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TNG is the best hands down. Voyager hurt my mind. DS9 was too political for my taste. I am one of those rare people who LOVED Enterprise.
It must burn haters that it's still considered canon in the JJ-reboot.
TOS I tried to watch too old and couldn't stomach the crappy effects, although I watched the best episodes, like the one where Kirk kissed Uhura.


Some DS9 episodes were pretty cringe-worthy I admit (the episodes that came out around Martin Luther King day in season 1 or 2 being the biggest offenders) but IMO it was the most consistently good of all the series', followed by TNG.


Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
DS9 is where Star Trek fandom goes to die.

I thought it was after Enterprise was poorly received that producers thought Star Trek was dead? They even sold all the props and sets off.


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Bladesinger wrote:
I was actually less worried about the crossguard than how "unrefined" the blade looked. It looked like it was using an unstable crystal or something.

My guess is, since the Sith are supposedly extinct at the end of Episode VI, that this new lightsaber was constructed by some self-trained dark jedi wannabe in his mom's basement or something, like a neo-Nazi trying to equip himself in Third Reich gear. Maybe all he could get was a substandard crystal from the local pawn shop?


Aranna wrote:
Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
DS9 is where Star Trek fandom goes to die.

I thought it was after Enterprise was poorly received that producers thought Star Trek was dead? They even sold all the props and sets off.

Nah, Berman and Braga killed Star Trek with Voyager. It got resurrected in season 4 of Enterprise for a time, until they put the last nail in the coffin with its last episode (which was just a big f*** you to the fans).

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yellowdingo wrote:

But I love conversations...

Who would have watched the two hour interrogation of princess leia by darth vader and a certain floating black ball interrogation droid with pointy needle?

I love Dr. Ball, M.D.!


Hmm,

I liked the new movies as well...well the first one at least. The second one I enjoy if I silence my questioning mind.

As far as ST series...my favs probably go

TNG > TOS > VOY > DS9 > TAS > ENT

I think before the Dominion War, DS9 was perhaps the most boring of the series to me. If it had ended at season 4 (like Enterprise did) it would probably be the worst of the list for me. That's an interesting though though, ENT was starting to get better during the third and fourth seasons...who knows, perhaps it would have turned out as well as DS9 if it had continued for the full 7.

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
DS9 is where Star Trek fandom goes to die.

haha my hardcore trek fans hated the fact I loved DS9. They cheered for voyager which felt like a dozen steps backwards. All trek series have been the galaxy through the federations eyes. Finally, we got to see how the galaxy sees the federation. So there is some truth to what you're sayin.

I tried ENT but as much as I love Bakula he wasnt a great captain. Writing might have had a lot to do with it. Also, that corny ass southern boy engineer made the show unwatchable.


Hama wrote:

I am one of those rare people who LOVED Enterprise.

It must burn haters that it's still considered canon in the JJ-reboot.
TOS I tried to watch too old and couldn't stomach the crappy effects, although I watched the best episodes, like the one where Kirk kissed Uhura.

I thought Enterprise was dismissed as canon by itself, declaring that the whole thing was a holonovel. That series managed to anger the hardcore fans so much that unrelated science fiction got killed over it. (Threats of outright refusal to watch anything featuring those producers - sight unseen - by a large number of Trek fans)

But you picked an important TOS episode to highlight, Network TV's first interracial kiss IIRC. And the story behind that one is pretty funny. NBC was going to force them to film with and without the kiss and decide at airtime (meaning with 100% certainty without). Therefore, Shatner purposely messed up every single without the kiss attempt.


GreyWolfLord wrote:
I think before the Dominion War, DS9 was perhaps the most boring of the series to me. If it had ended at season 4 (like Enterprise did) it would probably be the worst of the list for me. That's an interesting though though, ENT was starting to get better during the third and fourth seasons...who knows, perhaps it would have turned out as well as DS9 if it had continued for the full 7.

I tend to agree. DS9 was boring to me until the Dominion War, and once Enterprise started to get away from the Time War and that weird planet of the multiple-anthropoid-species-of-uninspired-nomenclature storyline (and that last might have been part of the Time War? I forget), it got really good. They started moving more in the direction of classic Trek stories, and it improved vastly. Plus, their Andorians were the best in the series thus far.

I never warmed to Voyager at all, though. The storyline was very much a missed opportunity all around to me, and the actors and writing less than inspiring.


The subject prevalence of the last fairly large number of posts hints that the multiverse has worse things than lightsabers of flawed design . . . .


