What are tables of credit?


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Grand Lodge 2/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Spain—Tarragona

In my account says I've 6 of them, but I've no idea what it's their utility.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

You get 1 table of credit for each scenario you GM, and two for each module/AP chapter; they contribute to your GM stars: 10 tables for the first star, 30 tables for two, etc. See page 38 of the Guide to PFS Org Play for full information.

GM stars give you a bonus on t-shirt/folio rerolls, and let you replay a small number of scenarios, among other things.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Paz pretty much covered it.

See the little purple stars in front of our forum names? You'll eventually get your own after you GM a few more games.

1 star = 10+ games GMed
2 stars = 30+ games GMed
3 stars = 60+ games GMed
4 stars = 100+ games GMed
5 stars = 150+ games GMed (including 10 specials)

It's one way to quickly tell who has what level of experience GMing games.

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Nefreet wrote:

1 star = 10+ games GMed

2 stars = 30+ games GMed
3 stars = 60+ games GMed
4 stars = 100+ games GMed
5 stars = 150+ games GMed (including 10 specials, 50 different scenarios, and run in front of of a VO or Paizo representative to show your knowledge of the rules)

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Ah. I didn't know about the 50 different scenarios requirement.

The VO/Paizo Rep requirement was done away with, though.

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

Is that what those things are? Darn, I thought I was getting a discount on gaming furniture.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Nefreet wrote:

Ah. I didn't know about the 50 different scenarios requirement.

The VO/Paizo Rep requirement was done away with, though.

You sure about that? I was playing at someone's 150th table credit, fairly recently, and we had one of the VOs auditing the table for 5 star qualification...

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Seattle aka The Great Rinaldo!

I believe observation is still done. What was removed was a maintenance requirement that used to be required to keep your fifth star.

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Won't post the whole thing here, but here's the highlights from the Guide.

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, p. 38 wrote:

First, [you] must have run a total of 150 [tables], including at least 50 different adventures and 10 or more Specials or Exclusive events.

Second, you must work with your Venture-Captain to arrange to run a Pathfinder Society session in the presence of a Paizo staff member, a Venture-Captain, or a Venture-Lieutenant.

Finally, at the recommendation of the Paizo representative, you may be granted a 5th star[...]

So yes, you still need a Paizo rep or VO to sign off on you. I think the hardest requirement that I personally will face is getting the 10 specials. I just hit 100 and I already have 2 specials. The downside is the end-of-season specials are few and far between and I don't see many opportunities to run the 4-star specials locally, especially since I believe right now it's Bonekeep lvl 1, which damn near everyone has already played.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Same here.

162 tables of credit, but only 5 specials.

And I think 3 of those are Bonekeep. 1 is Siege of the Diamond City. The 5th is Legacy of the Stonelords.

I was told by a higher up that the review process was no longer being enforced, mostly because of the awkwardness of having to tell someone "no", after they've volunteered hundreds or thousands of hours of their time.

It may still be in print, for face value, but it's no longer a thing.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Nefreet wrote:

Same here.

162 tables of credit, but only 5 specials.

And I think 3 of those are Bonekeep. 1 is Siege of the Diamond City. The 5th is Legacy of the Stonelords.

I was told by a higher up that the review process was no longer being enforced, mostly because of the awkwardness of having to tell someone "no", after they've volunteered hundreds or thousands of hours of their time.

It may still be in print, for face value, but it's no longer a thing.

Both the VC of my area and WV's new VC just had to run a table under review by another VO/Paizo representative to get their 5th stars.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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*shrug*

Perhaps it's just devolved to a regional thing, then.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Nefreet wrote:

*shrug*

Perhaps it's just devolved to a regional thing, then.

I'd guess it's less of a regional thing and more of merely a formality, rather than any real evaluation at this point.

Grand Lodge 2/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Spain—Tarragona

Being organizer of an event doesn't deserves any tablet?

