Hobbit 3: The Battle of 55 Armies


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....not a typo.....;-)

Spectacular, Big, Epic, and quite dark in places

Spoiler:

White Council versus the necromancer and the 9 is awesome
Overall bit too much Legolas....all the other elves were spot on
Lots of good stuff from the lesser part characters


There's always too much Legolas.


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Yeah, he wasn't as good in the films as he was in the book.

Shadow Lodge

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Sissyl wrote:
Yeah, he wasn't as good in the films as he was in the book.

That's saying something, given that he wasn't in the book.


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Don't get me wrong, I liked the character in the Rings movies. But I just didn't see a need for him in this trilogy.


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Given how his father is the king of the Mirkwood elves, it entirely makes sense he would be around..but yes, as a minor supporting role, not the over exposure he is getting.


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Kthulhu wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Yeah, he wasn't as good in the films as he was in the book.
That's saying something, given that he wasn't in the book.

You don't say...


Although I am slightly interested in

Spoiler:
his mum's backstory now and his non action scenes weren't too bad


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Jackson can probably eke out another trilogy from the story of how Legolas loses weight between the events of THE HOBBIT and LotR.

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I'm pretty sure Jackson will try to ride the Tolkien train through a dozen Silmarilion movies or so.


Well it does end with

Spoiler:
thranduil suggesting that legolas seek out a young ranger named strider.......so a rise of the ranger tv series may work!!

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Christopher Tolkein is not thrilled with the films and is holding on to the rights to Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and his own Children of Hurin.

It's a shame Del Toro walked on this; it's a shame they turned one film into three.


Hobbit3 is best of the bunch so go see it


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Kthulhu wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jackson will try to ride the Tolkien train through a dozen Silmarilion movies or so.

I certainly hope so........

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thenovalord wrote:
Hobbit3 is best of the bunch so go see it

Are you saying you've seen it? I thought it comes out this coming week ...


Yep
Out in uk last week

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Mulgar wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jackson will try to ride the Tolkien train through a dozen Silmarilion movies or so.
I certainly hope so........

Nope. Tolkien enterprises will not part with the rights to Silmarillion. The only reason LOTR and Hobbit films were made was because Tolkien already sold the movie rights.


Parts of Silmarillion may make good tv series. Focus on relationships etc.


I detested the first movie and everything I've seen and heard of the other two has not convinced me they get better.
Jackson should never have been given leave to make these movies and should be barred from doing anything in other people's creations from now on.

I wanted the Hobbit, not PJ's fanfic rewrite.


thenovalord wrote:
Well it does end with ** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
You mean the one whose only like, ten years old at the time of the Quest for Erebor? In fact, he was known as this point as Estel and not as Strider or even Aragorn.

Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Well it does end with ** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **

But would have sounded highly suspect!!


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Werthead wrote:
Jackson can probably eke out another trilogy from the story of how Legolas loses weight between the events of THE HOBBIT and LotR.

He could probably also do a movie (or a trilogy!) on the wacky adventures that Bilbo and Gandalf clearly gets up to on their trip back to the Shire.

As for the actual movie. That was, uhm, certainly a lot of fighting. Bard is pretty cool. Legolas is as lame as ever.

Spoiler:
I was kinda disappointed how Tauriel's main purpose was apparently "be plot device for Legolas antics". I'd have liked her to do just one thing that Legolas didn't swoop in and take over (other than cry over Kili which is, like, the one scene she gets where Legolas doesn't come in and go "move over, I got this.")

If only Kili had fallen in love with Legolas instead of Tauriel, he'd still be alive!


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Marc Radle wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Hobbit3 is best of the bunch so go see it
Are you saying you've seen it? I thought it comes out this coming week ...

Also there have been screenings here in NYC over the past 2 weeks or so. I've just barely missed getting into a few due to scheduling conflicts so I'll be seeing it with the rank and file this week...


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Kthulhu wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Yeah, he wasn't as good in the films as he was in the book.
That's saying something, given that he wasn't in the book.

No Legolas was there.

He was one of the many tittering elves having the Tea Lights party that the dwarves kept trying to crash.