To Op:

I guess I could see it working if the style of use was more deliberate and direct, instead of the usual lightsaber twirly-ness. As for defending with it; I think it would involve moving your blade to the side quickly and suddenly to block with one of the side spurs, while continuing the movement with your body and making the central, longer blade into a downward chop.

Sort of a catch, sidestep draw, execution chop sort of defense.

It definately should not be a highly twirly style as a base, but could include some close proximity 'punch' motions, since the opponent might be focused on the main blade.

Come to think of it, the presence of the two additional spurs might also be enough to distract someone from your main blade, since now they need to keep account of three lasers.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:
I think before the Dominion War, DS9 was perhaps the most boring of the series to me. If it had ended at season 4 (like Enterprise did) it would probably be the worst of the list for me. That's an interesting though though, ENT was starting to get better during the third and fourth seasons...who knows, perhaps it would have turned out as well as DS9 if it had continued for the full 7.

I tend to agree. DS9 was boring to me until the Dominion War, and once Enterprise started to get away from the Time War and that weird planet of the multiple-anthropoid-species-of-uninspired-nomenclature storyline (and that last might have been part of the Time War? I forget), it got really good. They started moving more in the direction of classic Trek stories, and it improved vastly. Plus, their Andorians were the best in the series thus far.

I never warmed to Voyager at all, though. The storyline was very much a missed opportunity all around to me, and the actors and writing less than inspiring.

Scorpion was scary as hell. A dozen Borg cubes blow past voyager like it was nothing, and we find Borg body part harvesting aliens pouring into the trek universe. There was something friking unnerving about that that disapointed me to no end when they made it all aliens with a story. I would have loved to have watched borgspace implode into an expanding alien horror.

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Agree, Voyager has some great points, especially after they got away from the Kazon and Seska. Year of Hell was pretty awesome, as was Scorpion.


Imbicatus wrote:
Agree, Voyager has some great points, especially after they got away from the Kazon and Seska. Year of Hell was pretty awesome, as was Scorpion.

And then they went and made the Borg push-overs.


Imbicatus wrote:
Agree, Voyager has some great points, especially after they got away from the Kazon and Seska. Year of Hell was pretty awesome, as was Scorpion.

Loved year of hell.

Tuvnix (or whatever that episode was called) was hard to watch for all the right reasons.


I loved Voyager in spite of some really bad episodes.
What made Voyager better for the most part than Enterprise was the fact that the bad parts were short in length and could be forgotten... mostly. Whereas in Enterprise the worst bad part was the central plot line of the whole show revolving around a stupid time war. That and Voyager was far easier to watch with new episodes airing twice in the week in case you missed recording it. While I could only see Enterprise one time during the week on a station that frequently interrupted it. Meaning I didn't actually see all of it till years later on DVD.

If you stripped out the "time war" and restructured the shows seasons it would have been awesome... even despite the canon violations.


How did this thread turn into a Trekkie convention?
Ugh.


Albatoonoe wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:
Aranna wrote:

~raises a glass~

A toast to JJ Abrams and what could be the best Star Wars in a long while.

Considering the mutilation of Star Trek for which he's responsible, you're quite the optimist.

Hope it works out for you Warsies, but ... I don't think it will.

In that case, I would have you compare the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy vs. the new Star Trek. TELL ME STAR TREK IS AS BAD AS THAT. I DARE YOU.

Oh, good lord. Into Darkness was easily as bad.

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Because I defended the JJ Trek as a Trek fan, and it spiraled from there.

It's a more interesting conversation than lightsaber nerdrage at any rate. :)

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Arnwyn wrote:
Albatoonoe wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:
Aranna wrote:

~raises a glass~

A toast to JJ Abrams and what could be the best Star Wars in a long while.

Considering the mutilation of Star Trek for which he's responsible, you're quite the optimist.

Hope it works out for you Warsies, but ... I don't think it will.

In that case, I would have you compare the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy vs. the new Star Trek. TELL ME STAR TREK IS AS BAD AS THAT. I DARE YOU.
Oh, good lord. Into Darkness was easily as bad.

Nope. Jar-Jar, midichlorians, and the terrible acting of Hayden Christensen is far worse than Into Darkness.

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
DS9 is where Star Trek fandom goes to die.

Maybe to you, but Sisko is still my favorite of the Captains. And DS9 had the better storylines compared to most of the others.


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Imbicatus wrote:

Because I defended the JJ Trek as a Trek fan, and it spiraled from there.

It's a more interesting conversation than lightsaber nerdrage at any rate. :)

Maybe someone should start a Star Trek thread.


Imbicatus wrote:
Agree, Voyager has some great points, especially after they got away from the Kazon and Seska. Year of Hell was pretty awesome, as was Scorpion.