The Exchange 5/5

Jeff Merola wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

*shrug*

Perhaps it's just devolved to a regional thing, then.

I'd guess it's less of a regional thing and more of merely a formality, rather than any real evaluation at this point.

with 150 games run, I would hope you've run a few for your VC or VL... otherwise they are not playing enough games!

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

nosig wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

*shrug*

Perhaps it's just devolved to a regional thing, then.

I'd guess it's less of a regional thing and more of merely a formality, rather than any real evaluation at this point.
with 150 games run, I would hope you've run a few for your VC or VL... otherwise they are not playing enough games!

Depends on the area. Even with the proliferation of VOs, there are plenty of areas where the nearest VO is hours away.

Or, like my area, we have to check the Paizo list to know who our current VOs are.

Las Vegas:
Previous VCs:
Run for Issak? Yes.
Run for Chris? Yes.
Run for Doug? I don't recall.
Current VC:
Run for Ethan? Before he became a local VO, back when he first started playing PFS, not since he became a VL or VC.

Old VLs:
Run for Ethan? See above, under VCs.
Run for Adam? I think so, but it was not one of my better games, since I was running 4-07 Severing Ties for the first time, three weeks after preparing it, so...
Run for Duke? Don't think so.
Run for Chris? See above under VCs.

Current VL:
None, at present.
Sparks & Cold Springs are both by Reno, about 400-500 miles from Las Vegas.

And, on looking, it appears we are down to just a VC at present, who is in a different part of town from where I live and usually run, and usually runs the same day I do at a different location.

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I got reviewed for my 5th star, and we had a brief conversation afterwards about gming style and choices which was nice to have - I plan on having a similar conversation with anyone who I review for their 5th star. While I'm not sure I would turn anyone away, I would hope the conversation was useful and would help turn GMs who haven't thought critically about their GMing before to start doing so.

(Then again, I love talking about GMing styles, as anyone who has shared a hotel room with me at a convention knows!)

Sovereign Court 5/5 5/5 RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32 aka Netopalis

James McTeague wrote:

I got reviewed for my 5th star, and we had a brief conversation afterwards about gming style and choices which was nice to have - I plan on having a similar conversation with anyone who I review for their 5th star. While I'm not sure I would turn anyone away, I would hope the conversation was useful and would help turn GMs who haven't thought critically about their GMing before to start doing so.

(Then again, I love talking about GMing styles, as anyone who has shared a hotel room with me at a convention knows!)

I can attest both to James' love for discussing GM styles and to the fact that I recently was reviewed by my former VC in order to get my 5th star. I wouldn't necessarily call it a formality. There's generally a frank discussion of GM skills and where one can improve. The reason that they are generally approved is fairly obvious - by the time that you've GMmed enough to get your 5th star, you've probably learned a thing or two about being a GM. Additionally, the Specials requirement means that you have to be good enough to keep getting invited back to conventions. As such, it's hardly a shock that the vast majority of 5th star applicants are approved.

Scarab Sages 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

Roger Corbera wrote:
Being organizer of an event doesn't deserves any tablet?

No being an event organizer does not gain you any GM Table credits. They are two very different things.

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

Russ Brown wrote:
Roger Corbera wrote:
Being organizer of an event doesn't deserves any tablet?
No being an event organizer does not gain you any GM Table credits. They are two very different things.

Correct. One gets rewarded. The other does not.

Grand Lodge 2/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Spain—Tarragona

trollbill wrote:
Russ Brown wrote:
Roger Corbera wrote:
Being organizer of an event doesn't deserves any tablet?
No being an event organizer does not gain you any GM Table credits. They are two very different things.
Correct. One gets rewarded. The other does not.

Well, I think that's not fair. Organization involves times and effort.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

How would you propose quantifying this "time and effort"?

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

Nefreet wrote:
How would you propose quantifying this "time and effort"?

