Can you Reskin a Kineticist?


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The Exchange 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Seattle aka jalroy

Am a bit vague if this can be done. What to play a Kineticist, water bender, but strictly use blood instead of water. Blood bending seems legit and intimidating, but it's also reskinning the power. Is this allowed?

5/5

Bad news and good news.

Reskinning is not allowed in PFS. Also, if you don't have a playtest boon, you'll have to wait for the book to come out to play a kineticist.

Now the good news: there are rumors of some actual blood kineticist type stuff in the final book, so when it comes out, if those rumors are true, you might not need to reskin!

The Exchange 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Seattle aka jalroy

Aware I have to wait till July to make said blood bender. Sweet to hear that idea could be played. Thanks

5/5

Oh, cool, so sounds like only good news then!

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Eh, not so much, Mark. Check your office memos. We cut that option to make room for a kitteneticist archetype capable of lobbing small, fluffy animals in order to deal the hitherto unprecedented Cute damage. I'm sure we'll start getting particularly fun mail once we spoil the ability to make barriers of baby penguins as an immediate action to reduce damage from an attack.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Designer

John Compton wrote:
Eh, not so much, Mark. Check your office memos. We cut that option to make room for a kitteneticist archetype capable of lobbing small, fluffy animals in order to deal the hitherto unprecedented Cute damage. I'm sure we'll start getting particularly fun mail once we spoil the ability to make barriers of baby penguins as an immediate action to reduce damage from an attack.

Dagnabbit! This never would have happened back when Owen was in charge of those archetypes.

Next you'll tell me that the medium archetypes were all scrapped for an archetype focused on the Twin that lets the medium develop PFS scenarios twice as fast. Curse you Compton!

Shadow Lodge 5/5

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As long as I can ride on a rolling wave of puppies, I'll be satisfied.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston

Why am I worried one of you is going to create an ability called reskinning for one of these archetypes? It will be worse than traits that are racial, and racial traits.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Mark Seifter wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Eh, not so much, Mark. Check your office memos. We cut that option to make room for a kitteneticist archetype capable of lobbing small, fluffy animals in order to deal the hitherto unprecedented Cute damage. I'm sure we'll start getting particularly fun mail once we spoil the ability to make barriers of baby penguins as an immediate action to reduce damage from an attack.

Dagnabbit! This never would have happened back when Owen was in charge of those archetypes.

Next you'll tell me that the medium archetypes were all scrapped for an archetype focused on the Twin that lets the medium develop PFS scenarios twice as fast. Curse you Compton!

*John excitedly rewrites his medium archetypes*

Paizo Employee 5/5 Designer

David Neilson wrote:
Why am I worried one of you is going to create an ability called reskinning for one of these archetypes? It will be worse than traits that are racial, and racial traits.

Nah, that's for the flesh collector occultist, who collects the skins of creatures that represent each school of magic and wears them instead of using implements. Incidentally, if you play that archetype in 2-16, the archetype says you get a special bonus.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Mark Seifter wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Eh, not so much, Mark. Check your office memos. We cut that option to make room for a kitteneticist archetype capable of lobbing small, fluffy animals in order to deal the hitherto unprecedented Cute damage. I'm sure we'll start getting particularly fun mail once we spoil the ability to make barriers of baby penguins as an immediate action to reduce damage from an attack.

Dagnabbit! This never would have happened back when Owen was in charge of those archetypes.

Next you'll tell me that the medium archetypes were all scrapped for an archetype focused on the Twin that lets the medium develop PFS scenarios twice as fast. Curse you Compton!

Don't blame him, it was Cosmo's fault.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Mark Seifter wrote:
David Neilson wrote:
Why am I worried one of you is going to create an ability called reskinning for one of these archetypes? It will be worse than traits that are racial, and racial traits.
Nah, that's for the flesh collector occultist, who collects the skins of creatures that represent each school of magic and wears them instead of using implements.

He also has an ability called Additional Resources, which allows him to spontaneously create extra implements on the fly. That wouldn't be too handy without the Play, Play, Play ability, which grants him a small pool of points to invest in these implements even if it would break the rules to do so.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston

Works best when paired with a metacist, I am sure.

5/5 Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

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This thread is so full of win.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Designer

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John Compton wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
David Neilson wrote:
Why am I worried one of you is going to create an ability called reskinning for one of these archetypes? It will be worse than traits that are racial, and racial traits.
Nah, that's for the flesh collector occultist, who collects the skins of creatures that represent each school of magic and wears them instead of using implements.
He also has an ability called Additional Resources, which allows him to spontaneously create extra implements on the fly. That wouldn't be too handy without the Play, Play, Play ability, which grants him a small pool of points to invest in these implements even if it would break the rules to do so.

I left those out because they require a table implement of the appropriate size, shape, and composition, so in PFS, they would definitely be subject to table variation.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

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That's almost as bad as a stage magician arcanist who casts with charisma and instead of having an Arcane Reservoir gets Prestige Points to use on their finales.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Mark Seifter wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
David Neilson wrote:
Why am I worried one of you is going to create an ability called reskinning for one of these archetypes? It will be worse than traits that are racial, and racial traits.
Nah, that's for the flesh collector occultist, who collects the skins of creatures that represent each school of magic and wears them instead of using implements.
He also has an ability called Additional Resources, which allows him to spontaneously create extra implements on the fly. That wouldn't be too handy without the Play, Play, Play ability, which grants him a small pool of points to invest in these implements even if it would break the rules to do so.
I left those out because they require a table implement of the appropriate size, shape, and composition, so in PFS, they would definitely be subject to table variation.