Year of Hell was a great episode (ETA: Well, two-parter), but I think they should have gone full bore and made it its own season. Though I can understand them shying away from that as they already had DS9 as the "darker" Trek show at the time.


Aaron Bitman wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:

Because I defended the JJ Trek as a Trek fan, and it spiraled from there.

It's a more interesting conversation than lightsaber nerdrage at any rate. :)

Maybe someone should start a Star Trek thread.

Heh. I am amused by people bringing science into a discussion about Star Wars, personally. In a world where ghosts talk, certain people can do the impossible by waving their hands, space fighters maneuver like they are in the atmosphere, a sword is better than a gun, and dozens of other such things, what sets people off is a crossguard on a sword made out of light?

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Imbicatus wrote:
It's a more interesting conversation than lightsaber nerdrage at any rate. :)

THIS


Imbicatus wrote:
Arnwyn wrote:
Albatoonoe wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:
Aranna wrote:

~raises a glass~

A toast to JJ Abrams and what could be the best Star Wars in a long while.

Considering the mutilation of Star Trek for which he's responsible, you're quite the optimist.

Hope it works out for you Warsies, but ... I don't think it will.

In that case, I would have you compare the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy vs. the new Star Trek. TELL ME STAR TREK IS AS BAD AS THAT. I DARE YOU.
Oh, good lord. Into Darkness was easily as bad.

Nope. Jar-Jar, midichlorians, and the terrible acting of Hayden Christensen is far worse than Into Darkness.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:

How did this thread turn into a Trekkie convention?

Ugh.

{quietly sits on sidelines waving Babylon 5 flag and Farscape giant foam finger}

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

How did this thread turn into a Trekkie convention?

Ugh.
{quietly sits on sidelines waving Babylon 5 flag and Farscape giant foam finger}

Those are nice too. I also am wearing a Browncoat over my SG1 fatigues.

I really like the final seasons of SG1 that is basically Farscape 2.0.


Much as I love my man Browder, the final seasons of Stargate SG-1 were nowhere near as good as the earlier seasons, and neither achieved the awesomeness of Farscape. Farscape is by far my favorite Sci-Fi series of all time.

I still watch re-runs on the weekends on Pivot sometimes. Holds up very well.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

How did this thread turn into a Trekkie convention?

Ugh.
{quietly sits on sidelines waving Babylon 5 flag and Farscape giant foam finger}

the thing is, I can TOTALLY see you doing this in the middle of some epic nerd throwdown.

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I like to pretend Babylon 5 only had 3 seasons. One and Five are pretty awful, and season one episode two is the worst single episode of a sci-fi series I have ever seen. It was so bad I almost never watched another B5 episode, which would have been a shame because the Shadow War was fantastic.

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Rynjin wrote:

Much as I love my man Browder, the final seasons of Stargate SG-1 were nowhere near as good as the earlier seasons, and neither achieved the awesomeness of Farscape. Farscape is by far my favorite Sci-Fi series of all time.

I still watch re-runs on the weekends on Pivot sometimes. Holds up very well.

Really? It bored me to tears whenever I tried watching it.


Everything is Star Trek

Often I am reading these updates on my ...

Communicator!


I too found b5 and Stargate to be incredibly boring. But hey, they aren't Firefly, so they're all good by me.


Freehold DM wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
{quietly sits on sidelines waving Babylon 5 flag and Farscape giant foam finger}
the thing is, I can TOTALLY see you doing this in the middle of some epic nerd throwdown.

I did enjoy DS9, especially pre-Worf Dax and pre-Odo Kira, but it really didn't start to figure out how to do war and politics until B5 was already getting good. And for all the ups-and-downs of the plots, none of them--Trek, Wars, or B5--have yet reached the excellence of Farscape's characters and their development.

Imbicatus wrote:
I like to pretend Babylon 5 only had 3 seasons. One and Five are pretty awful, and season one episode two is the worst single episode of a sci-fi series I have ever seen. It was so bad I almost never watched another B5 episode, which would have been a shame because the Shadow War was fantastic.

I dunno. Season One is a bit of a slog, but it lays down a lot of necessary foundation for the great plotting to follow.

I'm confused though... there was no Season Five though. I heard rumors of tentative planning for a fifth season (and of spin-offs involving the Rangers or somekind of Drak plague) but nothing ever came of those. Nope. Nada. Zilch.


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Hama wrote:
Rynjin wrote:

Much as I love my man Browder, the final seasons of Stargate SG-1 were nowhere near as good as the earlier seasons, and neither achieved the awesomeness of Farscape. Farscape is by far my favorite Sci-Fi series of all time.