By successfully reported games, possibly based on number of reported tables or number of sessions.

4/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Minnesota—St. Louis Park aka BretI

trollbill wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
How would you propose quantifying this "time and effort"?
By successfully reported games, possibly based on number of reported tables or number of sessions.

With no more than a week between the time that the event occurred and the time it was reported. You shouldn't get credit if an event goes unreported for 3 or more months.

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

BretI wrote:
trollbill wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
How would you propose quantifying this "time and effort"?
By successfully reported games, possibly based on number of reported tables or number of sessions.
With no more than a week between the time that the event occurred and the time it was reported. You shouldn't get credit if an event goes unreported for 3 or more months.

Give it 2 weeks. Large Cons can be nearly impossible to report in a single week.

Shadow Lodge

Some GMs don't do any of the organizing but report their own games. Do they get extra credit?

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

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Conman the Bardbarian wrote:
Some GMs don't do any of the organizing but report their own games. Do they get extra credit?

Most organizers also GM. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get separate credit for both. Note: I am not saying the organizers should get GM table credits for organizing, or be given the same rewards as GMs. Just that they should be rewarded for organizing, just like GMs are rewarded for GMing.

Scarab Sages 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

My point was that organizing and GMing are very different skill sets. I have been doing both for about 4 years for PFS.

I am not opposed to some kind of recognition for organizers, but I don't think it should be as GM table credit.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

trollbill wrote:
Conman the Bardbarian wrote:
Some GMs don't do any of the organizing but report their own games. Do they get extra credit?
Most organizers also GM. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get separate credit for both. Note: I am not saying the organizers should get GM table credits for organizing, or be given the same rewards as GMs. Just that they should be rewarded for organizing, just like GMs are rewarded for GMing.

You actually have several possible situations:

Organizer is a GM, so he organizes, GMs, and reports.
Organizer is a GM, he organizes, GMs, and only reports his own tables.
Organizer is not a GM, he organizes and reports.
Organizer is not a GM, he organizes.
GM is not an organizer, but he reports his own tables.
GM is not an organizer, but he reports all the tables for everyone.

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

kinevon wrote:
trollbill wrote:
Conman the Bardbarian wrote:
Some GMs don't do any of the organizing but report their own games. Do they get extra credit?
Most organizers also GM. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get separate credit for both. Note: I am not saying the organizers should get GM table credits for organizing, or be given the same rewards as GMs. Just that they should be rewarded for organizing, just like GMs are rewarded for GMing.

You actually have several possible situations:

Organizer is a GM, so he organizes, GMs, and reports.
Organizer is a GM, he organizes, GMs, and only reports his own tables.
Organizer is not a GM, he organizes and reports.
Organizer is not a GM, he organizes.
GM is not an organizer, but he reports his own tables.
GM is not an organizer, but he reports all the tables for everyone.

While there are a number of possibilities, I can't think of a single organizer in the central Florida area I am familiar with that doesn't fall into the first category you mentioned. Maybe other areas break down differently, but that's the way they are here.

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Florida—Melbourne aka trollbill

Russ Brown wrote:

My point was that organizing and GMing are very different skill sets. I have been doing both for about 4 years for PFS.

I am not opposed to some kind of recognition for organizers, but I don't think it should be as GM table credit.

Agreed. They should be awarded differently.

5/5

Darn, and here I thought I almost had enough credit at wal-mart for that deluxe gaming table...

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

O.o

Wal-Mart has a deluxe gaming table?

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Nefreet wrote:

O.o

Wal-Mart has a deluxe gaming table?

Couldn't find it at walmart....and nearly died of a heart attack at the price tag of THIS table.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 Venture-Captain, Netherlands aka Woran

Tamec wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

O.o

Wal-Mart has a deluxe gaming table?

Couldn't find it at walmart....and nearly died of a heart attack at the price tag of THIS table.

That table is amazing. I want one. Sadly they dont ship to europe :(

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