Quark Blast wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Yeah, he wasn't as good in the films as he was in the book.
That's saying something, given that he wasn't in the book.

No Legolas was there.

He was one of the many tittering elves having the Tea Lights party that the dwarves kept trying to crash.

It would have been awesome (and required a different director and a completely different approach) to have Legolas (same actor and all) appear as an unnamed cameo in those scenes and nowhere else.


thenovalord wrote:
Parts of Silmarillion may make good tv series. Focus on relationships etc.

C'mon HBO!


Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Well it does end with ** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler You mean the one whose only like, ten years old at the time of the Quest for Erebor? ... **

A more committed Tolkien geek can correct me but Aragorn would've been in his early twenties circa Bilbo and Smaug. And too young or not he was still the Heir of Elendil and that would've not been unknown to one such as Thranduil.


Quark Blast wrote:
Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Well it does end with ** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler You mean the one whose only like, ten years old at the time of the Quest for Erebor? ... **
A more committed Tolkien geek can correct me but Aragorn would've been in his early twenties circa Bilbo and Smaug. And too young or not he was still the Heir of Elendil and that would've not been unknown to one such as Thranduil.

Jackson's timeline is already known not to match Tolkien's.

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Quark Blast wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Parts of Silmarillion may make good tv series. Focus on relationships etc.
C'mon HBO!

Not happening.


Hama wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Parts of Silmarillion may make good tv series. Focus on relationships etc.
C'mon HBO!
Not happening.

Aww... :(

Hangs head. Walks away.


Hama wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Parts of Silmarillion may make good tv series. Focus on relationships etc.
C'mon HBO!
Not happening.

..until the money is right.


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For Christopher Tolkien...never going to happen.

What they could do is make a movie or series off the appendixes...if they so desired.


I saw it yesterday, my local Theater was showing the trilogy, so that was the only way to see it before Wed. I thougth it was very good. The battle scenes were awesome, especially the Dwarves, and the designers always seems to come up with interesting ideas for the big creatures (Ogres and such, don't want to give anything away). Plus Dain ws great.


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lorenlord wrote:
I saw it yesterday, my local Theater was showing the trilogy, so that was the only way to see it before Wed. I thought it was very good. The battle scenes were awesome, especially the Dwarves, and the designers always seems to come up with interesting ideas for the big creatures (Ogres and such, don't want to give anything away). Plus Dain was great.

I just read a review where the reviewer was whining that Bilbo was not in the movie enough. Did this person not ever read the book and thus not know that Bilbo was unconscious and invisible for most of the battle? lol

I will see it anyway, but please tell me that Jackson did not change this and that he did not keep anyone alive who died in the book.


I thoroughly enjoyed it. The battles were great, the CGI wasn't as over-the top as the last couple, the characterization of Thorin and his descent into madness is great, and there's enough Simarillion sprinkled in to keep me happy. Yeah, Legolas is a total jerk who gets to use "Matrix" rules at two points in the movie, but otherwise the action seemed a bit more 'believable' than the last two movies. Oh, and the ending doesn't go on for 45 minutes; I had hardly noticed that 3 hours had gone by.

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I am going to see it today in IMAX and can't wait.

I have not read under the spoilers above, I am keen in seeing if they stay true enough to the books and certain Dwarves die in the end, something that would shock casual movie goers.

I have noticed since the first Hobbit movie that Gandalf's staff from the Lord of the Rings movies is Radagast's in this set of movies, I hope they don't kill off Radagast to make that some part of this epic because that certainly does not happen in the book.

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I'm seeing it in HFR 3D today. Can't wait!

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Quark Blast wrote:
Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
Well it does end with ** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler You mean the one whose only like, ten years old at the time of the Quest for Erebor? ... **
A more committed Tolkien geek can correct me but Aragorn would've been in his early twenties circa Bilbo and Smaug. And too young or not he was still the Heir of Elendil and that would've not been unknown to one such as Thranduil.

Spoiler:
As shown in An Unexpected Jouney, The Hobbit occurs 60 years before The Lord of the Rings.

In the extended version of Two Towers, Aragorn says he is 85 years old.
That would make him 25 at the time of The Hobbit.
He could already have the nickname Strider.