Oh no! Parallel development! Table Variation now refers to a feat in the Catch Off-Guard chain in an upcoming Player Companion that allows one to wield multiple tables at once and use them to deal different types of damage.

Of course, the feat is worded ambiguously and could be read in about three different ways. I predict this feat will be subject to a consider amount of…well…yeah.

Dark Archive Software Developer

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Beware the piercing table.

5/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston

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The coffee table is balanced well enough, but the bonus you get for every book you put on it is absurd. Also the time table is ridiculous, and easily confused with the times table.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

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Zak Glade wrote:
As long as I can ride on a rolling wave of puppies, I'll be satisfied.

Yes, this is what I want to see. Can they all be dalmations?

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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Nefreet wrote:

This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Good idea…

Mark, go get me a drink.

*John is not going to receive a drink*

5/5

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I don't recommend reskinning a kineticist, or anything else for that matter... If they have been skinned once, leave the poor sot alone.


wait guys i dont get it

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

John Compton wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Good idea…

Mark, go get me a drink.

*John is not going to receive a drink*

Wait... This must be the reason that Paizo lost power last night... the battle of wills between John and Mark was so strong that the grid couldn't handle the surges!

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
ToshiroKurita wrote:
I don't recommend reskinning a kineticist, or anything else for that matter... If they have been skinned once, leave the poor sot alone.

Rubbing salt on the wounds however is perfectly admissable.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

There is no kill like overkill!

Wait, there is no such thing as overkill. There is only "Open Fire!" and "Reload!"

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber
Silbeg wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Good idea…

Mark, go get me a drink.

*John is not going to receive a drink*

Wait... This must be the reason that Paizo lost power last night... the battle of wills between John and Mark was so strong that the grid couldn't handle the surges!

We're getting their wrath in Northern California right now.

I hear it's moving farther south tonight.

*glances at the blown over fence outside his window*

5/5 Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston

Okay so how do you explain the snow in Boston?

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

David Neilson wrote:
Okay so how do you explain the snow in Boston?

The each snowflake is a tear of relief that Boston is spared from this clash.

Gee Mark, joking about kineticists and PFS rules apparently causes brutal weather events. Ideas for a hydrokineticist?

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

Silbeg wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Good idea…

Mark, go get me a drink.

*John is not going to receive a drink*

Wait... This must be the reason that Paizo lost power last night... the battle of wills between John and Mark was so strong that the grid couldn't handle the surges!

At that time we were in a meeting together bouncing ideas off one another, so perhaps it is less conflict that begets terrible weather than it is collaboration.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Designer

John Compton wrote:
Silbeg wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Good idea…

Mark, go get me a drink.

*John is not going to receive a drink*

Wait... This must be the reason that Paizo lost power last night... the battle of wills between John and Mark was so strong that the grid couldn't handle the surges!
At that time we were in a meeting together bouncing ideas off one another, so perhaps it is less conflict that begets terrible weather than it is collaboration.

When you put Erik Mona, Mike Brock, and the two of us in a room with nothing better to do than come up with new and exciting ways to both thrill and annihilate those pesky Pathfinders, it's the perfect storm. And that storm is coming for you all in Season 7, Pathfinders. Mwahahahahaha!

Paizo Employee 5/5 Designer

John Compton wrote:
David Neilson wrote:
Okay so how do you explain the snow in Boston?

The each snowflake is a tear of relief that Boston is spared from this clash.

Gee Mark, joking about kineticists and PFS rules apparently causes brutal weather events. Ideas for a hydrokineticist?

Look John, it took everything I had to make sure we only got attacked by an aerokineticist, and Boston by a hydrokineticist. Have you any idea what could have happened to us here if the pyrokineticists and geokineticists got their turn?

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta aka The Masked Ferret

Well, at least there was no buboursakineticists mentioned to cause issues

Grand Lodge 3/5

Mark Seifter wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Silbeg wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

This thread would be even more hilarious if John and Mark shared an office.

Like during LAN parties, how everyone texts the guy closest to the kitchen to get the rest of them drinks.

Good idea…

Mark, go get me a drink.

*John is not going to receive a drink*

Wait... This must be the reason that Paizo lost power last night... the battle of wills between John and Mark was so strong that the grid couldn't handle the surges!
At that time we were in a meeting together bouncing ideas off one another, so perhaps it is less conflict that begets terrible weather than it is collaboration.
When you put Erik Mona, Mike Brock, and the two of us in a room with nothing better to do than come up with new and exciting ways to both thrill and annihilate those pesky Pathfinders, it's the perfect storm. And that storm is coming for you all in Season 7, Pathfinders. Mwahahahahaha!

I guess I'll have to make sure to be able to take more hits then! Or maybe tie meself to one of you fine gentlemen! BWAHAHAHA!

Dark Archive

I'm guessing that your discussion is only the superficial cause of the weather, and that the real cause of the rain was Jason Bulmahn's tears over the terrible discussions taking place. Or were they Chris Lambertz's over the violent backlash that your ideas will receive from the message board community?

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Silbeg wrote:

There is no kill like overkill!

Wait, there is no such thing as overkill. There is only "Open Fire!" and "Reload!"

Isn't overkill what you do when a commoner gets lippy?

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Andrew Christian wrote:
Silbeg wrote:

There is no kill like overkill!

Wait, there is no such thing as overkill. There is only "Open Fire!" and "Reload!"

Isn't overkill what you do when a commoner gets lippy?

No, overkill is what happens to the commoner when he forgets to feed his cat...

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