I'm only interested in stuff from the PRD. Third party, and AP's, etc...Not interested in).
Here's the easiest way I can think of, and it is perfectly achievable by any given 1st level Human Commoner.
Hold out your hand until a Ring of Three Wishes appears. Immediately put on the Ring. And then say:
"I wish this ring had appeared in my hand a few seconds ago."*
There you go. You now have two wishes remaining and all it cost was next to no effort on your part and the merciless violation of causality. Spend a wish on a Bag of Holding and take an hour or so, and you can quickly gather a large collection of such rings.
*The best part is, the wish cannot possibly be misconstrued because it already wasn't.
Craft a staff of wish. (I believe Ravingdork coined the term "staff of wishful thinking".)
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Be a GM.