Rakshaka wrote:

I had hardly noticed that 3 hours had gone by.

The previews started at 7:00. The credits started at 9:30. Figure 10-15 minutes for the previews, the actual movie was about 2 hours 15-20 minutes.

This makes it the shortes of all Jackson's Tolkien movies.

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Which they got wrong. He was 86 at the time :D


Well, I might go see it, might not. I've been disappointed by the first two movies, mainly in the way Thorin's character has been altered from greedy, grumpy, old dwarf looking to make a quick fortune, to young, dynamic anti-hero.

At this point, the denouement of the story, Thorin's realization that he was wrong all along, will seem completely out of place after spending so much time showing him so desperately wanting to reclaim his people's rightful place.


Werthead wrote:
Jackson can probably eke out another trilogy from the story of how Legolas loses weight between the events of THE HOBBIT and LotR.

I figured this was the inspiration to stop lazing around as a spoiled princeling and DO something!


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Going tonight. My expectations are tepid overall, but any well-crafted fantasy movie gets my money thrown at it. :)


Terquem wrote:

Well, I might go see it, might not. I've been disappointed by the first two movies, mainly in the way Thorin's character has been altered from greedy, grumpy, old dwarf looking to make a quick fortune, to young, dynamic anti-hero.

At this point, the denouement of the story, Thorin's realization that he was wrong all along, will seem completely out of place after spending so much time showing him so desperately wanting to reclaim his people's rightful place.

I thought in the third one they did a very good job portraying the gold 'poisoning' Thorin. it was excellent overall. I was definitely not disappointed.


bugleyman wrote:
but any well-crafted fantasy movie gets my money thrown at it. :)

Yes, I definitely agree with that.

I hope they show the same previews when you go, as all the movies looked good.


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lorenlord wrote:


I thought in the third one they did a very good job portraying the gold 'poisoning' Thorin. it was excellent overall. I was definitely not disappointed.

If you have ever played the The One Ring rpg this is what treasure (dragon sickness) does to characters


That's a cope out, and again, undermines the transformation of Thorin at the end of the book. Thorin was always greedy, never really interested in reclaiming the "kingdom"

only the treasure. it is mentioned, over and over again, how he expects Bilbo, as the burglar, to simply remove all the treasure from under the dragon's nose.


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Having seen all the Middle Earth movies now, I think I've settled on the view that Jackson developed a bit of George-Lucas-itis with his prequels too.

The action scenes and set-pieces get rather gonzo at points, going so far as to sometimes seem more appropriate for a Pirates of the Carribean film rather than Tolkien's Middle Earth. There were missteps with the pacing and comedic timing, and I think of all the dwarves in Thorin's company only 6 had lines. If the others got to speak on screen, it couldn't have been for much more than a singular line.

That being said, this movie is probably my favorite of the three Hobbit films and what it does well it does very well. The portrayal of Thorin and his corruption by greed is extremely well done, Lee Pace's every word as Thranduil is like spun gold, and Martin Freeman's portrayal of Bilbo is endearing, heartwarming, and uplifting. The movie does a really good job of showing what the dwarves have come to mean to Bilbo.

If nothing else, Smaug's scenes at the beginning of the film left me wondering how anyone could ever kill a dragon. He is a veritable force of nature while assaulting Laketown and I found myself wishing we'd gotten to see quite a bit more of a dragon raging in the skies.

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All in all, I enjoyed the movie a great deal and it was well worth the cost of the ticket. There's certainly things I'd have liked to see done differently, but overall it was a satisfying end to the Hobbit movies.

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Seen it. I wasn't disappointed. And that's about the highest praise I can give this movie.

Except for

Spoiler:
Billy Connolly awesomeness as Dain


Hama wrote:
Except for ** spoiler omitted **

Yes, yes he was.


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The one thing to consistantly irritate me throughout this movie (and I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned it) was comedy Alfred. Yes, ok, I get it, he's greedy and a coward, yet he has equal screen time to Bilbo. I hoped it was all building up to a satisfying death, but no. What a completely useless character.

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