I still watch re-runs on the weekends on Pivot sometimes. Holds up very well.

Really? It bored me to tears whenever I tried watching it.

Them's fightin' words, pard.

Granted the first half of season 1 is a bit slow, but from at least Nerve on it's great, and before that it certainly wasn't "boring".


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:


I'm confused though... there was no Season Five though. I heard rumors of tentative planning for a fifth season (and of spin-offs involving the Rangers or somekind of Drak plague) but nothing ever came of those. Nope. Nada. Zilch.

a good friend of mine in high school was a b5 fanatic, he kept going on and on about this potential b5 ranger movie that was "being made".


Sadly much to the utter dismay of the Fivers, Scapers, Browncoats, and Gaters those universes have ended. They only live on in reruns. While Star Trek and Star Wars are continuing settings with fresh new opportunities to be awed or enraged depending on the situation. Lets face it when a Federation Dreadnought faces off with an Imperial Star Destroyer in orbit they will be doing so over the lifeless ruins of Babylon 5, an old star gate, a crashed hulk of a Peacekeeper carrier, and some Reaver and Alliance wrecks.

Long Live Warsies! Long Live Trekers!


PS: I actually liked all those shows... but not as much as Star Trek or Star Wars.


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Some might say (some of) those shows ended before they had the chance to taint what had come before it with declines in quality.

That said there's a Farscape movie in the works involving something with Crichton's son so we'll see if I eat those words.

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Hey, didn't say it was bad, just personally boring.


~idly wonders what a cross universe movie would look like~
Two directors Joss Whedon and JJ Abrams team up for the ultimate show down as two universes collide; Star Trek and Star Wars together at last!

OK Whedon hasn't directed either but I think those two would make a great movie team up of directors.


Freehold DM wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:


I'm confused though... there was no Season Five though. I heard rumors of tentative planning for a fifth season (and of spin-offs involving the Rangers or somekind of Drak plague) but nothing ever came of those. Nope. Nada. Zilch.
a good friend of mine in high school was a b5 fanatic, he kept going on and on about this potential b5 ranger movie that was "being made".

A ranger movie was made and was supposed to lead into a new series, but nothing ever came of it.


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Rynjin wrote:

Some might say (some of) those shows ended before they had the chance to taint what had come before it with declines in quality.

That said there's a Farscape movie in the works involving something with Crichton's son so we'll see if I eat those words.

Well, almost.

They DID have SG:U which was really really really boring, and though it picked up during the second half of season 1, it still was very very very boring.

They took a dramatic situation that would take around 5-15 minutes and dragged it out for the full show. At least it wasn't like the first part of season one where they took 5 minutes of drama and stretched it out over 3 shows.

I have never seen B5, but did ask for it for Christmas so we'll see.


Aranna wrote:
~idly wonders what a cross universe movie would look like~

Kirk gets it on with JarJar.


GregH wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:


I'm confused though... there was no Season Five though. I heard rumors of tentative planning for a fifth season (and of spin-offs involving the Rangers or somekind of Drak plague) but nothing ever came of those. Nope. Nada. Zilch.
a good friend of mine in high school was a b5 fanatic, he kept going on and on about this potential b5 ranger movie that was "being made".

A ranger movie was made and was supposed to lead into a new series, but nothing ever came of it.

Wha-?! I'll just click- {receives jolt of chemicals from Shadow Keeper implant}

{monotone:} There was no Ranger movie... just a rumor... {drools}


Rynjin wrote:
...That said there's a Farscape movie in the works involving something with Crichton's son...

Yes. I beg you. Please. Pretty please. With a cherry on top. [/Harvey]


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
GregH wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:


I'm confused though... there was no Season Five though. I heard rumors of tentative planning for a fifth season (and of spin-offs involving the Rangers or somekind of Drak plague) but nothing ever came of those. Nope. Nada. Zilch.
a good friend of mine in high school was a b5 fanatic, he kept going on and on about this potential b5 ranger movie that was "being made".

A ranger movie was made and was supposed to lead into a new series, but nothing ever came of it.

Wha-?! I'll just click- {receives jolt of chemicals from Shadow Keeper implant}

{monotone:} There was no Ranger movie... just a rumor... {drools}

Well there are these

Legend of the Rangers

I've heard it isn't all that great, but I did have it included on my Christmas request.

And then there's this, but not the same thing,

Crusade

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Star Wars operates on the rule of cool. It always has. (look at the physics of dogfighting starfighters for example)

Whatever problems a light-crossguard might have, and however negligible its benefits might be, it still looks cool. That's all it takes in Star Wars to "work".

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